A Return of Sammy?

[David]

I didn't read this thread, but I'm going to assume the people that like sammy are ridiculing those that don't in a holier than thou manner.

 

Maybe, maybe not. But anyone who suggests something as ass-backwards as the idea that the Cubs were losers because of one of the greatest players of all time deserves such a treatment.

[Soriano12]

It's unbelievable to me that someone would even suggest that the reason those teams didn't win was because of Sammy. I can't even begin to understand what in the hell is going through someone's head that would produce that asinine conclusion.

 

I mean, Sosa carried some otherwise sub-mediocre teams to the playoffs, and kept others in the hunt.

 

LOOK AT WHAT HE HAD AROUND HIM FOR FREAK'S SAKE....

 

But if he was that great, he would have carried his team to a World Series, because that is what great "clutch" players do, and Sammy did not.

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[SouthSideRyan]

It's time to let go folks. He's never going to be a Cub again. Nothing he's done since leaving the Cubs, quite literally, warrants his return - no matter how quiet his yap has been since leaving.

 

He doesn't deserve to be on this team comprised of the anti-Sammy. These guys play good, sound baseball and play the game the way it's supposed to be played. That's what brought them back from 8.5 games. There's not a selfish player on this team.

 

LOU CHANGED THE CULTURE FOR A REASON. It's because of LOSERS like Sosa that this change was needed on the North Side. It's completely contradictory to think that Sammy makes any sense with this group of players or with the man who has led them to this point - and to me - it's a bit of an insult.

 

You can't be serious.

 

This argument is absurd. Do you think that "loser" Sammy Sosa in his prime (1998-2002) would not help this team?

 

If you don't, I'm not sure what to say.

 

How many teams did he help in that period? How many times was LOSER Sammy in the playoffs?

 

The LOSERS on this team with more playoff appearances than Sosa are Marquis, DeRosa, and Soriano.

 

We should trade everyone else.

[ConstableRabbit]

I didn't read this thread, but I'm going to assume the people that like sammy are ridiculing those that don't in a holier than thou manner.

 

You should probably read the thread then.

 

The one thing posters on this board should understand is that regardless of differing opinions, fact- and stat-based logic will always triumph over Joe Morgan style logic.

 

But Joe Morgan style logic is so much more fun.

 

Joe Carter logic is day-long entertainment.

 

Joe Carter logic with regard to Sammy would just be him saying:

 

"Semmy Sosa -- comin' up big for the cUHbs"

[jjgman21]

I just remembered why I stopped coming over to this I'm Overcompensating snob board. Later know-it-alls.

 

Could this be interpreted as attacking the poster (well, all of the posters) and not the post?

 

Oh, and if I had a choice between answering the Santo Williams Banks etc question or just bailing I think I'd vote with my feet as well.

 

probably, but this was used against the same poster

 

You are an...whoops I mean...That post is an idiot.

 

which demonstrates the absurdity at how the no attacking rule is interpreted and enforced.

[Soriano12]

I just remembered why I stopped coming over to this I'm Overcompensating snob board. Later know-it-alls.

 

Could this be interpreted as attacking the poster (well, all of the posters) and not the post?

 

Oh, and if I had a choice between answering the Santo Williams Banks etc question or just bailing I think I'd vote with my feet as well.

 

probably, but this was used against the same poster

 

You are an...whoops I mean...That post is an idiot.

 

which demonstrates the absurdity at how the no attacking rule is interpreted and enforced.

 

I don't know what you are interpreting, but that is clearly attacking the post and not the poster.

 

[erik316wttn]

I just remembered why I stopped coming over to this I'm Overcompensating snob board. Later know-it-alls.

 

Don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya.

[David]

I'll admit it. I laughed at the line. It was predictable but pretty good.

 

Probably uncalled for, though. We could've easily attacked his arguments without any personal insults.

Edited July 31, 2007 by David

[Burtonbell]

Ok...Um...back on topic.

 

I say no to Sosa. His better days are way behind him. Would management want him around?

[USSoccer]

Ok...Um...back on topic.

 

I say no to Sosa. His better days are way behind him. Would management want him around?

 

He's excelling at the one area we need the most help in: hitting left handed pitching.

 

He's be the ideal platoon guy with Floyd. He'd be cheap to aquire and would add little to the payroll.

 

I think the added offense offests the PR issue he would create.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

As I've said numerous times, Sosa is still very good at hitting left-handed pitching. The Rangers would give him away for a PTBNL...maybe even cash considerations.

 

It's a no-brainer. If Sosa starts to act like a prima donna, cut him loose. No harm, no foul. Make it clear to Sosa what his role is. Somehow, I think Lou would handle Sammy much better than Baker did. Furthermore, I think Sosa is wise enough to realize it's no longer his house.

