Lou's Press Conference

[seanimal]

Barrett is definately being made the scapegoat for this one.

 

The more I think about it, I think Barrett deserves blame! Carlos went up to the clubhouse while MB was on the bench. Obviously, Barrett ended up following Z and a second fight ensued. That was unnecessary.

 

MB has played horribly this year. Hell, his stupidity turned an already bad outing into a rout (coupled with some of the other dumb things he's done in recent games...)

 

Would Barrett have followed Z down there if Z hadn't started the first fight? Or if Lou had taken control?

 

And who knows? Maybe Z was shouting profanities about Barrett's mother from the clubhouse?

 

Long story short, Z at the very least antagonized Barrett and goaded him into the first confrontation. Was Barrett wrong to follow Barrett to the clubhouse? Absolutely. But this wasn't near so much his fault as Lou is pretending it is.

 

How exactly do you propose Lou 'taking control'. Something such as telling Z to get the [heck] out of there and expecting Michael Barrett to behave like a grown man?

[CubinNY]

So two players just got in a fight and there's no one in the clubhouse to seperate them or anything? It's not the players who are idiots.

 

And Barrett definitely doesn't deserve to be the only one to blame, Z does too. Gosh, a bunch of idiots all over the place.

 

And thanks for dropping your trade value, dolts.

 

Right. I takes 2 to make a fight.

 

Z was wrong for talking to Barrett.

Barrett was wrong for point to the scoreboard.

 

They're both dunces.

 

This goes in the lowlights of the 100 year drought.

 

Yea Cobs!

[Geech]

Barrett was wrong for point to the scoreboard.

 

Actually, I think that's completely justified in that situation.

[Rob]

Barrett is definately being made the scapegoat for this one.

 

The more I think about it, I think Barrett deserves blame! Carlos went up to the clubhouse while MB was on the bench. Obviously, Barrett ended up following Z and a second fight ensued. That was unnecessary.

 

MB has played horribly this year. Hell, his stupidity turned an already bad outing into a rout (coupled with some of the other dumb things he's done in recent games...)

 

Would Barrett have followed Z down there if Z hadn't started the first fight? Or if Lou had taken control?

 

And who knows? Maybe Z was shouting profanities about Barrett's mother from the clubhouse?

 

Long story short, Z at the very least antagonized Barrett and goaded him into the first confrontation. Was Barrett wrong to follow Barrett to the clubhouse? Absolutely. But this wasn't near so much his fault as Lou is pretending it is.

 

How exactly do you propose Lou 'taking control'. Something such as telling Z to get the [heck] out of there and expecting Michael Barrett to behave like a grown man?

 

I dunno, send Z off, grab Barrett, give him a good yell to "sit the hell down right there" instead of letting him wander around? Pretty much the same way I take control of my drunk friends when they start fighting? The one that always works?

 

Was Barrett wrong to follow Barrett to the clubhouse?

I've heard of beating yourself, but I haven't heard of following yourself. :D

 

Hey, is it somehow my fault I started drinking mid-game today?

[NCCubFan]

Was Barrett wrong to follow Barrett to the clubhouse?

I've heard of beating yourself, but I haven't heard of following yourself. :D

 

Hey, is it somehow my fault I started drinking mid-game today?

Mr. Hancock would claim it's the Cubs' fault for putting you in a mindframe to get drunk. :D

[Rob]

Was Barrett wrong to follow Barrett to the clubhouse?

I've heard of beating yourself, but I haven't heard of following yourself. :D

 

Hey, is it somehow my fault I started drinking mid-game today?

Mr. Hancock would claim it's the Cubs' fault for putting you in a mindframe to get drunk. :D

 

And the gas stations' fault for selling me a case a week ago when it was obvious from my jersey that I was a Cubs fan.

[Guest]

Any notion of untouchable players is ridiculous.

What are you talking about? The Cubs' roster is full of untouchable players. (From the rest of the league's perspective, of course.)

