Sign Zambrano ASAP

[PackLandVA]

I know this would never happen, but.....

 

...what about trading him for some solid talent and then (wink, wink)re-signing him to the big FA contract. The Cubs still get Z as their ace and improve the team dramatically with some young talent and/or prospects. There's no guarantee a team that picks him up in a trade is gonna be able to sign him.

 

That's why I'm advocating a trade to Atlanta. I don't think the Braves will re-sign him which at least gives the Cubs a shot at him.

 

If we send him to the Mets or Angels, I'm fairly certain they'd ink him to a long-term deal.

 

Didn't Ponson do that with the O's? If the Cubs are out of it at the break, I'd have a nice sit down with Z and let him know they're going to trade him, but want to sign him back in the offseason. I wonder if Z would be game for that?

 

Is this legal, or is it considered some sort of tampering or something. And I believe you're right. Ponson did get traded and then re-signed with theO's. Of course, he sucked big time that first season and had legal troubles back in Curacao or wherever he's from.

 

Anyway, I'd consider the "trade and re-sign" if the Cubs fall to far out.

[Outshined_One]

So...what happens if the team isn't sold while the Cubs have exclusive negotiating rights with Zambrano?

[Jazz]

I really dont have any confidence that we can resign Zambrano if he gets to the open market. not with hendry at the helm. Sure hes had luck with lee and ramirez. But Zambrano is going to be the best pitcher on the market if he gets there. I could see him getting 150 mil min if he continues to pitch reasonably well.

[nolanwood]

I don't understand why people are pointing at 2 months of this season and a back condition and workload that haven't shown any signs of affecting him in the least as reasons not to sign Carlos to a long contract. What about the fact that he has been one of the top 5 pitchers in baseball for the last 4-5 years? He's a great pitcher. One of the few legit #1 starters out there. And people are wanting to trade him for prospects?

 

I'm not 100% that the Cubs should pay Zambrano $100M for 6 years, but that's much better than trading him for prospects, who may or may not pan out and signing a lesser FA pitcher. If the Cubs are gonna trade Zambrano, they had better get a player under control for at least 3 years and a legit ML ready prospect, unless it's a player like Tex or ARod.

 

My thoughts exactly.

 

Mine as well.

 

You don't give up one of the top pitchers in baseball for propects coming to an organization whose player development is sketchy at best. I haven't heard a single prospect trade idea that makes sense and improves the Cubs more than keeping Z. If you're talking about swapping him for A-rod or another equal value bat, it's a different story.

[Vinestal]

I don't understand why people are pointing at 2 months of this season and a back condition and workload that haven't shown any signs of affecting him in the least as reasons not to sign Carlos to a long contract. What about the fact that he has been one of the top 5 pitchers in baseball for the last 4-5 years? He's a great pitcher. One of the few legit #1 starters out there. And people are wanting to trade him for prospects?

 

I'm not 100% that the Cubs should pay Zambrano $100M for 6 years, but that's much better than trading him for prospects, who may or may not pan out and signing a lesser FA pitcher. If the Cubs are gonna trade Zambrano, they had better get a player under control for at least 3 years and a legit ML ready prospect, unless it's a player like Tex or ARod.

 

My thoughts exactly.

 

Mine as well.

 

You don't give up one of the top pitchers in baseball for propects coming to an organization whose player development is sketchy at best. I haven't heard a single prospect trade idea that makes sense and improves the Cubs more than keeping Z. If you're talking about swapping him for A-rod or another equal value bat, it's a different story.

 

 

 

Trading Zambrano for a ML ready SS that can and will hit, and will be under our control for a long time makes all kinds of sense. Brandon Wood? Sign me up. Is it a little bit of a gamble? Sure, there is no such thing as a "can't miss prospect" but its also a gamble to go into negotiations with a player in an open market with a bunch of teams that are desperate for starting pitching. Id rather have years of offensive production and a guy at SS that looks like he's going to be an all-star than lose Zambrano for nothing. Which is more likely to happen Wood becoming great or Zambrano signing with someone else? My money is on Wood.

[nolanwood]

I don't understand why people are pointing at 2 months of this season and a back condition and workload that haven't shown any signs of affecting him in the least as reasons not to sign Carlos to a long contract. What about the fact that he has been one of the top 5 pitchers in baseball for the last 4-5 years? He's a great pitcher. One of the few legit #1 starters out there. And people are wanting to trade him for prospects?

