Rotoworld: Cubs trying to get rid of Jones

[Soriano12]

There are 64 major league outfielders with enough plate appearances to qualify for the batting title.

 

Jacque is number 62.

 

Three of the bottom four have been employed as regular outfielders by the Chicago Cubs at some point within the past five years.

 

Dare I ask the other 2 names?

[JeffH]

Juan Pierre and Corey Patterson.

 

Coco Crisp is the other.

[Soriano12]

One of Hendry's biggest failures as GM has been his inablity to replace the corner OF power void created by departures of Alou and Sosa.(Up until the Soriano signing of course)

 

Hollandsworth? Burnitz? Jock Jones? Come on. Granted I really think he wanted Beltran, but was not given the resources needed by Andy 'Fail.

[Jazz]

I honestly think if Jones and Izzy could be traded, they would have been by now. But there just isn't a market for sucky players =\

 

Just DFA the bums and get it over with.

[St.Paul Cub]

One of Hendry's biggest failures as GM has been his inablity to replace the corner OF power void created by departures of Alou and Sosa.(Up until the Soriano signing of course)

 

Hollandsworth? Burnitz? Jock Jones? Come on. Granted I really think he wanted Beltran, but was not given the resources needed by Andy 'Fail.

 

I totally agree. I thought Jones could be a useful player as a 4th OF with his lefthanded bat and ability to play all 3 spots (I didn't say play well), but we overpaid for him big time. If he was making $1million and filling in every few games for Pie, Murton, and Soriano I wouldn't really care. But, he's starting, not producing and playing horrible defense. I'd eat part of the salary and trade him for anyone in the Rockies organization if that were possible.

[JeffH]

But there just isn't a market for sucky players.

 

The Chicago National League Ball Club!

[Post Count Padder]

Benmaller.com is reporting:

 

The Los Angeles Dodgers designated Brady Clark, an outfielder the Rockies liked this past winter, for assignment. He bats right-handed, and the Rockies' current need is for a left-handed bat off the bench..

 

 

A left-handed bat off the bench sounds a lot like Jones. Pay part of his salary and take some low prospect from the Rockies.

I'll do it. Just get him outta here.

[Amazing_Grace]

There are 64 major league outfielders with enough plate appearances to qualify for the batting title.

 

Jacque is number 62.

 

Three of the bottom four have been employed as regular outfielders by the Chicago Cubs at some point within the past five years.

 

Hmmmm. Hollandsworth and Burnitz are both out of baseball soooo..

Patterson has to be one of them. The other one must be either Pierre or Sarge Jr.

[Amazing_Grace]

Juan Pierre and Corey Patterson.

 

Coco Crisp is the other.

 

aha, and I got it right without even looking at this post.

[jyoung55]

Juan Pierre and Corey Patterson.

 

Coco Crisp is the other.

 

aha, and I got it right without even looking at this post.

 

Yea but you mentioned little sarge so that kinda negates what you got right.

[Coach C]

Just DFA Jones and Izturis, please.

[CubmanPi]

Just DFA Jones and Izturis, please.

Option 1 - Shop them like a madman, hope we get midlevel prospects in return. No team in baseball is desperate enough or pessimistic enough to take on the trade until the deadline though, so we have to put up with them for another 6 weeks in the hopes that the prospect we get in return pans out. There is also the risk that there are no takers, making the wait completely worthless instead of only mostly worthless.

 

Option 2 - DFA them both now. Six less weeks of putting up with them, and prospects that already have proven they at least deserve a shot get said shot.

 

I think you're onto something there.

[Post Count Padder]

Jones and Izzy really have no place on this team anymore. Theriot and Fontenot can more than handle shortstop and the OF is crowded. Oust both of them.

[soccer10k]

Just DFA Jones and Izturis, please.

Option 1 - Shop them like a madman, hope we get midlevel prospects in return. No team in baseball is desperate enough or pessimistic enough to take on the trade until the deadline though, so we have to put up with them for another 6 weeks in the hopes that the prospect we get in return pans out. There is also the risk that there are no takers, making the wait completely worthless instead of only mostly worthless.

 

Option 2 - DFA them both now. Six less weeks of putting up with them, and prospects that already have proven they at least deserve a shot get said shot.

 

I think you're onto something there.

 

I don't know about you but I don't really care if the prospect pans out. As long as it means either of the two is gone, that's enough for me.

 

I will say that I'm much more eager to get rid of Jones solely because his contract includes the 2008 season. While it's possible that Hendry will, for some unknown and likely stupid reason, pick up Izturis' option for 2008, it isn't a lock. We KNOW Jones has a contract for 2008. If given a choice I would get rid of Jones over Izturis immediately. That and the fact that we have a more talented clone of Jones in Cliff Floyd.

[mhuber92211]

Just a thought but after watching the Padres (and living near SD) I think Jones would be a fit in SD. It is his hometown, the field plays to him in that he can rack up doubles and the Pads need an OF.

 

The money for 08 shouldn't be an issue. Jones makes a pretty manageable salary even for a smaller market, but SD has some money available.

 

I would love to get Tim Stauffer ( pipe dream probably) but this seems like a good fit team wise.

[Guest]

Just a thought but after watching the Padres (and living near SD) I think Jones would be a fit in SD. It is his hometown, the field plays to him in that he can rack up doubles and the Pads need an OF.

 

The money for 08 shouldn't be an issue. Jones makes a pretty manageable salary even for a smaller market, but SD has some money available.

 

I would love to get Tim Stauffer ( pipe dream probably) but this seems like a good fit team wise.

