Barrett's Cub Days Could Be Numbered...

[E.J.]

The same reasons why they would get rid of Barrett, would now be applied to Kendall.

 

1)Old in catcher years.

2)Bad defensively.

3)Struggling offensively.

 

Right now, he's Barrett w/out power.

 

1- He is a FA at years end just like Barrett, so its not a long term solution.

2- He is nowhere near as bad defensively as Barrett. He had 7 PB in 1254 innings last year, and 6 in 544 so far this year. He did throw out 30% last season, but only 19% so far this year in stealing. Would expect that might come up a bit. Barrett is 10 in 852 last year and 8 in 466 this year. 19% and 17% in stealing throws.

3- He is struggling. .533 OPS is horrible. His .709 last year was also not good. But Kendall has always been a 2nd half hitter (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/5562/splits;_ylt=An4oXuknM.zQBd6UKH5LC7SFCLcF?year=career&type=Batting) and he will be going from a 96 ballpark to a 104, so one would expect that his offense might rise as well.

4- We clear the OF out a bit and arent hamstrung by Jones next year.

 

 

Lifetime #s for Kendall in Wrigley:

Wrigley Field 51 179 28 50 12 2 2 28 18 17 2 4 .279 .378 .402 .780

 

I still fail to see how Kendall is such an upgrade over Barrett. He's much worse offensively, his OPS is horrific, and he's just as bad defensively. He can't throw out runners any better than Barrett can, and he's having just as much trouble with PB and errors as well.

 

Kendall is an old catcher who's declining very quickly.

[Rob]

But then we have Jason Kendall.

 

Yep, an upgrade at Catcher for us. We then trade Barrett to the AL.

 

Clears 2 problems with 1 stone.

 

No amount of wishcasting is going to have Kendall doing enough over the rest of the season to even come close to being as good as Barrett. The extremely slight defensive upgrade comes at a huge cost on offense, even if Barrett is struggling offensively.

 

Kendall has fallen off the cliff... there's no climbing back up for him.

[sunnydoo]

he's having just as much trouble with PB and errors as well.

 

Barrett is avg a PB every 58 innings, Kendall every 90 innings. Thats a bit of difference. NL Avg for starters is almost 124 innings per PB.

 

And again its not the long term solution. it is ridding ourselves of 2 albatross no later than the end of the year, instead of letting the Jones thing drag on forever.

[XZero771679666304]

Barrett > Kendall

[Sarcastic]

he's having just as much trouble with PB and errors as well.

 

Barrett is avg a PB every 58 innings, Kendall every 90 innings. Thats a bit of difference. NL Avg for starters is almost 124 innings per PB.

 

And again its not the long term solution. it is ridding ourselves of 2 albatross no later than the end of the year, instead of letting the Jones thing drag on forever.

 

How can either Jones or Barrett be counted as albatrosses? Barrett's salary is pretty low for a starting catcher, and should we decide to go another direction, we don't own him anything after this year. Jones' salary is a bit higher, but also nothing that is going to tie down a team with a $100 million payroll, and he only has one more year on his contract. I'd like to get Jones of the payroll next year, but Barrett can hardly be called an albatross.

 

EDIT: Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't Barrett and Jones only making about $4 million and $6 million (next year), respectively? Barrett's contract is actually pretty cheap. Jones' I'd like to get rid of, but it isn't worth downgrading a position to do it.

Edited June 19, 2007 by Sarcastic

[Guest]

he's having just as much trouble with PB and errors as well.

 

Barrett is avg a PB every 58 innings, Kendall every 90 innings. Thats a bit of difference. NL Avg for starters is almost 124 innings per PB.

 

And again its not the long term solution. it is ridding ourselves of 2 albatross no later than the end of the year, instead of letting the Jones thing drag on forever.

 

How are either of Barrett or Jones an albatross??

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I like how we're using passed balls per inning as an important measure of catcher defense.

[sunnydoo]

How are either of Barrett or Jones an albatross??