[Shilzzz]

Barrett was wrong for point to the scoreboard.

 

Actually, I think that's completely justified in that situation.

 

whole situation is avoided if barrett just mans up and takes it.

[seanimal]

Barrett is definately being made the scapegoat for this one.

 

The more I think about it, I think Barrett deserves blame! Carlos went up to the clubhouse while MB was on the bench. Obviously, Barrett ended up following Z and a second fight ensued. That was unnecessary.

 

MB has played horribly this year. Hell, his stupidity turned an already bad outing into a rout (coupled with some of the other dumb things he's done in recent games...)

 

Would Barrett have followed Z down there if Z hadn't started the first fight? Or if Lou had taken control?

 

And who knows? Maybe Z was shouting profanities about Barrett's mother from the clubhouse?

 

Long story short, Z at the very least antagonized Barrett and goaded him into the first confrontation. Was Barrett wrong to follow Barrett to the clubhouse? Absolutely. But this wasn't near so much his fault as Lou is pretending it is.

 

How exactly do you propose Lou 'taking control'. Something such as telling Z to get the [heck] out of there and expecting Michael Barrett to behave like a grown man?

 

I dunno, send Z off, grab Barrett, give him a good yell to "sit the hell down right there" instead of letting him wander around? Pretty much the same way I take control of my drunk friends when they start fighting? The one that always works?

 

Comparing a major league baseball player to your drunk friends isn't really a fitting comparison. Michael Barrett is a grown man and should have known better, hurt pride or not.

 

I just don't see how any blame can be put on Lou for this one. These were two knuckleheads doing knucklehead things, and instead of being adults, they behaved like children.

[seanimal]

Any notion of untouchable players is ridiculous.

What are you talking about? The Cubs' roster is full of untouchable players. (From the rest of the league's perspective, of course.)

 

Zing!

[Geech]

Barrett was wrong for point to the scoreboard.

 

Actually, I think that's completely justified in that situation.

 

whole situation is avoided if barrett just mans up and takes it.

 

Whole situation is avoided if Zambrano isn't a baby, or doesn't try and blame his team for the 13 hits and six earned runs.

[XZero771679666304]

Barrett was wrong for point to the scoreboard.

 

Actually, I think that's completely justified in that situation.

 

whole situation is avoided if barrett just mans up and takes it.

 

Owning your mistakes is one thing, putting up with what Z did is another altogether.

[Guest]

So two players just got in a fight and there's no one in the clubhouse to seperate them or anything? It's not the players who are idiots.

 

And Barrett definitely doesn't deserve to be the only one to blame, Z does too. Gosh, a bunch of idiots all over the place.

 

And thanks for dropping your trade value, dolts.

 

Really, where was Yosh?

[Keener98]

Barrett was wrong for point to the scoreboard.

 

Actually, I think that's completely justified in that situation.

 

whole situation is avoided if barrett just mans up and takes it.

 

Why the hell should he? Z was terrible out there and hes trying to blame others? How bout Z man up and take it that he has sucked all year,, and its nobodys fault but his own. Defenses make mistakes, do your damn job Carlos and it wont matter. Its time for Z to man up and quit being a little crybaby bitch.

[Rob]

So two players just got in a fight and there's no one in the clubhouse to seperate them or anything? It's not the players who are idiots.

 

And Barrett definitely doesn't deserve to be the only one to blame, Z does too. Gosh, a bunch of idiots all over the place.

 

And thanks for dropping your trade value, dolts.

 

Really, where was Yosh?

 

I thought Yosh moved to the visitor's clubhouse.

[NCCubFan]

Barrett was wrong for point to the scoreboard.

 

Actually, I think that's completely justified in that situation.

 

whole situation is avoided if barrett just mans up and takes it.

 

Whole situation is avoided if Zambrano isn't a baby, or doesn't try and blame his team for the 13 hits and six earned runs.

