Murton & Pie Hot @ AAA

[wvcbxl]

the fact of the matter is, you have 6 guys that are playing down in iowa that are playing better than players on our roster

 

I hear you, but some care must be taken in comparing AAA with the Major League level.

[Jazz]

the fact of the matter is, you have 6 guys that are playing down in iowa that are playing better than players on our roster, and could no doubt contribute.

 

Petrick -> Eyre

Pignatello -> Ohman

Cedeno -> Izturis

Pie -> Pagan

Murton -> Jones, Floyd

Soto -> Hill, Kendall

 

It really saddens me that its come to this. While it's not as bad as say, playing neifi and macias over other players like in years past, its certainly doing nothing good for the team. The mere fact that we are winning with these 8 players getting regular playing time is remarkable.

 

We gotta change this.

 

it couldn't be that these guys are all "better" than their major league counterparts because they've not been given enough of a chance to fail at the big league level, could it?

 

i suppose, but the fact of the matter is, for the combined estimated 18 mil that your getting out of the vets, you could get slightly less to better production out of your cheap in house options. While i'm not going to go and say that there is a 0% chance that ALL of these young guys will fail, is it a stretch to say that we'd be better off?

 

You have murton who's already produced at the ML level, Cedeno whos tearing up AAA who could definately do better than Izturis, Soto who has also had sucess at AAA that couldn't be any more of an anomaly that Kendall and Hill have been in 07', Pie who is our young stud that needs to go through the growing pains that could show some flashes, but will inevitably pay off more in the long run in his development than having pagan as your 4th of with mediocre offense. Petrick who had done good in limited time on the ML squad, and has been great in 07' in the minors, should definately outpitch Eyre if given extended time. The rulingn is out on Piggy though, but I think you will agree with me that you'd like to see him pitch on the ML team more than Ohman.

[TruffleShuffle]

the fact of the matter is, you have 6 guys that are playing down in iowa that are playing better than players on our roster, and could no doubt contribute.

 

Petrick -> Eyre

Pignatello -> Ohman

Cedeno -> Izturis

Pie -> Pagan

Murton -> Jones, Floyd

Soto -> Hill, Kendall

 

It really saddens me that its come to this. While it's not as bad as say, playing neifi and macias over other players like in years past, its certainly doing nothing good for the team. The mere fact that we are winning with these 8 players getting regular playing time is remarkable.

 

We gotta change this.

 

it couldn't be that these guys are all "better" than their major league counterparts because they've not been given enough of a chance to fail at the big league level, could it?

 

i suppose, but the fact of the matter is, for the combined estimated 18 mil that your getting out of the vets, you could get slightly less to better production out of your cheap in house options. While i'm not going to go and say that there is a 0% chance that ALL of these young guys will fail, is it a stretch to say that we'd be better off?

 

You have murton who's already produced at the ML level, Cedeno whos tearing up AAA who could definitely do better than Izturis, Soto who has also had success at AAA that couldn't be any more of an anomaly that Kendall and Hill have been in 07', Pie who is our young stud that needs to go through the growing pains that could show some flashes, but will inevitably pay off more in the long run in his development than having pagan as your 4th of with mediocre offense. Petrick who had done good in limited time on the ML squad, and has been great in 07' in the minors, should definitely outpitch Eyre if given extended time. The ruling is out on Piggy though, but I think you will agree with me that you'd like to see him pitch on the ML team more than Ohman.

 

nobody's arguing that Hendry isn't a moron who wastes money. I think Murton can probably outhit Floyd. Cedeno could probably outhit Izturis, but could he outhit Theriot? I'm not so sure... and feel free to check Cedeno's numbers this month, which show a regression in his plate discipline to more "normal" levels for him.

 

Pie you're talking about needing to go through "growing pains", but when you have a hot team that is very much in the playoff race, is that the appropriate time to call him up and watch him flail away at bad balls? Eyre is worthless, I won't argue that. And no, I wouldn't like to see Piggy pitch more than Ohman, because Ohman has been a fairly solid lefty reliever for two years now, whereas Piggy's stuff (to me) screams "Kirk Saarloos" - a guy who can get minor leaguers out, but whose stuff is too fringe to be effective against major league hitters.