 

I'm not 100% that the Cubs should pay Zambrano $100M for 6 years, but that's much better than trading him for prospects, who may or may not pan out and signing a lesser FA pitcher. If the Cubs are gonna trade Zambrano, they had better get a player under control for at least 3 years and a legit ML ready prospect, unless it's a player like Tex or ARod.

 

My thoughts exactly.

 

Mine as well.

 

You don't give up one of the top pitchers in baseball for propects coming to an organization whose player development is sketchy at best. I haven't heard a single prospect trade idea that makes sense and improves the Cubs more than keeping Z. If you're talking about swapping him for A-rod or another equal value bat, it's a different story.

 

 

 

Trading Zambrano for a ML ready SS that can and will hit, and will be under our control for a long time makes all kinds of sense. Brandon Wood? Sign me up. Is it a little bit of a gamble? Sure, there is no such thing as a "can't miss prospect" but its also a gamble to go into negotiations with a player in an open market with a bunch of teams that are desperate for starting pitching. Id rather have years of offensive production and a guy at SS that looks like he's going to be an all-star than lose Zambrano for nothing. Which is more likely to happen Wood becoming great or Zambrano signing with someone else? My money is on Wood.

 

Interesting you mention Wood, as I was considering throwing in a dig on Wood in my prior post. I can't logically come to a conclusion that the addition of Brandon Wood at SS and the removal of Z in our rotation is going to make this team any better - also add the fact that Z will be replaced by someone significantly worse and we likely won't see an ace in our staff again for awhile.

 

"Wood is still struggling at Triple-A Salt Lake, hitting .225/.324/.396 with 55 strikeouts in 182 at-bats."

 

If it appears Z is gonna hit free agency, then you HAVE to deal him. However, I'd prefer to lock him up.

[Soul]

I don't understand why people are pointing at 2 months of this season and a back condition and workload that haven't shown any signs of affecting him in the least as reasons not to sign Carlos to a long contract. What about the fact that he has been one of the top 5 pitchers in baseball for the last 4-5 years? He's a great pitcher. One of the few legit #1 starters out there. And people are wanting to trade him for prospects?

 

I'm not 100% that the Cubs should pay Zambrano $100M for 6 years, but that's much better than trading him for prospects, who may or may not pan out and signing a lesser FA pitcher. If the Cubs are gonna trade Zambrano, they had better get a player under control for at least 3 years and a legit ML ready prospect, unless it's a player like Tex or ARod.

 

My thoughts exactly.

 

Mine as well.

 

You don't give up one of the top pitchers in baseball for propects coming to an organization whose player development is sketchy at best. I haven't heard a single prospect trade idea that makes sense and improves the Cubs more than keeping Z. If you're talking about swapping him for A-rod or another equal value bat, it's a different story.

 

 

 

Trading Zambrano for a ML ready SS that can and will hit, and will be under our control for a long time makes all kinds of sense. Brandon Wood? Sign me up. Is it a little bit of a gamble? Sure, there is no such thing as a "can't miss prospect" but its also a gamble to go into negotiations with a player in an open market with a bunch of teams that are desperate for starting pitching. Id rather have years of offensive production and a guy at SS that looks like he's going to be an all-star than lose Zambrano for nothing. Which is more likely to happen Wood becoming great or Zambrano signing with someone else? My money is on Wood.

 

Interesting you mention Wood, as I was considering throwing in a dig on Wood in my prior post. I can't logically come to a conclusion that the addition of Brandon Wood at SS and the removal of Z in our rotation is going to make this team any better - also add the fact that Z will be replaced by someone significantly worse and we likely won't see an ace in our staff again for awhile.

 

"Wood is still struggling at Triple-A Salt Lake, hitting .225/.324/.396 with 55 strikeouts in 182 at-bats."

 

If it appears Z is gonna hit free agency, then you HAVE to deal him. However, I'd prefer to lock him up.

 

I'm torn on it. But right now, it looks as if the Cubs simply won't resign him due to the upcoming sale. If that's really true, then I think they have to deal him for as much as they can get.

[RynoRules]

If they don't intend to sign him they had better deal him. His value is enormous right now. The Red Sox might send us three high-level guys; the Mets would give us Carlos Perez and any pitcher we want, IMO.