 

This would be a really good move...and is sure as hell better than kicking the tires on the likes of Silva, Payton, or Laird.

[The Voice of Reason]

Granted we don't exactly have Roberto Clemente in Right Field now but would anyone be concerned about Sammy's ability to play outfield? He hasn't played there much for the past three years.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Granted we don't exactly have Roberto Clemente in Right Field now but would anyone be concerned about Sammy's ability to play outfield? He hasn't played there much for the past three years.

 

I'm not concerned that he could at least do what Floyd has done out there.

[circlecitycub]

Ok...Um...back on topic.

 

I say no to Sosa. His better days are way behind him. Would management want him around?

 

He's excelling at the one area we need the most help in: hitting left handed pitching.

 

He's be the ideal platoon guy with Floyd. He'd be cheap to aquire and would add little to the payroll.

 

I think the added offense offests the PR issue he would create.

 

I think people have an optimistic outlook right now and therefore not much venom to spout towards a player that has yet to fail us in 2007.

 

If Sammy is indeed acquired I predict he will encounter a standing O as he sprints to RF in his first game back.

[CDBears1259]

Ok...Um...back on topic.

 

I say no to Sosa. His better days are way behind him. Would management want him around?

 

He's excelling at the one area we need the most help in: hitting left handed pitching.

 

He's be the ideal platoon guy with Floyd. He'd be cheap to aquire and would add little to the payroll.

 

I think the added offense offests the PR issue he would create.

 

All very true and I'd love to have Sosa back, not only for the production, but for the thought of having him back in a Cubs uni as they make a run at the WS.

 

That being said, I have a hard time believing the Cubs brass will entertain the idea as it could wind up a PR disaster as well making them look foolish for the way he was unceremoniously disposed of. Heck, I'm not sure Sosa would want to come back. If I were him I probably wouldn't want to. I can only imagine the pounding he might take if he doesn't produce as expected.

[badger1679666666]

I didn't read this thread, but I'm going to assume the people that like sammy are ridiculing those that don't in a holier than thou manner.

 

Maybe, maybe not. But anyone who suggests something as ass-backwards as the idea that the Cubs were losers because of one of the greatest players of all time deserves such a treatment.

 

Wait people were suggesting we were bad BECAUSE of sammy?

 

:lol:

 

I'm not a sammy fan, but I'm able to recognize his effect on the shathole lineups he played on.

[brinoch]

It's time to let go folks. He's never going to be a Cub again. Nothing he's done since leaving the Cubs, quite literally, warrants his return - no matter how quiet his yap has been since leaving.

 

He doesn't deserve to be on this team comprised of the anti-Sammy. These guys play good, sound baseball and play the game the way it's supposed to be played. That's what brought them back from 8.5 games. There's not a selfish player on this team.

 

LOU CHANGED THE CULTURE FOR A REASON. It's because of LOSERS like Sosa that this change was needed on the North Side. It's completely contradictory to think that Sammy makes any sense with this group of players or with the man who has led them to this point - and to me - it's a bit of an insult.

 

You can't be serious.

 

This argument is absurd. Do you think that "loser" Sammy Sosa in his prime (1998-2002) would not help this team?

 

If you don't, I'm not sure what to say.

 

 

 

How many teams did he help in that period? How many times was LOSER Sammy in the playoffs?

 

You are an...whoops I mean...That post is an idiot.

 

No. No. No. No. This is completely inappropriate, and you darn well know it. Do NOT derail threads with this kid of garbage. You know better. "Bending the rules" so to speak to insult a poster is not acceptable. Consider yourself warned and on seriously thin ice.

 

To the rest of you: there will be precious little tolerance for trollish behavior or for "bending the rules" to call someone a name.

[brinoch]

I didn't read this thread, but I'm going to assume the people that like sammy are ridiculing those that don't in a holier than thou manner.

 

Not really. You should read the thread. It's pretty funny.

 

No. It's really not.

[Soriano12]

It's time to let go folks. He's never going to be a Cub again. Nothing he's done since leaving the Cubs, quite literally, warrants his return - no matter how quiet his yap has been since leaving.

 

He doesn't deserve to be on this team comprised of the anti-Sammy. These guys play good, sound baseball and play the game the way it's supposed to be played. That's what brought them back from 8.5 games. There's not a selfish player on this team.

 

LOU CHANGED THE CULTURE FOR A REASON. It's because of LOSERS like Sosa that this change was needed on the North Side. It's completely contradictory to think that Sammy makes any sense with this group of players or with the man who has led them to this point - and to me - it's a bit of an insult.