[pitchcs]

Updated

 

Murton's last 7 games:

 

13-31 (.419)

8 Runs

2 HR

6 RBI

3 2B

2:5 K/BB

 

 

Pie's last 6 games:

 

11-30 (.367)

6 Runs

4 HR

5 RBI

1 2B

7:2 K/BB

 

Matt Murton will be back with this team sooner rather than later. Pie is just a monster in Iowa.

Edited July 20, 2007 by pitchcs

[SouthSideRyan]

If they don't come up before then I hope the Cubs bring Cedeno, Murton, and Pie up by the Aug. 31 deadline for postseason eligibility (assuming they're still in contention). If necessary, put Jones, Izturis, ane Floyd/Pagan on the DL with phantom "injuries" to make room. That would give the Cubs a lot of postseason flexibility, because the players on the DL and the players called up to replace them would all be eligible for postseason. At least in the case of Floyd, it's almost a given that he'll have some nagging injury that would make a trip to the DL credible anyway.

 

There would be more scrutiny in this case, but couldn't the phantom injury come before the playoff rosters were set so they could get on?

Yes they could, come to think of it.

 

It's why it's a nice idea to not release Novoa and Miller if you don't have to, so that those spots are there for the taking.

[jersey cubs fan]

If they don't come up before then I hope the Cubs bring Cedeno, Murton, and Pie up by the Aug. 31 deadline for postseason eligibility (assuming they're still in contention). If necessary, put Jones, Izturis, ane Floyd/Pagan on the DL with phantom "injuries" to make room. That would give the Cubs a lot of postseason flexibility, because the players on the DL and the players called up to replace them would all be eligible for postseason. At least in the case of Floyd, it's almost a given that he'll have some nagging injury that would make a trip to the DL credible anyway.

 

There would be more scrutiny in this case, but couldn't the phantom injury come before the playoff rosters were set so they could get on?

Yes they could, come to think of it.

 

It's why it's a nice idea to not release Novoa and Miller if you don't have to, so that those spots are there for the taking.

 

Those guys are already off the 25-man roster and on the 60-day DL. Isn't the only way to get a guy on the playoff roster after August 31 if he is replacing somebody who was on the 25-man roster but got injured in September? For the Cubs, it would seem the only way to pull this off would be to have the 5th starter or 7th reliever come down with a phantom injury sometime in September and be replaced by a Sept callup.

[SouthSideRyan]

If they don't come up before then I hope the Cubs bring Cedeno, Murton, and Pie up by the Aug. 31 deadline for postseason eligibility (assuming they're still in contention). If necessary, put Jones, Izturis, ane Floyd/Pagan on the DL with phantom "injuries" to make room. That would give the Cubs a lot of postseason flexibility, because the players on the DL and the players called up to replace them would all be eligible for postseason. At least in the case of Floyd, it's almost a given that he'll have some nagging injury that would make a trip to the DL credible anyway.

 

There would be more scrutiny in this case, but couldn't the phantom injury come before the playoff rosters were set so they could get on?

Yes they could, come to think of it.

 

It's why it's a nice idea to not release Novoa and Miller if you don't have to, so that those spots are there for the taking.

 

Those guys are already off the 25-man roster and on the 60-day DL. Isn't the only way to get a guy on the playoff roster after August 31 if he is replacing somebody who was on the 25-man roster but got injured in September? For the Cubs, it would seem the only way to pull this off would be to have the 5th starter or 7th reliever come down with a phantom injury sometime in September and be replaced by a Sept callup.

 

Nope, the Angels did it with K-Rod in '02. He replaced some scrub who had been on the 60 day DL all year. Guys on the 60 day DL are kind of in limbo, they aren't really on the 25 man roster, but they aren't really not. They accrue major league service time throughout their stay which is why Ohman is arb eligible so early in his actual playing career.