 

Why would you want Stauffer? His numbers have regressed, his stuff is mediocre at best and he's struggling for his second straight season at AAA.

 

Granted, I'd do it to get rid of Jones...but Stauffer isn't good.

[NewUserName]

I have come to a sad reality on Jacque Jones. He will be a Cub through next season. Noone is going to take on his salary. We would have to eat most of it to just get someone to take him, let alone give us something in return.

 

If we just release or trade him we still have to pay his salary. The Cubs are already committed to 81 million next season. Hendry will gamble that Jones turns around and starts to perform like he did last year. To him this will be a better gamble than someone else in our system who will be paid the minimum since we wont be able to afford a Free Agent. What is really sad is that Hendry has run the team into this sandbar. It probably is a better gamble to go with Jones than his other options.

[Amazing_Grace]

I have come to a sad reality on Jacque Jones. He will be a Cub through next season. Noone is going to take on his salary. We would have to eat most of it to just get someone to take him, let alone give us something in return.

 

If we just release or trade him we still have to pay his salary. The Cubs are already committed to 81 million next season. Hendry will gamble that Jones turns around and starts to perform like he did last year. To him this will be a better gamble than someone else in our system who will be paid the minimum since we wont be able to afford a Free Agent. What is really sad is that Hendry has run the team into this sandbar. It probably is a better gamble to go with Jones than his other options.

 

Nope, the best thing to do is trade Jones and pay as much of his deal as you have to to get it done. My logic is as follows: 1.) Right now Jones is of very little, if any, value to this team over the long or short term 2.) The value of players is not absolute and fixed, but rather relative to the needs of the team and the other personnel in the organization, therefore teams place differing amounts of value on players. 3.) The money in Jones's contract will be paid by the Cubs organization if he is not traded, whether he plays or not, therefore his salary is incidental to the question. The question the Cubs ought to be asking is this. Can I trade Jones to a team and have them pick up any amount of his contract, and if so, is the value of having Jones on the team greater or less than the value of the money I will have saved? If the value of the money is greater than Jones value to the team, then he should be traded. Jones long-term value to the team is very low considering that we can move Soriano to right or teach Murton over the long term. His short term value is even less because of Floyd, and the fact Theriot and Fontenot have played well enough to allow DeRosa to play RF fairly often. So, if a team takes even 2M of Jones's 6M next year, then the Cubs are better off, because they've turned something that was worth less than 2M to them, and gotten something more valuable, 2M, in return.

 

Somebody would pay Jones 2M as a fourth outfielder, particularly if they think, as they well might, a change of scenery could bring him back to his .750ish OPS form. I believe ultimately he will be traded, if only to save some small amount of cash, because his value to the Cubs organization right now is probably close to zero.

[NewUserName]

I have come to a sad reality on Jacque Jones. He will be a Cub through next season. Noone is going to take on his salary. We would have to eat most of it to just get someone to take him, let alone give us something in return.

 

If we just release or trade him we still have to pay his salary. The Cubs are already committed to 81 million next season. Hendry will gamble that Jones turns around and starts to perform like he did last year. To him this will be a better gamble than someone else in our system who will be paid the minimum since we wont be able to afford a Free Agent. What is really sad is that Hendry has run the team into this sandbar. It probably is a better gamble to go with Jones than his other options.

 

Nope, the best thing to do is trade Jones and pay as much of his deal as you have to to get it done. My logic is as follows: 1.) Right now Jones is of very little, if any, value to this team over the long or short term 2.) The value of players is not absolute and fixed, but rather relative to the needs of the team and the other personnel in the organization, therefore teams place differing amounts of value on players. 3.) The money in Jones's contract will be paid by the Cubs organization if he is not traded, whether he plays or not, therefore his salary is incidental to the question. The question the Cubs ought to be asking is this. Can I trade Jones to a team and have them pick up any amount of his contract, and if so, is the value of having Jones on the team greater or less than the value of the money I will have saved? If the value of the money is greater than Jones value to the team, then he should be traded. Jones long-term value to the team is very low considering that we can move Soriano to right or teach Murton over the long term. His short term value is even less because of Floyd, and the fact Theriot and Fontenot have played well enough to allow DeRosa to play RF fairly often. So, if a team takes even 2M of Jones's 6M next year, then the Cubs are better off, because they've turned something that was worth less than 2M to them, and gotten something more valuable, 2M, in return.

 

Somebody would pay Jones 2M as a fourth outfielder, particularly if they think, as they well might, a change of scenery could bring him back to his .750ish OPS form. I believe ultimately he will be traded, if only to save some small amount of cash, because his value to the Cubs organization right now is probably close to zero.

 

 

I dont disagree with you. I just think that Hendry does. I really think to him he would rather keep Jones and pay his salary and gamble that he returns to last years form. As opposed to trade him and pay most of his salary and rely on Murton or someone else from the system to play right. I think the only way that Jones is moved is if someone takes most of his salary which isnt going to happen.

[sunnydoo]

I would like to get Napoli from the Angels, but they really dont need anything.

[TruffleShuffle]

nobody is going to give up anything of value for jones, izturis or eyre. repeat it until it has sunk in.

[Schwarber Fan]

nobody is going to give up anything of value for jones, izturis or eyre. repeat it until it has sunk in.

 

and I'm just fine with that, which is why they all should just be DFA'd

[NewUserName]

nobody is going to give up anything of value for jones, izturis or eyre. repeat it until it has sunk in.

 

 

Nor is anyone going to take on their large parts of their salaries. This is why they are staying.