Jacque Jones for Jay Payton Rumor

[HoopsCubs]

The source, who told me about the Cubs scouting Stairs last week, said he heard from a contact in the O's organization that MacPhail and Hendry had had conversations recently about a Jones for Payton deal. Payton would be used as a right-handed platoon player for Pie in CF or Floyd in RF.

 

Both players are due to make $5M in 2008, so there would be no cash involved - both are free agents after '08. The O's want a left-handed DH/outfielder, who can be reasonably priced insurance if Corey Patterson doesn't re-sign.

 

Just a rumor. Not sure if the talks were early stage, ongoing or dead.

 

Payton's stats against left-handers in 2004-2006 are .346 OBP/.435 SLG seem to be in line with 2007: .360 OBP/.420 SLG.

 

 

Hoops

Edited July 27, 2007 by HoopsCubs

[UMFan83]

Sounds like it has to be an old rumor from before Jacque's recent surge. Why else would they want him?

[SouthSideRyan]

Seriously, Jay Payton's due 5M in '08??

[inari]

Ick, please no.

[reds44]

That would be a bad deal for the Cubs.

[rickrolled]

I think I'd rather have a PTBNL

[FergieJ31]

I'd much rather keep JJ.

[pitchcs]

Yeah, that trade wouldn't make much sense.

[BeerHere]

JJ signed a two year deal before last season. He's a FA after this season so the deal for Payton is terrible.

 

DAMMIT! 3 year contract

Edited July 27, 2007 by BeerHere

[jersey cubs fan]

Yeah, that trade wouldn't make much sense.

 

The Cubs need to get better vs LHP. They'd be able to slot Pie back into regular duty while resting him against the toughest LHP. I think it makes some sense. It's not going to greatly improve the team, but it would improve them without costing much of anything.

[jersey cubs fan]

JJ signed a two year deal before last season. He's a FA after this season so the deal for Payton is terrible.

 

JJ signed a 3 year deal and is under contract through 2008

[shnsajax]

I didn't even know Payton was still playing. Murton is better than Payton.

[FergieJ31]

I didn't even know Payton was still playing. Murton is better than Payton.

 

Yeah I think the Cubs already improved themselves vs LHP -- albeit marginally -- by bringing up the lovable redhead. Murton > Payton.

[RynoRules]

I'd love that deal. At least Payton can get on base at a decent clip without first making you suffer through an 0 for 25 streak. Plus, Payton is in his walk year and Jones still has a yr on his contract.

 

Explain to me why this would be a bad deal for us.

 

EDIT: And by "get on base at a decent clip" I mean against left-handers.

 

CRAP!!! EDIT NO. 2: Payton also has a yr left on his K. He's still a better player than Jones, though.

Edited July 27, 2007 by RynoRules

[E.J.]

This brings out the same emotions I had when I found out the Cubs signed Burnitz.

[USSoccer]

If this is the best and only way to be rid of a crappy OF in 2008, sign me up.

 

EDIT: duh, he's not in his walk year, so unsign me up.

Edited July 27, 2007 by USSoccer

[inari]

I'd love that deal. At least Payton can get on base at a decent clip without first making you suffer through an 0 for 25 streak. Plus, Payton is in his walk year and Jones still has a yr on his contract.

 

Explain to me why this would be a bad deal for us.

 

EDIT: And by "get on base at a decent clip" I mean against left-handers.

 

Payton's not in his walk year. Nor does he get on base at a decent clip. His career OBP against lefties isn't even .350.

[E.J.]

From Cots:

 

Jay Payton of

2 years/$9.5M (2007-08)

 

* signed as a free agent 12/06

* 07:$4.5M, 08:$5M

* award bonuses: $0.1M each for MVP or World Series MVP, $50,000 for All Star ($25,000 selection), $50,000 each for LCS MVP or Gold Glove, $25,000 for Silver Slugger

* one-time $0.25M assignment bonus if traded

* 2 years/$5.5M (2004-05), plus $4M 2006 club option

o A's exercised $4M 2006 option 10/05

o DFA, then traded 7/05 (Boston also sent Oakland cash in the deal)

o signed as a free agent 1/04 (San Diego)

o 04:$1.5M, 05:$3.5M, 06:$4M club option ($0.5M buyout)

o San Diego paid Boston $2.65M 12/04 in trading Payton, Ramon Vazquez & David Pauley to Boston for Dave Roberts.