 

Jones is still due 7.8M, including 5.6M next year. I can think of a lot better uses for 5.6M dollars player wise.

 

Barrett is a liability b/c of his defense and lack of production this season. He is a FA at seasons end and probably wont re-sign with us (thank God). We should cash in and get what we can for him now.

 

Kendall is not a long term solution. We just get by with him offensively, but he still has a better skill set defensively than Barrett. He also would likely bring us a Type B pick in next years draft when we would lose him to FA at seasons end. So in essence we lose Jones, Barrett, and a B prospect for Kendall, a Type B pick, and whatever we get for Barrett.

[Sarcastic]

How are either of Barrett or Jones an albatross??

 

Jones is still due 7.8M, including 5.6M next year. I can think of a lot better uses for 5.6M dollars player wise.

 

Barrett is a liability b/c of his defense and lack of production this season. He is a FA at seasons end and probably wont re-sign with us (thank God). We should cash in and get what we can for him now.

 

Kendall is not a long term solution. We just get by with him offensively, but he still has a better skill set defensively than Barrett. He also would likely bring us a Type B pick in next years draft when we would lose him to FA at seasons end. So in essence we lose Jones, Barrett, and a B prospect for Kendall, a Type B pick, and whatever we get for Barrett.

 

The amount of money you are talking about saving for next year (Jones' 5.6 mil) does not justify downgrading a position so severely. As much as you may hate Barrett, he is a much better player than Kendall. Considering that his value is probably down due to his poor performance this season, I doubt we get anything that makes trading him worthwhile.

[tkenm356]

I posted it in another thread a few days ago...

 

As of June 13th (when I originally wrote it)

In the National League this year, Michael Barrett is.....

 

The Good:

 

1st in HR

T-3rd in RBI

5th in R

T-6th in H

4th in TB

T-4th in BB

4th in SLG

4th in OPS

 

 

The Bad:

10th in OBP

10th in AVG

 

His average and OBP is low, but is consistently in the Top 5 of most offensive categories for catchers in the NL. I don't think he's doing that awful on offense. Defense is another story, but offensively he's not as terrible as people are making him out to be. Compared to what great hitters should be, yeah, he's terrible, but think about the position he plays and what the other catchers in the league are doing. He's above average in that regard offensively. I think that = a good bargaining chip

[Guest]

How are either of Barrett or Jones an albatross??

 

Jones is still due 7.8M, including 5.6M next year. I can think of a lot better uses for 5.6M dollars player wise.

 

Barrett is a liability b/c of his defense and lack of production this season. He is a FA at seasons end and probably wont re-sign with us (thank God). We should cash in and get what we can for him now.

 

Kendall is not a long term solution. We just get by with him offensively, but he still has a better skill set defensively than Barrett. He also would likely bring us a Type B pick in next years draft when we would lose him to FA at seasons end. So in essence we lose Jones, Barrett, and a B prospect for Kendall, a Type B pick, and whatever we get for Barrett.

 

Do you know what albatross means? I don't see how Barrett is any type of an albatross and for a team with a $100 M+ salary, Jones isn't an albatross.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Barrett

 

2004: 20.1 LD%, .306 BABIP

2005: 23.8 LD%, .291 BABIP

2006: 19.6 LD%, .311 BABIP

2007: 18.7 LD%, .267 BABIP

[sunnydoo]

Do you know what albatross means? I don't see how Barrett is any type of an albatross and for a team with a $100 M+ salary, Jones isn't an albatross.

 

Albatross- Def 2 from American Heritage...A constant worrisome burden or an obstacle to success....perfecto for Jones and Barrett. http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/albatross

 

Our Payroll is 99,936,999 which ranks 8th http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/salaries?team=chc. Jones is the 6th highest paid Cub, almost 6% of the payroll, and spends most of his time watching the world go by on the bench. He is hitting a rocking 235/294/626. On top of that he is left handed in a position where the other 2 guys he is competing with are both left handed, so platooning is an issue. Its also a case where he may just be a better fit for the AL as opposed to the NL, so trading him makes sense. You also have a natural replacement already ready at Iowa who could be used in a platoon situation. I dont understand how you can defend Jones at all.

