BP Tidbit on Reds, Griffey, and Cubs

[Rob]

Wow, that Adam Dunn and Ken Griffey just KILLED the Cubs this weekend, I'd be in a big rush to throw three good prospects Cincy's way for either one of those studs! :roll:

 

Can we get a moratorium on any and all talk relating to these two ballplayers once August 1st arrives? Please??

 

You can't be serious.

 

This post doesn't really even deserve a response. What a joke.

 

Fanboys, LOL.

 

LOL @ you thinking I'm a Dunn fanboy.

 

Right.

 

I was actually calling the fact that you'd base your decision on whether or not the Cubs should get one of them (I'd prefer Griffey, FWIW), on what they did this weekend a joke. The mere suggestion that anyone should no longer discuss or consider (or hope for) the possibility of one of them coming to the Cubs based on what they did in this series is completely and utterly laughable.

 

Thanks for playing.

 

 

Don't hate the playa, hate the game.

 

Why fight about who we want more? Why not just get both. Play Dunn in RF and Griffey in CF. Sure our outfield defense would be absolutely horrible, and we'd have to gut our farm system to get them both, but boy it would be worth it. :D

 

You tell it, sister!

 

(I've decided to speak in cliches today)

[Sosa21MVP]

I really don't have much interest in Adam Dumb. But Griffey heck yes! 8-)

 

I just don't see the deal happening though.

[rickrolled]

adam dumb, oml, that's good

[Sosa21MVP]

adam dumb, oml, that's good

 

When you talk to a disgruntled Reds fan every single night, these things get pounded into your head. :?

[Butterscup1679666578]

Wow, that Adam Dunn and Ken Griffey just KILLED the Cubs this weekend, I'd be in a big rush to throw three good prospects Cincy's way for either one of those studs! :roll:

 

Can we get a moratorium on any and all talk relating to these two ballplayers once August 1st arrives? Please??

 

You can't be serious.

 

This post doesn't really even deserve a response. What a joke.

 

Fanboys, LOL.

 

LOL @ you thinking I'm a Dunn fanboy.

 

Right.

 

I was actually calling the fact that you'd base your decision on whether or not the Cubs should get one of them (I'd prefer Griffey, FWIW), on what they did this weekend a joke. The mere suggestion that anyone should no longer discuss or consider (or hope for) the possibility of one of them coming to the Cubs based on what they did in this series is completely and utterly laughable.

 

Thanks for playing.

 

Plus, the stupidest thing about all of this is that neither one of them wouldn't be facing the Cubs anymore.

[Bote McBoteface]

mmmmmm internet drama

[Butterscup1679666578]

mmmmmm internet drama

 

mmm cat

[mdwilla]

I really really want Griffey. I think Griffey and Piniella make a great recruiting team for AROD in the offseason during the ownership change.

[Bote McBoteface]

For the record, the Reds announcers today made an interesting point. They quoted Dunn's stats against left handed pitching this year.

 

Something like .190 with 4 homers.

 

We already have one outfielder who is good against righties and is a little leaguer against lefties. I'd prefer not to have two of those, especially if it costs us Murton (Who may be a better option regardless)

 

I hadn't seen it quoted in any posts so far, though it probably has. Thought it was kind of interesting.

[mdwilla]

For the record, the Reds announcers today made an interesting point. They quoted Dunn's stats against left handed pitching this year.

 

Something like .190 with 4 homers.

 

We already have one outfielder who is good against righties and is a little leaguer against lefties. I'd prefer not to have two of those, especially if it costs us Murton (Who may be a better option regardless)

 

I hadn't seen it quoted in any posts so far, though it probably has. Thought it was kind of interesting.

 

If Dunn is here I'm not sure there's gonna be many at-bats for Jones.

[witty alias]

mmmmmm internet drama

 

mmm cat

 

Who is that in your signature?

[rickrolled]

For the record, the Reds announcers today made an interesting point. They quoted Dunn's stats against left handed pitching this year.

 

Something like .190 with 4 homers.

 

We already have one outfielder who is good against righties and is a little leaguer against lefties. I'd prefer not to have two of those, especially if it costs us Murton (Who may be a better option regardless)

 

I hadn't seen it quoted in any posts so far, though it probably has. Thought it was kind of interesting.