 

You can't be serious.

 

This argument is absurd. Do you think that "loser" Sammy Sosa in his prime (1998-2002) would not help this team?

 

If you don't, I'm not sure what to say.

 

 

 

How many teams did he help in that period? How many times was LOSER Sammy in the playoffs?

 

You are an...whoops I mean...That post is an idiot.

 

No. No. No. No. This is completely inappropriate, and you darn well know it. Do NOT derail threads with this kid of garbage. You know better. "Bending the rules" so to speak to insult a poster is not acceptable. Consider yourself warned and on seriously thin ice.

 

To the rest of you: there will be precious little tolerance for trollish behavior or for "bending the rules" to call someone a name.

 

That is insane...look at the garbage about Sosa he was spewing in this thread...it was off the wall...hell if I was at Wrigley Field and heard someone spout that crap I would have the same response.

[brinoch]

I just remembered why I stopped coming over to this I'm Overcompensating snob board. Later know-it-alls.

 

Could this be interpreted as attacking the poster (well, all of the posters) and not the post?

 

Oh, and if I had a choice between answering the Santo Williams Banks etc question or just bailing I think I'd vote with my feet as well.

 

probably, but this was used against the same poster

 

You are an...whoops I mean...That post is an idiot.

 

which demonstrates the absurdity at how the no attacking rule is interpreted and enforced.

 

I don't know what you are interpreting, but that is clearly attacking the post and not the poster.

 

No. You attacked the poster. Thanks for playing.

[brinoch]

I'll admit it. I laughed at the line. It was predictable but pretty good.

 

Probably uncalled for, though. We could've easily attacked his arguments without any personal insults.

 

Yes. You could have. And what occurred in this thread was completely out of line and against the rules of the board. Those who participated know better, and its the kind of behavior that was displayed that has lead to recent crack downs.

[David]

I'll admit it. I laughed at the line. It was predictable but pretty good.

 

Probably uncalled for, though. We could've easily attacked his arguments without any personal insults.

 

Yes. You could have. And what occurred in this thread was completely out of line and against the rules of the board. Those who participated know better, and its the kind of behavior that was displayed that has lead to recent crack downs.

 

To be fair, I really don't see how anything in this argument was out of line outside of what Soriano said and my subsequent LOL.

 

Everything else was within the guidelines of attacking the argument and not the poster, IMO.

[Soul]

I'd be floored if the Cubs brought him back. Partly in a good way because I would like to see Sosa end his days as a Cub. But also partly in a bad way, because I do believe Murton is rotting away and I would really like to know if he is a long term answer or not for this ballclub. And the only way to find out is to play the guy.

[brinoch]

It's time to let go folks. He's never going to be a Cub again. Nothing he's done since leaving the Cubs, quite literally, warrants his return - no matter how quiet his yap has been since leaving.

 

He doesn't deserve to be on this team comprised of the anti-Sammy. These guys play good, sound baseball and play the game the way it's supposed to be played. That's what brought them back from 8.5 games. There's not a selfish player on this team.

 

LOU CHANGED THE CULTURE FOR A REASON. It's because of LOSERS like Sosa that this change was needed on the North Side. It's completely contradictory to think that Sammy makes any sense with this group of players or with the man who has led them to this point - and to me - it's a bit of an insult.

 

You can't be serious.

 

This argument is absurd. Do you think that "loser" Sammy Sosa in his prime (1998-2002) would not help this team?

 

If you don't, I'm not sure what to say.

 

 

 

How many teams did he help in that period? How many times was LOSER Sammy in the playoffs?

 

You are an...whoops I mean...That post is an idiot.

 

No. No. No. No. This is completely inappropriate, and you darn well know it. Do NOT derail threads with this kid of garbage. You know better. "Bending the rules" so to speak to insult a poster is not acceptable. Consider yourself warned and on seriously thin ice.

 

To the rest of you: there will be precious little tolerance for trollish behavior or for "bending the rules" to call someone a name.

 

That is insane...look at the garbage about Sosa he was spewing in this thread...it was off the wall...hell if I was at Wrigley Field and heard someone spout that crap I would have the same response.

 

I don't care. You know the guidelines. And you broke them. You've shown no remorse over it; rather, you think it's funny. I don't care if you think his post is ridiculous and absurd. Debate the points made using evidence and your own thoughts, without resorting to the not-so-clever "this post is an idiot" garbage. Let me be clear:

 

INSULTS WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.

 

Clear enough for you?

[Soriano12]

Sammy Sosa is a hero to me and to hear someone call him a loser, is a personal attack against me. It should not be tolerated. People need to be sensitive of my feelings.