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[Well then, please explain to me how a career .306 OBP isn't terrible. Aside from his inordinately high RBI total (poor measure of a hitter's worth) and decent amount of HR's, what exactly was Joe Carter good at?

 

Someone who 'lets the stats speak for themselves' probably has no idea what they're talking about.

 

Let's re-focus to the point of this convo:

 

The guy hit nearly 400 HRs. While this does not mean he was good, it does mean he was not terrible.

 

Why are you having so much trouble understanding this?

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Come on guys. Arguing over who's more blind is pretty silly.

 

Near as I can tell he took the first shot. I am mearly responding.

 

But he hit me first!!

 

Don't make me seperate you two.

RynoRules Knoxville Smokies

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Come on guys. Arguing over who's more blind is pretty silly.

 

Near as I can tell he took the first shot. I am mearly responding.

 

But he hit me first!!

 

Don't make me seperate you two.

 

OK, mom, I won't.

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You can't touch Marshall/Marmol at this point unless you're getting parts back to immediately replace them.
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[Well then, please explain to me how a career .306 OBP isn't terrible. Aside from his inordinately high RBI total (poor measure of a hitter's worth) and decent amount of HR's, what exactly was Joe Carter good at?

 

Someone who 'lets the stats speak for themselves' probably has no idea what they're talking about.

 

Let's re-focus to the point of this convo:

 

The guy hit nearly 400 HRs. While this does not mean he was good, it does mean he was not terrible.

 

Why are you having so much trouble understanding this?

 

I never said he was terrible. I simply asked you to explain why he wasn't. So far, we have a link, 'the stats speak for themselves', and 'the guy hit nearly 400 HR's'. Sure, 400 HR's. Yay. Good total. However, the rest of the numbers that the guy put out in his career are really not very good. Some people would say, *gasp*, that a person who is not very good at baseball, is 'terrible'. Call it hyperbole, call it over-reaction, fine. But at the end of the day, all you are doing is arguing semantics and offering little in the way of analysis. Joe Carter was not a very good baseball player. Your condescension and insults do little to change this.

RynoRules Knoxville Smokies

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Joe Carter was not a very good baseball player.

 

That's very different from the assertion that he was "terrible", which is what I was responding to. In other words, you completely missed the point of my post or decided that you would ignore it.

 

Your condescension and insults do little to change this
.

 

Said the guy who posted this:

 

I hadn't realized that having a baseball reference page made a baseball player not terrible.
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I have little to add other than that I have a hard time not classifying someone who posted a career .306 OBP and who had an OBP in the .330's in his career years as terrible.

 

I suppose his power numbers put him somewhere just above that level, though. Still, I'd bet there are a lot of guys who, if given enough PA's, have enough power to hit a lot of HR's while being otherwise terrible at the plate, too.

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So we're to the point that there are people creating arguments to defend inane hyperbole. Yay.

 

Please, something newsworthy, happen.

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Folks, we are NOT going to tolerate another pissing match like we had a couple of weeks ago. Disagree without resorting to condescending tones. I'm not singling out a single poster, nor do I care who started it. It needs to end now.
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Well it appears you're more interested in having a pissing match that actually talking about baseball so I'm done here.

 

Again, in case you missed it the first time:

 

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Joe Carter was not a very good baseball player.

 

 

That's very different from the assertion that he was "terrible", which is what I was responding to. In other words, you completely missed the point of my post or decided that you would ignore it.

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Wow, I had no idea that calling out Joe Carter would lead to a pissing match.

 

I don't care what anyone says about him as a ballplayer, good, bad or otherwise... But listening to him call games with Chip made blood come pouring out of my ears.

 

There was a moment during a broadcast when Ricky Gutierrez, just having been referred to by Chip as "G-Man", cracked a big HR, and Carter screams, "FORGET G-MAN, THEY SHOULD CALL HIM H-MAN!!!" ...and there was just dead air in the booth for a little while.

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Wow, I had no idea that calling out Joe Carter would lead to a pissing match.

 

I don't care what anyone says about him as a ballplayer, good, bad or otherwise... But listening to him call games with Chip made blood come pouring out of my ears.

 

There was a moment during a broadcast when Ricky Gutierrez, just having been referred to by Chip as "G-Man", cracked a big HR, and Carter screams, "FORGET G-MAN, THEY SHOULD CALL HIM H-MAN!!!" ...and there was just dead air in the booth for a little while.

 

My favorite Carter moment was when he asked Jim McMahon how Pete Roselle was.

RynoRules Knoxville Smokies

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Wow, I had no idea that calling out Joe Carter would lead to a pissing match.

 

I don't care what anyone says about him as a ballplayer, good, bad or otherwise... But listening to him call games with Chip made blood come pouring out of my ears.

 

There was a moment during a broadcast when Ricky Gutierrez, just having been referred to by Chip as "G-Man", cracked a big HR, and Carter screams, "FORGET G-MAN, THEY SHOULD CALL HIM H-MAN!!!" ...and there was just dead air in the booth for a little while.

 

A stronger word than terrible is needed to describe Carter as a color man or announcer.

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Another good one was when the Cubs were down like 5 runs... Cubs got a runner on.. Joe says something to the effect of, "If the Cubs can get a couple more baserunners on, they'll have the tying run on deck." :lol: :lol:
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A stronger word than terrible is needed to describe Carter as a color man or announcer.
Definitely.

 

Best. Ever.

 

I've never been so entertained in my life.

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can we split off the joe carter BS and stay on topic?

 

I thought Pie was being traded for Carter. You mean to tell me there was a tangent in a thread at NSBB? I am stunned. :lol:

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