 

I think the difference is that Dunn is really good against righties, to the tune of a 1.074 OPS.

[TruffleShuffle]

For the record, the Reds announcers today made an interesting point. They quoted Dunn's stats against left handed pitching this year.

 

Something like .190 with 4 homers.

 

We already have one outfielder who is good against righties and is a little leaguer against lefties. I'd prefer not to have two of those, especially if it costs us Murton (Who may be a better option regardless)

 

I hadn't seen it quoted in any posts so far, though it probably has. Thought it was kind of interesting.

 

If Dunn is here I'm not sure there's gonna be many at-bats for Jones.

 

there will be unless we have someone else to play CF

[Have a seat, Neifi]

Dunn is hitting .206 with a .635 OPS vs. LH pitching this year.

 

Griffey is hitting .258 with an .833 OPS vs. LH pitching this year.

 

 

Has anyone noticed that Griffey has a .710 OPS since the AS break? Wondering if the ol' timer is slowing down a bit...

[Bote McBoteface]

For the record, the Reds announcers today made an interesting point. They quoted Dunn's stats against left handed pitching this year.

 

Something like .190 with 4 homers.

 

We already have one outfielder who is good against righties and is a little leaguer against lefties. I'd prefer not to have two of those, especially if it costs us Murton (Who may be a better option regardless)

 

I hadn't seen it quoted in any posts so far, though it probably has. Thought it was kind of interesting.

 

If Dunn is here I'm not sure there's gonna be many at-bats for Jones.

 

there will be unless we have someone else to play CF

 

I just wish we had a 22 year old 5-tool prospect tearing up triple A to replace Jones with.

[Sosa21MVP]

Dunn is hitting .206 with a .635 OPS vs. LH pitching this year.

 

Griffey is hitting .258 with an .833 OPS vs. LH pitching this year.

 

 

Has anyone noticed that Griffey has a .710 OPS since the AS break? Wondering if the ol' timer is slowing down a bit...

 

That or he is tired of playing for a crap team. :lol: I think a trade to the Cubs would recharge his batteries quite a bit.

[Butterscup1679666578]

mmmmmm internet drama

 

mmm cat

 

Who is that in your signature?

 

Ginger Reyes, new bassist for the Smashing Pumpkins

[TruffleShuffle]

I just wish we had a 22 year old 5-tool prospect tearing up triple A to replace Jones with.

 

I'd feel better about calling him up if his numbers weren't terrible the first two times he was called up. At this point I think it might be best to just use jock out there the rest of this year (unless there's a trade), then give Felix the job next year and stick with him through the growing pains.

[davearm]

I was actually calling the fact that you'd base your decision on whether or not the Cubs should get one of them (I'd prefer Griffey, FWIW), on what they did this weekend a joke. The mere suggestion that anyone should no longer discuss or consider (or hope for) the possibility of one of them coming to the Cubs based on what they did in this series is completely and utterly laughable.

 

Thanks for playing.

Question for you davhern (not to be confused with davearm).

 

What do you think of the common practice of a team sending a scout to watch a trade target play for a few games?

 

You know, the typical stuff you hear all the time: "trade talks between the Blackjacks and the Turbos are heating up, and this weekend the Blackjacks had a scout in Mudville to watch Slugger McLain."

 

Is that little bit of standard operating procedure that basically every MLB team follows "completely and utterly laughable" too?

[seanimal]

I may be completely wrong, but scouts aren't there to find out numbers they can read on the internet. They are there to look at the player, see what his skill-set is, things of that nature. Completely different from using a three game statistical sample as the end-all of his worth to a potential suitor.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I was actually calling the fact that you'd base your decision on whether or not the Cubs should get one of them (I'd prefer Griffey, FWIW), on what they did this weekend a joke. The mere suggestion that anyone should no longer discuss or consider (or hope for) the possibility of one of them coming to the Cubs based on what they did in this series is completely and utterly laughable.

 

Thanks for playing.

Question for you davhern (not to be confused with davearm).

 

What do you think of the common practice of a team sending a scout to watch a trade target play for a few games?

 

You know, the typical stuff you hear all the time: "trade talks between the Blackjacks and the Turbos are heating up, and this weekend the Blackjacks had a scout in Mudville to watch Slugger McLain."

