Zambrano injured?

[Little Slide Rooter]

Sure looks like it. Zambrano may know it, Lou may know it, Rothschild may know it, Mark O'Neil may know it, but none of them will admit it.

 

Is it just a coincidence that after 2 outings shortened by "minor heat related cramping" he has 2 of his worst outings of the season?

 

Zambrano will never admit it, unlike some other nameless Cubs that will hit the DL with a hang nail, but if it is something, he wont say anything until it becomes major.

[Roast]

Sure looks like it. Zambrano may know it, Lou may know it, Rothschild may know it, Mark O'Neil may know it, but none of them will admit it.

 

Is it just a coincidence that after 2 outings shortened by "minor heat related cramping" he has 2 of his worst outings of the season?

 

Zambrano will never admit it, unlike some other nameless Cubs that will hit the DL with a hang nail, but if it is something, he wont say anything until it becomes major.

 

Yeah, or it might have something to do that he dehydrates really quickly and the last two games he's pitched in it has been REALLY super friggin hot outside.

 

 

Hence, heat cramping.

[jaydee]

He just doesn't have the mental capability to be consistent in the MLB.

[Roast]

He just doesn't have the mental capability to be consistent in the MLB.

 

That's just ignorant.

 

2003: 214.0 IP 136 ERA+

2004: 209.7 IP 165 ERA+

2005: 223.3 IP 131 ERA+

2006: 214.0 IP 136 ERA+

2007: 168.0 IP 116 ERA+

 

 

He's consistently pitched 200+ innings per year, put up an era+ in the 130's (with the exception of a down year this year, which is balanced out by his spectacular 04)

[FloridaCubbie]

so it's time for these threads again?

I'm just happy/mad (I'm really not sure which and the yuengling isn't helping) the Cubs were good enough to get me to football season this year.

Edited August 16, 2007 by FloridaCubbie

[jaydee]

He just doesn't have the mental capability to be consistent in the MLB.

 

That's just ignorant.

 

2003: 214.0 IP 136 ERA+

2004: 209.7 IP 165 ERA+

2005: 223.3 IP 131 ERA+

2006: 214.0 IP 136 ERA+

2007: 168.0 IP 116 ERA+

 

 

He's consistently pitched 200+ innings per year, put up an era+ in the 130's (with the exception of a down year this year, which is balanced out by his spectacular 04)

 

i was talking about game to game, which should have been obvious by the context of this thread

[rynefan]

He's always on the brink of a meltdown. Gets kinda old.

[Guest]

If Carlos Zambrano has a fatigued right arm, it's news to the Cubs.

 

Zambrano was unable to get his 15th win on Tuesday night against the Cincinnati Reds, his third try at that mark, and pitching coach Larry Rothschild said the right-hander has not complained of any problems with his arm or shoulder.

 

"He's done his sides and done everything without any problems," Rothschild said. "He's had a couple bad starts but stuff-wise, I thought his stuff was OK [on Tuesday]. I don't know if [fatigue] is the issue, but if it is, he's hiding it."

 

"The velocity last night was similar to what you've seen," Rothschild said. "He's pitched a lot of innings, and you're going to go through some ups and downs. If it's fatigue, I don't know if anybody can answer that or if anyone people can speculate about it. From my point of view, I know what I've seen. He hasn't been in the trainer's room more than he has been in the past."

 

Rothschild was encouraged that Zambrano used his legs well during his outing, and added that someone who isn't feeling right usually doesn't do that.

 

"He just happened to get some balls up," Rothschild said.

 

Cubs.com

[KyHen]

Injured or not he will destroy St. Louis in the upcoming series.

 

I cannot remember for the life of me one bad start he's made against the Cards.

[Banedon]

Didn't everyone think Z was injured at the beginning of the season when he was stuggling? And then he "started his season over" and won a ton of games and was practically unhittable...and then now that he's struggling again, we think he's injured? Are we supposed to think this anytime that he's slumping?

[Ender]

Zambrano has never put up more than two dominant months in a row in his entire career. He's just a very inconsistent pitcher. When he's on he is probably the best pitcher in baseball so it makes up for it.

[Cynosure]

Should I raise a big fuss about the thread title like people did to mine about Lee?

 

Just because he's under performing doesn't mean he's injured.

 

It should be changed to: Zambrano's Productivity...

 

OMG MISLEADING THREAD TITLE

[Electron Blue]

Should I raise a big fuss about the thread title like people did to mine about Lee?

 

Just because he's under performing doesn't mean he's injured.

 

It should be changed to: Zambrano's Productivity...