 

As for Barrett, his defense is god awful. He has struggled at the plate all year. He is not coming back next year. And he may or may not be a clubhouse cancer. Get what you can get and move on.

[baseball7897]

Barrett

 

2004: 20.1 LD%, .306 BABIP

2005: 23.8 LD%, .291 BABIP

2006: 19.6 LD%, .311 BABIP

2007: 18.7 LD%, .267 BABIP

 

Kendall

 

2004: 20.7 LD%, .340 BABIP

2005: 22.0 LD%, .290 BABIP

2006: 23.9 LD%, .326 BABIP

2007: 19.5 LD%, .249 BABIP

 

Pretty similiar.

[Amazing_Grace]

Barrett

 

2004: 20.1 LD%, .306 BABIP

2005: 23.8 LD%, .291 BABIP

2006: 19.6 LD%, .311 BABIP

2007: 18.7 LD%, .267 BABIP

 

Wow, seems like Barrett has had a lucky year followed by an unlucky year for four seasons. Do you think the BABIP will stay that low or come back up? I'm not terribly familiar with the correlation of LD% to BABIP so I can't tell which years are the bigger outliers. Mind filling me in?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Barrett

 

2004: 20.1 LD%, .306 BABIP

2005: 23.8 LD%, .291 BABIP

2006: 19.6 LD%, .311 BABIP

2007: 18.7 LD%, .267 BABIP

 

Kendall

 

2004: 20.7 LD%, .340 BABIP

2005: 22.0 LD%, .290 BABIP

2006: 23.9 LD%, .326 BABIP

2007: 19.5 LD%, .249 BABIP

 

Pretty similiar.

 

Missing the point. Barrett has been unlucky this year, he's a very good bit to improve offensively for the remainder of the year, as evidenced by his .831 OPS this month. Barrett's line if/when his BABIP evens out: ~.285/.340/.480

 

Kendall, on the other hand, will still be an offensive wasteland even if/when his BABIP evens out. If his BABIP jumps up to .300, he'll still be about .275/.315/.340(and that SLG/IsoP is very generous considering Kendall's past), which is awful and well below what Barrett is even at now.

[Keener98]

The same reasons why they would get rid of Barrett, would now be applied to Kendall.

 

1)Old in catcher years.

2)Bad defensively.

3)Struggling offensively.

 

Right now, he's Barrett w/out power.

 

1- He is a FA at years end just like Barrett, so its not a long term solution.

2- He is nowhere near as bad defensively as Barrett. He had 7 PB in 1254 innings last year, and 6 in 544 so far this year. He did throw out 30% last season, but only 19% so far this year in stealing. Would expect that might come up a bit. Barrett is 10 in 852 last year and 8 in 466 this year. 19% and 17% in stealing throws.

3- He is struggling. .533 OPS is horrible. His .709 last year was also not good. But Kendall has always been a 2nd half hitter (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/5562/splits;_ylt=An4oXuknM.zQBd6UKH5LC7SFCLcF?year=career&type=Batting) and he will be going from a 96 ballpark to a 104, so one would expect that his offense might rise as well.

4- We clear the OF out a bit and arent hamstrung by Jones next year.

 

 

Lifetime #s for Kendall in Wrigley:

Wrigley Field 51 179 28 50 12 2 2 28 18 17 2 4 .279 .378 .402 .780

 

What the hell does this have to do with anything? You have a weak argument as is, and then throw something like that in even makes your argument even more invalid. Lifetime stats at a ballpark mean jack squat, just ask Jeff Blauser

[Chocolate Milk]

Barrett

 

2004: 20.1 LD%, .306 BABIP

2005: 23.8 LD%, .291 BABIP

2006: 19.6 LD%, .311 BABIP

2007: 18.7 LD%, .267 BABIP

 

Kendall

 

2004: 20.7 LD%, .340 BABIP

2005: 22.0 LD%, .290 BABIP

2006: 23.9 LD%, .326 BABIP

2007: 19.5 LD%, .249 BABIP

 

Pretty similiar.

