How much trade value does Ronny Cedeno have?

[Amazing_Grace]

No, .330 is not ideal for a 2 hitter, but it's not horrible either.

 

Yes it is horrible. 10 NL teams have an OBP above .330 from the 2 spot. Including the Cubs at .353. If they put up a .330 OBP in the 2 spot the offense would be worse than it is, and it's already not very good.

 

Well, I was thinking of how often the 2 hitter has to take pitches allowing Soriano to steal and make contact for hit and runs when I mentioned the 2 spot. I don't want DLee, Ramirez, or DeRosa hitting 2nd if they're going to be taking strike 2 while Soriano steals 2b. Obviously, the manager doesn't have to hit and run and doesn't have to allow Soriano to steal, but realistically, what manager in baseball is going to do that. Theriot is the best choice for that spot at the moment given the limited choices we have. If we acquire another big bat somewhere, then it would probably be better to hit DeRosa/Fontenot 2nd and Theriot 7/8.

 

I also still don't think there's a SS upgrade that's readily available out there. I've heard all the ARod rumors, and I don't believe for one second that the Cubs are going to take on that much payroll with new ownership coming in. Unless ARod were willing to waive the last three years of his deal (presumably by offering some gentleman's agreement that he'll opt out at season's end), the Cubs will not be acquiring him. Tejada is hurt.

 

The only other realistic option we have at SS is Cedeno, and I'd be fine with putting him and Theriot in a platoon the rest of the year to see who is going to be a good option for next year.

[UBlink]

Well, I was thinking of how often the 2 hitter has to take pitches allowing Soriano to steal and make contact for hit and runs when I mentioned the 2 spot. I don't want DLee, Ramirez, or DeRosa hitting 2nd if they're going to be taking strike 2 while Soriano steals 2b. Obviously, the manager doesn't have to hit and run and doesn't have to allow Soriano to steal, but realistically, what manager in baseball is going to do that. Theriot is the best choice for that spot at the moment given the limited choices we have. If we acquire another big bat somewhere, then it would probably be better to hit DeRosa/Fontenot 2nd and Theriot 7/8.

 

I don't have the sabremetric tools to prove it, but I would guess that from a statistical point of view deliberately taking a 2nd strike so Soriano can try to take 2B is a ridiculous decision. Somebody can point me in the right direction, but I think a player's odds of getting on base with 2 strikes are significantly lower than getting on with 1, and that increased probablility of an out more than offsets the expected value of an attempted stolen base.

[Mephistopheles]

Well, I was thinking of how often the 2 hitter has to take pitches allowing Soriano to steal and make contact for hit and runs when I mentioned the 2 spot. I don't want DLee, Ramirez, or DeRosa hitting 2nd if they're going to be taking strike 2 while Soriano steals 2b. Obviously, the manager doesn't have to hit and run and doesn't have to allow Soriano to steal, but realistically, what manager in baseball is going to do that. Theriot is the best choice for that spot at the moment given the limited choices we have. If we acquire another big bat somewhere, then it would probably be better to hit DeRosa/Fontenot 2nd and Theriot 7/8.

 

I don't have the sabremetric tools to prove it, but I would guess that from a statistical point of view deliberately taking a 2nd strike so Soriano can try to take 2B is a ridiculous decision. Somebody can point me in the right direction, but I think a player's odds of getting on base with 2 strikes are significantly lower than getting on with 1, and that increased probablility of an out more than offsets the expected value of an attempted stolen base.

 

considering that stealing in general is a waste of time it makes no sense to do it with one strike.

[Amazing_Grace]

Well, I was thinking of how often the 2 hitter has to take pitches allowing Soriano to steal and make contact for hit and runs when I mentioned the 2 spot. I don't want DLee, Ramirez, or DeRosa hitting 2nd if they're going to be taking strike 2 while Soriano steals 2b. Obviously, the manager doesn't have to hit and run and doesn't have to allow Soriano to steal, but realistically, what manager in baseball is going to do that. Theriot is the best choice for that spot at the moment given the limited choices we have. If we acquire another big bat somewhere, then it would probably be better to hit DeRosa/Fontenot 2nd and Theriot 7/8.

 

I don't have the sabremetric tools to prove it, but I would guess that from a statistical point of view deliberately taking a 2nd strike so Soriano can try to take 2B is a ridiculous decision. Somebody can point me in the right direction, but I think a player's odds of getting on base with 2 strikes are significantly lower than getting on with 1, and that increased probablility of an out more than offsets the expected value of an attempted stolen base.