 

OMG MISLEADING THREAD TITLE

 

what a strange post...

[Derwood]

Can I start a thread speculating Ted Lilly is injured now too since he had one bad start?

[Soul]

He just doesn't have the mental capability to be consistent in the MLB.

 

That's just ignorant.

 

2003: 214.0 IP 136 ERA+

2004: 209.7 IP 165 ERA+

2005: 223.3 IP 131 ERA+

2006: 214.0 IP 136 ERA+

2007: 168.0 IP 116 ERA+

 

 

He's consistently pitched 200+ innings per year, put up an era+ in the 130's (with the exception of a down year this year, which is balanced out by his spectacular 04)

 

That statement makes no sense. How can a player's performance 3 years ago make up for current struggles? '04 is lost & gone forever, who cares what happened back then?

[TruffleShuffle]

wuertz was injured last night too... and howry. Hell Eyre has been injured all year

[Electron Blue]

He just doesn't have the mental capability to be consistent in the MLB.

 

That's just ignorant.

 

2003: 214.0 IP 136 ERA+

2004: 209.7 IP 165 ERA+

2005: 223.3 IP 131 ERA+

2006: 214.0 IP 136 ERA+

2007: 168.0 IP 116 ERA+

 

 

He's consistently pitched 200+ innings per year, put up an era+ in the 130's (with the exception of a down year this year, which is balanced out by his spectacular 04)

 

That statement makes no sense. How can a player's performance 3 years ago make up for current struggles? '04 is lost & gone forever, who cares what happened back then?

 

He's been very good every year of his career, with the exception of this year when he's been pretty good (based on OPS+). You seem to think that he lost his mental capacity to be consistent in the MLB this last offseason... '04 matters as much as '03, '05, an '06 because it shows he does have this mental capacity. That said, equating "mental capacity" with consistency needed to play in this league is silly, IMO.

[YearofDaCubs]

Some people listen to Steve Stone too much.. He says one thing and people jump on the bandwagon.

[Soul]

He just doesn't have the mental capability to be consistent in the MLB.

 

That's just ignorant.

 

2003: 214.0 IP 136 ERA+

2004: 209.7 IP 165 ERA+

2005: 223.3 IP 131 ERA+

2006: 214.0 IP 136 ERA+

2007: 168.0 IP 116 ERA+

 

 

He's consistently pitched 200+ innings per year, put up an era+ in the 130's (with the exception of a down year this year, which is balanced out by his spectacular 04)

 

That statement makes no sense. How can a player's performance 3 years ago make up for current struggles? '04 is lost & gone forever, who cares what happened back then?

 

He's been very good every year of his career, with the exception of this year when he's been pretty good (based on OPS+). You seem to think that he lost his mental capacity to be consistent in the MLB this last offseason... '04 matters as much as '03, '05, an '06 because it shows he does have this mental capacity. That said, equating "mental capacity" with consistency needed to play in this league is silly, IMO.

 

Yeah, I don't know if I would use the words "mental capacity" exactly. I would more just say there is something about Z that prevents him from becoming one of the very top pitchers in the league, and I'm not sure exactly what it is. Certainly the talent is there, and on any given night he can pitch as well as any top pitcher.

[Brendan]

he just needs to hustle more

[kente777]

Injured or not he will destroy St. Louis in the upcoming series.

 

I cannot remember for the life of me one bad start he's made against the Cards.

 

Can I ask a question? Why does that matter?

 

Every year is different: new roster, new situation, etc. etc. Why does past history (success or failure) mean that the same thing will happen in the present (or even likely to happen)?

 

Why the Cubs have played the Cardinals well the past few years or why Z has pitched well against them doesn't mean the Cubs will win the series or Z will win the game.

 

Guess I never understood that logic.

 

Ken

[CubColtPacer]

Injured or not he will destroy St. Louis in the upcoming series.

 

I cannot remember for the life of me one bad start he's made against the Cards.

 

Can I ask a question? Why does that matter?

 

Every year is different: new roster, new situation, etc. etc. Why does past history (success or failure) mean that the same thing will happen in the present (or even likely to happen)?

 

Why the Cubs have played the Cardinals well the past few years or why Z has pitched well against them doesn't mean the Cubs will win the series or Z will win the game.

 

Guess I never understood that logic.

 

Ken

 

Well, there is a small factor for ballpark (although most of the time there are so many other factors that success at a ballpark is mostly white noise, although it's much easier to pick out for pitchers than for hitters).