 

Missing the point. Barrett has been unlucky this year, he's a very good bit to improve offensively for the remainder of the year, as evidenced by his .831 OPS this month. Barrett's line if/when his BABIP evens out: ~.285/.340/.480

 

Kendall, on the other hand, will still be an offensive wasteland even if/when his BABIP evens out. If his BABIP jumps up to .300, he'll still be about .275/.315/.340(and that SLG/IsoP is very generous considering Kendall's past), which is awful and well below what Barrett is even at now.

 

Yup.

[Chocolate Milk]

But then we have Jason Kendall.

 

Yep, an upgrade at Catcher for us. We then trade Barrett to the AL.

 

Clears 2 problems with 1 stone.

 

This has to be shtick. No rational human being could possibly think this.

[sunnydoo]

This has to be shtick. No rational human being could possibly think this.

 

More numbers for ya:

 

Win Shares (actual)

Year Tm Lg Batting Pitching Fielding WSP WSAB Total WS CWS

Kendall 2007 OAK AL -1.3 0.0 2.9 .129 -3 2 203

Barrett 2007 CHN NL 1.7 0.0 0.9 .214 -2 3 86

 

 

Marcels (estimations)

2007 0.87 581 514 69 148 25 1 3 49 9 5 48 49 .288 .361 .358 .719

2007 0.82 457 410 54 118 28 4 16 58 1 3 36 58 .288 .349 .493 .842

 

I am really starting to think you guys dont like defense. All you ever talk about is OPS. Why dont you like the defense?

Edited June 19, 2007 by sunnydoo

[A New Era]

Barret likes to give team mates "man massages". You see that? He sensuously rubs their necks with his thumb and pointer finger. Yuck!! That enough reason to get rid of him right there buddy!

 

:lol:

[Transmogrified Tiger]

This has to be shtick. No rational human being could possibly think this.

 

More numbers for ya:

 

Win Shares (actual)

Year Tm Lg Batting Pitching Fielding WSP WSAB Total WS CWS

Kendall 2007 OAK AL -1.3 0.0 2.9 .129 -3 2 203

Barrett 2007 CHN NL 1.7 0.0 0.9 .214 -2 3 86

 

 

Marcels (estimations)

2007 0.87 581 514 69 148 25 1 3 49 9 5 48 49 .288 .361 .358 .719

2007 0.82 457 410 54 118 28 4 16 58 1 3 36 58 .288 .349 .493 .842

 

I am really starting to think you guys dont like defense. All you ever talk about is OPS. Why dont you like the defense?

 

You do understand you're talking about Jason Kendall in a defensive "grass is greener" situation, don't you?

[Guest]

But then we have Jason Kendall.

 

Yep, an upgrade at Catcher for us. We then trade Barrett to the AL.

 

Clears 2 problems with 1 stone.

 

This has to be shtick. No rational human being could possibly think this.

 

It's sunny...

[bobbyd20]

I wouldnt settle for anything less than Hawpe, Holliday and Larry Walker in his prime. Think they might throw in Bichette, too?

 

i'd have to say no unless we also get a pre-cancer Big Cat

 

um, are we forgetting we need a catcher in return? Kirt Manwaring plz

 

Maybe we could get Neifi back too. He saved us in '04 (or was it '05) and we could use a little saving right about now.

[sunnydoo]

It's sunny...

 

Yep. The one who doesnt drink the Kool Aid. See also my CP fan club. CP was a bum then, he is a bum now.

 

Barrett needs to go somewhere where he can play first or be the DH, he is just too much of a defensive liability...almost Dunn-like. :lol: