Statistics I'd Like to See Kept....

[PackLandVA]

I don't know if these types of statistics are kept or not, but I'd like to see them discussed more often:

 

 

Inherited Runners ERA - for relievers

 

"1-out" Saves, "2-out" Saves....all the way to "2-Inning" Saves - saves can be such a 'fraud' statistic

 

"Saves when leading by 1, 2 or 3 Runs"

 

ERA for Starters when team is leading by 5+ runs - I would think sometimes a starter would pitch more freely in game when his team has a big lead.

 

 

 

Any comments or other stats not kept you'd like to see?

Edited July 13, 2007 by PackLandVA

[Wilson A2000]

The Neifi factor

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Inherited ERA is an impossibility.

[PackLandVA]

Inherited ERA is an impossibility.

 

I fixed it: Inherited Runner ERA

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Inherited ERA is an impossibility.

 

I fixed it: Inherited Runner ERA

 

No, I knew what you meant, you still can't do it. Well, I shouldn't say that. You can, but it wouldn't have any value because people have different amount of inherited runners.

[PackLandVA]

Well maybe "ERA" isn't the correct term. Basically a stat that shows the # of runners inherited a reliever allows to score. I guess instead of "ERA", it could be a "% Inherited Runners Scored".

 

Of course, then there's the scenario of allowing runners not to score, but rather, allowing them to move up a base and being in better scoring position for the next pitcher.

[Mephistopheles]

For the BP fans: There is already a (good) stat that deals with inherited runners. It's called Fair RA. It's used for starters and relievers. Basically it looks at run expectancy when the reliever (or starter) enters the game and then the runs + run expectancy when the reliever leaves the game. For instance, if Zambrano starts the eighth inning with a walk, a strikeout and then is pulled in favor of Bob Howry. The situation is a runner on first with one out. The run expectancy for this situation is .573 runs, so Zambrano's credited with .573 runs towards his Fair RA.

 

Now look at two cases.

 

Case A: Howry lets up a home run to the next hitter and then is replaced by Scott Eyre. The situation is one out and no runners on, a run expectancy of .297. Howry is credited with 2 + .297 - .573 (Zambrano's portion in the inning) = 1.724 runs on his fair RA.

 

Case B: Howry finishes the inning with no one scoring. This run expectancy is obviously zero and Howry would be credited with -.573 runs to his Fair RA. Yes, negative runs (subtracted).

 

Obviously it's not perfect. Better pitchers are more likely to stop their runners from scoring than others, but it's good. In general the difference for this for a SPs RA is about 4 runs at the extremes, usually under 1 or 2.

[IWU_CUBS_FAN]

dont they already talk about this with relievers....ive heard them refer to inherited runners allowed to score...it isn't an era just whoever was on when they came did they come in or not and they turn it into a percentage

 

i.e. Scott Eyre has allowed 100% of inherited runners to score this year

[pitchcs]

I don't know if these types of statistics are kept or not, but I'd like to see them discussed more often:

 

 

Inherited Runners ERA - for relievers

 

"1-out" Saves, "2-out" Saves....all the way to "2-Inning" Saves - saves can be such a 'fraud' statistic

 

"Saves when leading by 1, 2 or 3 Runs"

 

ERA for Starters when team is leading by 5+ runs - I would think sometimes a starter would pitch more freely in game when his team has a big lead.

 

 

 

Any comments or other stats not kept you'd like to see?

 

 

When you say "freely" do you mean a pitcher pitches better or worse when his team is leading by 5+ ? I would assume a starters ERA is much higher with a big lead since they typically just throw strikes and try to get quick outs.

[PackLandVA]

When you say "freely" do you mean a pitcher pitches better or worse when his team is leading by 5+ ? I would assume a starters ERA is much higher with a big lead since they typically just throw strikes and try to get quick outs.

 

Yes. With a big lead, I think pitchers in general are more likely to go after hitters, throw strikes, not nibble. With men on base, the pitcher is less likely to be concerned about a run or two scoring as opposed to getting outs.

 

Example A: Cubs up 8-1 in the 7th inning. Opposing team has men on 2nd and 3rd with one out. Pitcher not really concerned about the men on base as he is about the hitter. Any type of out works, regardless of a run scoring or not. Play for outs in hopes of not giving up a big inning.

 

Example B: Cubs up 2-1 in the 7th inning. Opposing team has men on 2nd and 3rd with one out. Pitcher may pitch around the batter setting up DP, look for a K, etc. Pitcher concentrating on not allowing a run to score.

 

 

I think giving up a run or two in example A (which will increase the pitcher's ERA) is far less important than giving up a run or two in exampe B. Both have the same effect on an ERA, but one scenario has a much greater impact on the game.

[PackLandVA]

I would like to see runs scored due to errors by pitchers not considered "unearned". At least not for the pitcher that made the error.

[radarluv1]

I would like to see runs scored due to errors by pitchers not considered "unearned". At least not for the pitcher that made the error.

 

i think wells beautiful outing friday was helped by this.

[BigbadB]

I've seen the stat for inherited runners and the amount that score somewhere. Just don't remember where.

[Ender]

Saves in general are a weak stat regardless of the number of outs you get. Guy comes in with a 3 run lead bases loaded and 2 outs and strikes out one guy. Other guy comes in with a 1 run lead and no outs, he walks the bases loaded but doesn't let in any runs.

 

Which one of those saves was more 'valuable'? They should just do away with the stat so managers go back to using their best guy in the highest leverage situation. Right now managers play to get a save, they don't play to win.

[E.J.]

Saves in general are a weak stat regardless of the number of outs you get. Guy comes in with a 3 run lead bases loaded and 2 outs and strikes out one guy. Other guy comes in with a 1 run lead and no outs, he walks the bases loaded but doesn't let in any runs.

 

Which one of those saves was more 'valuable'? They should just do away with the stat so managers go back to using their best guy in the highest leverage situation. Right now managers play to get a save, they don't play to win.

 

I couldn't agree more. I never understood the value of a save. It doesn't make any sense. Managers should use their best pitcher when it's needed. I would love to see managers stop worrying about having a "closer" and just worry about setting up their bullpen so their pitchers are used in the best situations.

[Guest]

I've seen the stat for inherited runners and the amount that score somewhere. Just don't remember where.

 

Most box scores keep a tally of the inherited runners a reliever has when he comes into a game and how many of those inherited runners actually score.

[moorecg]

I'd like to see a team "loss" stat...in those games where the Starting pitcher goes 7 innings or more and gives up 2 runs or fewer and still gets the "loss" I think that loss should be attributed to the "team"...similarly, if the pitcher goes 6 innings or less and gives up 6 runs or more and the team wins, the "team" gets the win.

[Mephistopheles]

wouldnt a team loss stat already be something called the number of losses the team has? duh....

[UK1679666180]

Any advanced play by play data would be welcomed.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/15/sports/baseball/15score.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

 

This is promising.

[oldcubsfan]

I'd like to see K's w/RISP.