 

For a team like the Cardinals though, their 3 main hitters have mostly stayed the same over the last few years (Pujols, Rolen, Edmonds). Here is Z against each of them:

 

Pujols: 44 AB's, .205/.294/.455

Rolen: 44 AB's, .182/.234/.386

Edmonds: 38 AB's, .211/.375/.395

 

I'm not sure you can find another pitcher out there that can boast of those numbers against those 3 combined. Z has always done well against the Cardinals because he has consistently shut down the middle of their order.

 

In fact, the Cardinals are in deep trouble according to the matchups. Encarnacion is 2 of 19 against Z. Eckstein is 3 of 19. Molina is 4 of 18 (with 1 HR). Duncan is 3 of 12, all singles. They have a couple of hitters that have been decent against Z, but for the most part Z has owned the Cardinals from top to bottom.

 

BTW, the Cardinals hitters as a whole are hitting .208/.286/.331 against Z. The chances are pretty good that he'll have a nice bounce back start this weekend.

[Electron Blue]

He just doesn't have the mental capability to be consistent in the MLB.

 

That's just ignorant.

 

2003: 214.0 IP 136 ERA+

2004: 209.7 IP 165 ERA+

2005: 223.3 IP 131 ERA+

2006: 214.0 IP 136 ERA+

2007: 168.0 IP 116 ERA+

 

 

He's consistently pitched 200+ innings per year, put up an era+ in the 130's (with the exception of a down year this year, which is balanced out by his spectacular 04)

 

That statement makes no sense. How can a player's performance 3 years ago make up for current struggles? '04 is lost & gone forever, who cares what happened back then?

 

He's been very good every year of his career, with the exception of this year when he's been pretty good (based on OPS+). You seem to think that he lost his mental capacity to be consistent in the MLB this last offseason... '04 matters as much as '03, '05, an '06 because it shows he does have this mental capacity. That said, equating "mental capacity" with consistency needed to play in this league is silly, IMO.

 

Yeah, I don't know if I would use the words "mental capacity" exactly. I would more just say there is something about Z that prevents him from becoming one of the very top pitchers in the league, and I'm not sure exactly what it is. Certainly the talent is there, and on any given night he can pitch as well as any top pitcher.

 

i dunno. that's impossibly hard to quantify -- his potential to be truly premier. More importantly, I'm not sure it matters. Look at those ERA+ (lol, i called it OPS+ in my last post :oops:) numbers, look at his raw stats -- he's very good and he's on our team. Let's embrace that for as long we have him. Maybe we consider this "potential" thing later on, if he demands Premier Pitcher money... but that's another topic for another time :)

[Soul]

He just doesn't have the mental capability to be consistent in the MLB.

 

That's just ignorant.

 

2003: 214.0 IP 136 ERA+

2004: 209.7 IP 165 ERA+

2005: 223.3 IP 131 ERA+

2006: 214.0 IP 136 ERA+

2007: 168.0 IP 116 ERA+

 

 

He's consistently pitched 200+ innings per year, put up an era+ in the 130's (with the exception of a down year this year, which is balanced out by his spectacular 04)

 

That statement makes no sense. How can a player's performance 3 years ago make up for current struggles? '04 is lost & gone forever, who cares what happened back then?

 

He's been very good every year of his career, with the exception of this year when he's been pretty good (based on OPS+). You seem to think that he lost his mental capacity to be consistent in the MLB this last offseason... '04 matters as much as '03, '05, an '06 because it shows he does have this mental capacity. That said, equating "mental capacity" with consistency needed to play in this league is silly, IMO.

 

Yeah, I don't know if I would use the words "mental capacity" exactly. I would more just say there is something about Z that prevents him from becoming one of the very top pitchers in the league, and I'm not sure exactly what it is. Certainly the talent is there, and on any given night he can pitch as well as any top pitcher.

 

i dunno. that's impossibly hard to quantify -- his potential to be truly premier. More importantly, I'm not sure it matters. Look at those ERA+ (lol, i called it OPS+ in my last post :oops:) numbers, look at his raw stats -- he's very good and he's on our team. Let's embrace that for as long we have him. Maybe we consider this "potential" thing later on, if he demands Premier Pitcher money... but that's another topic for another time :)

 

If things drag out with the Cubs sale, we could be looking at the last days with Z as a Cub :cry:

 

Yes, I think it's wise to enjoy Z as much as possible. Hopefully he can get it back on track and pitch better as we head into the stretch.

[ConstableRabbit]

Some people listen to Steve Stone too much.. He says one thing and people jump on the bandwagon.

 

How dare you question Steve Stone!

 

Hold on a second, Stone's saying Zambrano is going to throw a slider away here...