* 1 year/$1.85M (2003), avoided arbitration 1/03

* 1 year/$362,500 (2002) 3/02

* drafted 1994 (1-29)

* agent: Craig Landis

* ML service: 7.128

 

 

[RynoRules]

I'd love that deal. At least Payton can get on base at a decent clip without first making you suffer through an 0 for 25 streak. Plus, Payton is in his walk year and Jones still has a yr on his contract.

 

Explain to me why this would be a bad deal for us.

 

EDIT: And by "get on base at a decent clip" I mean against left-handers.

 

Payton's not in his walk year. Nor does he get on base at a decent clip. His career OBP against lefties isn't even .350.

 

Check my edits.

[E.J.]

I'd love that deal. At least Payton can get on base at a decent clip without first making you suffer through an 0 for 25 streak. Plus, Payton is in his walk year and Jones still has a yr on his contract.

 

Explain to me why this would be a bad deal for us.

 

EDIT: And by "get on base at a decent clip" I mean against left-handers.

 

Payton's not in his walk year. Nor does he get on base at a decent clip. His career OBP against lefties isn't even .350.

 

Check my edits.

 

He's not in his walk year. He's signed through 2008.

[RynoRules]

I'd love that deal. At least Payton can get on base at a decent clip without first making you suffer through an 0 for 25 streak. Plus, Payton is in his walk year and Jones still has a yr on his contract.

 

Explain to me why this would be a bad deal for us.

 

EDIT: And by "get on base at a decent clip" I mean against left-handers.

 

Payton's not in his walk year. Nor does he get on base at a decent clip. His career OBP against lefties isn't even .350.

 

Check my edits.

 

 

 

He's not in his walk year. He's signed through 2008.

 

Once again, check my edits.

[CubColtPacer]

I'd love that deal. At least Payton can get on base at a decent clip without first making you suffer through an 0 for 25 streak. Plus, Payton is in his walk year and Jones still has a yr on his contract.

 

Explain to me why this would be a bad deal for us.

 

EDIT: And by "get on base at a decent clip" I mean against left-handers.

 

Payton is not in his walk year first of all-he also has another year left on his contract.

 

Payton has had 0 seasons in the last 4 over a 95 OPS+, Jones has had 2.

 

Jones has the better chance to rebound to be something pretty good, while Payton is simply an expensive bench player at this point. If you look at 08 (when Floyd will almost certainly not be re-signed) who would you rather have as the 4th OF?

 

I don't think it's a terrible deal for the Cubs, but it's not a good deal either.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Payton is just like Jones only not quite as good

[RynoRules]

I'd love that deal. At least Payton can get on base at a decent clip without first making you suffer through an 0 for 25 streak. Plus, Payton is in his walk year and Jones still has a yr on his contract.

 

Explain to me why this would be a bad deal for us.

 

EDIT: And by "get on base at a decent clip" I mean against left-handers.

 

Payton is not in his walk year first of all-he also has another year left on his contract.

 

Payton has had 0 seasons in the last 4 over a 95 OPS+, Jones has had 2.

 

Jones has the better chance to rebound to be something pretty good, while Payton is simply an expensive bench player at this point. If you look at 08 (when Floyd will almost certainly not be re-signed) who would you rather have as the 4th OF?

 

I don't think it's a terrible deal for the Cubs, but it's not a good deal either.

 

Is everyone just ignoring my second edit?

[CubColtPacer]

I'd love that deal. At least Payton can get on base at a decent clip without first making you suffer through an 0 for 25 streak. Plus, Payton is in his walk year and Jones still has a yr on his contract.

 

Explain to me why this would be a bad deal for us.

 

EDIT: And by "get on base at a decent clip" I mean against left-handers.

 

Payton is not in his walk year first of all-he also has another year left on his contract.

 

Payton has had 0 seasons in the last 4 over a 95 OPS+, Jones has had 2.

 

Jones has the better chance to rebound to be something pretty good, while Payton is simply an expensive bench player at this point. If you look at 08 (when Floyd will almost certainly not be re-signed) who would you rather have as the 4th OF?

 

I don't think it's a terrible deal for the Cubs, but it's not a good deal either.

 

Is everyone just ignoring my second edit?

 

As you can see, I started my post after your first edit. I didn't see the next few posts or your second edit until after I had posted that.