 

Is that little bit of standard operating procedure that basically every MLB team follows "completely and utterly laughable" too?

 

There's a large difference between the two. First of all, the spirit of the original post was "Dunn had a couple 0-fers, see he's not all that good". That's not what scouts are looking for. They're looking to see Dunn's swing, how he handles himself in the field, etc. And even then, I think that should be weighed relatively lightly compared to the body of work of a player when considering a trade target. Scouting a target can be very worthwhile when you're trying to find a guy who may have a breakout second half or someone who will turn it around(see: Kendall, Payton, Church, etc.). But when you're talking about trading for a guy who's consistently produced for several years, there should be a lot less emphasis on what a scout may see in a brief stretch.

[Butterscup1679666578]

For the record, the Reds announcers today made an interesting point. They quoted Dunn's stats against left handed pitching this year.

 

Something like .190 with 4 homers.

 

We already have one outfielder who is good against righties and is a little leaguer against lefties. I'd prefer not to have two of those, especially if it costs us Murton (Who may be a better option regardless)

 

I hadn't seen it quoted in any posts so far, though it probably has. Thought it was kind of interesting.

 

Very interesting, I didn't realize he was that bad. Actual line is .206/.289/.346/.635 4 HR 12 RBI.

 

Here's a look at past years vs. LHP:

 

06: .270 .393 .503 .896 11 HR 26 RBI

05: .197 .321 .463 .784 13 HR 35 RBI

04: .256 .362 .467 .829 10 HR 21 RBI

03: .202 .333 .454 .787 9 HR 25 RBI

02: .254 .385 .521 .906 11 HR 27 RBI

01: .282 .370 .592 .962 6 HR 14 RBI

 

 

This is obviously his worst year. I wonder what the factor is in this case. It's quite the rapid decline for a 27 year old, I wonder if it is moreso just the scenery, or if it's another factor entirely.

Edited July 30, 2007 by Butterscup

[davearm]

I may be completely wrong, but scouts aren't there to find out numbers they can read on the internet. They are there to look at the player, see what his skill-set is, things of that nature. Completely different from using a three game statistical sample as the end-all of his worth to a potential suitor.

Your stats vs skills point is well taken, but the fact remains: teams make go/no-go decisions on trades all the time based upon scouts' observations over a small number of games.

 

Do you think a scout sent to observe Dunn's skillset would go away with a positive recommendation for his GM based on what he saw this weekend?

[davearm]

I was actually calling the fact that you'd base your decision on whether or not the Cubs should get one of them (I'd prefer Griffey, FWIW), on what they did this weekend a joke. The mere suggestion that anyone should no longer discuss or consider (or hope for) the possibility of one of them coming to the Cubs based on what they did in this series is completely and utterly laughable.

 

Thanks for playing.

Question for you davhern (not to be confused with davearm).

 

What do you think of the common practice of a team sending a scout to watch a trade target play for a few games?

 

You know, the typical stuff you hear all the time: "trade talks between the Blackjacks and the Turbos are heating up, and this weekend the Blackjacks had a scout in Mudville to watch Slugger McLain."

 

Is that little bit of standard operating procedure that basically every MLB team follows "completely and utterly laughable" too?

 

There's a large difference between the two. First of all, the spirit of the original post was "Dunn had a couple 0-fers, see he's not all that good". That's not what scouts are looking for. They're looking to see Dunn's swing, how he handles himself in the field, etc. And even then, I think that should be weighed relatively lightly compared to the body of work of a player when considering a trade target. Scouting a target can be very worthwhile when you're trying to find a guy who may have a breakout second half or someone who will turn it around(see: Kendall, Payton, Church, etc.). But when you're talking about trading for a guy who's consistently produced for several years, there should be a lot less emphasis on what a scout may see in a brief stretch.

Dunn has not consistently produced for several years.

 

His numbers have been all over the board, actually.

 

I posted this earlier, but the closest thing to consistency Dunn has shown is that his numbers plummet in August and September.

[Rob]

For heaven's sake... Dunn had a 12 game hitting streak going into the series with the Cubs. No, he didn't look good during the series with the Cubs, but I think a 12 game hitting streak overrides 3 bad games.