[Soul]

If they don't intend to sign him they had better deal him. His value is enormous right now. The Red Sox might send us three high-level guys; the Mets would give us Carlos Perez and any pitcher we want, IMO.

 

Yeah, the Mets. They've got to be a team that would be willing to work with us.

[anabiono]

If they don't intend to sign him they had better deal him. His value is enormous right now. The Red Sox might send us three high-level guys; the Mets would give us Carlos Perez and any pitcher we want, IMO.

 

they have some tasty prospects...i would be all for that!

[RynoRules]

If they don't intend to sign him they had better deal him. His value is enormous right now. The Red Sox might send us three high-level guys; the Mets would give us Carlos Perez and any pitcher we want, IMO.

 

they have some tasty prospects...i would be all for that!

 

Dream scenario:

 

Zambrano to Mets for Martinez and Humber.

 

Cubs re-sign Zambo during offseason after he punches Paul LoDuca in the face.

[killthegoat06]

If they don't intend to sign him they had better deal him. His value is enormous right now. The Red Sox might send us three high-level guys; the Mets would give us Carlos Perez and any pitcher we want, IMO.

 

they have some tasty prospects...i would be all for that!

 

Dream scenario:

 

Zambrano to Mets for Martinez and Humber.

 

Cubs re-sign Zambo during offseason after he punches Paul LoDuca in the face.

:lol:

[killthegoat06]

If they don't intend to sign him they had better deal him. His value is enormous right now. The Red Sox might send us three high-level guys; the Mets would give us Carlos Perez and any pitcher we want, IMO.

 

they have some tasty prospects...i would be all for that!

 

Dream scenario:

 

Zambrano to Mets for Martinez and Humber.

 

Cubs re-sign Zambo during offseason after he punches Paul LoDuca in the face.

 

That actually got me thinking. What stops a team like the Cubs from telling Zambrano that if he wants to be on a winning Cubs team, we'll trade him for good players and then he can sign with us in the offseason? Pride?

[Sarcastic]

If they don't intend to sign him they had better deal him. His value is enormous right now. The Red Sox might send us three high-level guys; the Mets would give us Carlos Perez and any pitcher we want, IMO.

 

they have some tasty prospects...i would be all for that!

 

Dream scenario:

 

Zambrano to Mets for Martinez and Humber.

 

Cubs re-sign Zambo during offseason after he punches Paul LoDuca in the face.

 

That actually got me thinking. What stops a team like the Cubs from telling Zambrano that if he wants to be on a winning Cubs team, we'll trade him for good players and then he can sign with us in the offseason? Pride?

 

Isn't that prohibited by the MLB? Trading a player with an arrangement to resign him in the offseason, I mean?

[killthegoat06]

If they don't intend to sign him they had better deal him. His value is enormous right now. The Red Sox might send us three high-level guys; the Mets would give us Carlos Perez and any pitcher we want, IMO.

 

they have some tasty prospects...i would be all for that!

 

Dream scenario:

 

Zambrano to Mets for Martinez and Humber.

 

Cubs re-sign Zambo during offseason after he punches Paul LoDuca in the face.

 

That actually got me thinking. What stops a team like the Cubs from telling Zambrano that if he wants to be on a winning Cubs team, we'll trade him for good players and then he can sign with us in the offseason? Pride?

 

Isn't that prohibited by the MLB? Trading a player with an arrangement to resign him in the offseason, I mean?

 

Maybe, but how would they find out? :wink:

[soccer10k]

He just turned 26. In 5 years, he will just be ending his prime. You make it sound like he's aging right now.

 

You have to consider where and how much the pitcher has thrown though. Not all 26 year old pitchers are the same. Z has thrown a lot of innings over the past couple years courtesy of Dusty Baker and he's a power pitcher to boot. I'm not saying he will get injured and will get worn down, but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised.

[soccer10k]

There is no reason for the Cubs to sign Z right now. He's pitching well and he knows that he's pitching for a contract next year. So as long as he's pitching well, he's helping the Cubs and helping his trade value if the Cubs fall out of the race. And if the Cubs actually do make up some serious ground on the Brewers and get into the playoff hunt, they'll have a motivated Z pitching for a big payday.