 

considering that stealing in general is a waste of time it makes no sense to do it with one strike.

 

I think stealing is a good thing as long as you steal at a rate better than 75%. I seem to remember seeing on this board that 75% is the breakeven point.

[Mephistopheles]

Well, I was thinking of how often the 2 hitter has to take pitches allowing Soriano to steal and make contact for hit and runs when I mentioned the 2 spot. I don't want DLee, Ramirez, or DeRosa hitting 2nd if they're going to be taking strike 2 while Soriano steals 2b. Obviously, the manager doesn't have to hit and run and doesn't have to allow Soriano to steal, but realistically, what manager in baseball is going to do that. Theriot is the best choice for that spot at the moment given the limited choices we have. If we acquire another big bat somewhere, then it would probably be better to hit DeRosa/Fontenot 2nd and Theriot 7/8.

 

I don't have the sabremetric tools to prove it, but I would guess that from a statistical point of view deliberately taking a 2nd strike so Soriano can try to take 2B is a ridiculous decision. Somebody can point me in the right direction, but I think a player's odds of getting on base with 2 strikes are significantly lower than getting on with 1, and that increased probablility of an out more than offsets the expected value of an attempted stolen base.

 

considering that stealing in general is a waste of time it makes no sense to do it with one strike.

 

I think stealing is a good thing as long as you steal at a rate better than 75%. I seem to remember seeing on this board that 75% is the breakeven point.

its gotta be significantly higher when you run the risk of falling behind to two strikes. Also the gains aren't really all that much. If you're working at 90% youd still probably dumb to run on say an 0-1 count forcing the batter to take a pitch. About two-thirds of ML pitches are strikes. I don't like the risk.

[YearofDaCubs]

This morning on ESPN 1000 Levine mentioned that there are 3 teams very interested in Izturis. If indeed Izturis gets traded the Cubs will bring up Cedeno.

[E.J.]

This morning on ESPN 1000 Levine mentioned that there are 3 teams very interested in Izturis. If indeed Izturis gets traded the Cubs will bring up Cedeno.

 

Very interested in Izturis? 3 teams? I'll believe it when I see it. :lol:

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

This morning on ESPN 1000 Levine mentioned that there are 3 teams very interested in Izturis. If indeed Izturis gets traded the Cubs will bring up Cedeno.

 

So, that means three very stupid teams....

[JeffH]

Neither Detroit nor Cleveland has anything resembling a legitimate backup shortstop on its roster.

 

And the way Lugo has played for Boston makes Izturis look like a good option.

[jersey cubs fan]

Neither Detroit nor Cleveland has anything resembling a legitimate backup shortstop on its roster.

 

And the way Lugo has played for Boston makes Izturis look like a good option.

 

If Boston thinks Lugo needs a kick in the butt, trading for Izturis and taking on what amounts to a 1-1.5% jump in payroll for them could do the trick.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

This morning on ESPN 1000 Levine mentioned that there are 3 teams very interested in Izturis. If indeed Izturis gets traded the Cubs will bring up Cedeno.

 

So, that means three very stupid teams....

 

4 if you include the one stupid enough to have him now

[Have a seat, Neifi]

You guys beat me to the obligatory jokes; I was going to say that if true, Hendry is thus officially the 4th worst GM in major league baseball.

[Soul]

There's no way 3 teams are interested in Izturis...

 

Oh wait, they forgot to mention it's 3 MiLB teams. That makes sense now.

[UMFan83]

Neither Detroit nor Cleveland has anything resembling a legitimate backup shortstop on its roster.

 

And the way Lugo has played for Boston makes Izturis look like a good option.

 

I doubt Detroit would trade for a MI from us again after their disasterous Neifi decision.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Neither Detroit nor Cleveland has anything resembling a legitimate backup shortstop on its roster.

 

And the way Lugo has played for Boston makes Izturis look like a good option.

 

I think you could consider Infante legitimate, if Izturis is legitimate than Infante has to be.

[Jazz]

This morning on ESPN 1000 Levine mentioned that there are 3 teams very interested in Izturis. If indeed Izturis gets traded the Cubs will bring up Cedeno.

 

So, that means three very stupid teams....

 

 

or 3 teams really looking to upgrade their D with Izzy.

 

But yeah, 3 stupid teams, since Izzy is mediocre on D ;)

[Mephistopheles]

Maybe Izturis is no more than Hendry moving salary space. He's not very cheap for a bench player and a few contending teams could use an all-glove everywhere defensive player. The Cubs then free up some money which, for once, may matter.