Whole situation is also avoided if Barrett plays like a competent major league catcher rather than committing both a passed ball and an error to allow a run to score, then following Zambrano to the clubhouse for more. Zambrano's mainly to blame, but Barrett isn't innocent here.

[Rob]

Barrett was wrong for point to the scoreboard.

 

Actually, I think that's completely justified in that situation.

 

whole situation is avoided if barrett just mans up and takes it.

 

Whole situation is avoided if Zambrano isn't a baby, or doesn't try and blame his team for the 13 hits and six earned runs.

Whole situation is also avoided if Barrett plays like a competent major league catcher rather than committing both a passed ball and an error to allow a run to score, then following Zambrano to the clubhouse for more. Zambrano's mainly to blame, but Barrett isn't innocent here.

 

I don't think anybody is arguing Barrett is innocent, but it seems to me more of the blame has to fall on Z for this one... and the way it seems Lou is embracing Z's "passion" while sticking it to Barrett is infuriating.

[Geech]

Whole situation is also avoided if Barrett plays like a competent major league catcher rather than committing both a passed ball and an error to allow a run to score, then following Zambrano to the clubhouse for more. Zambrano's mainly to blame, but Barrett isn't innocent here.

 

Do we even know for sure that Barrett is the one that got crossed up on that ball?

[Keener98]

Barrett was wrong for point to the scoreboard.

 

Actually, I think that's completely justified in that situation.

 

whole situation is avoided if barrett just mans up and takes it.

 

Whole situation is avoided if Zambrano isn't a baby, or doesn't try and blame his team for the 13 hits and six earned runs.

Whole situation is also avoided if Barrett plays like a competent major league catcher rather than committing both a passed ball and an error to allow a run to score, then following Zambrano to the clubhouse for more. Zambrano's mainly to blame, but Barrett isn't innocent here.

 

Do you know if it was Z or MB who messed up the sign? Nope nobody does. Runner on 2nd they are using a new set of signs. Sorry but it wouldnt surprise me either way if MB messed it up, or if Z wasnt thinking and was pissed and messed it up.

[Chocolate Milk]

Barrett was wrong for point to the scoreboard.

 

Actually, I think that's completely justified in that situation.

 

whole situation is avoided if barrett just mans up and takes it.

 

Whole situation is avoided if Zambrano isn't a baby, or doesn't try and blame his team for the 13 hits and six earned runs.

Whole situation is also avoided if Barrett plays like a competent major league catcher rather than committing both a passed ball and an error to allow a run to score, then following Zambrano to the clubhouse for more. Zambrano's mainly to blame, but Barrett isn't innocent here.

 

I actually think that Barrett going back into the clubhouse for more is the worst part of this whole issue.

 

However, I can't disagree with you more on the top part. No one likes getting their mistakes pointed out in that manner. Z didn't like it when Barrett pointed to the scoreboard to show Carlos his numerous mistakes from today. Zambrano's actions in the dugout were inexcusable.

[NCCubFan]

Whole situation is also avoided if Barrett plays like a competent major league catcher rather than committing both a passed ball and an error to allow a run to score, then following Zambrano to the clubhouse for more. Zambrano's mainly to blame, but Barrett isn't innocent here.

 

Do we even know for sure that Barrett is the one that got crossed up on that ball?

I don't think anybody knows for sure, but Lou's postgame comments suggested that he thought Barrett was to blame (although that may be a biased thought based on his general feelings toward Barrett). In any case, even if the passed ball wasn't Barrett's fault, the throwing error certainly was.

[Keener98]

Whole situation is also avoided if Barrett plays like a competent major league catcher rather than committing both a passed ball and an error to allow a run to score, then following Zambrano to the clubhouse for more. Zambrano's mainly to blame, but Barrett isn't innocent here.

 

Do we even know for sure that Barrett is the one that got crossed up on that ball?

I don't think anybody knows for sure, but Lou's postgame comments suggested that he thought Barrett was to blame (although that may be a biased thought based on his general feelings toward Barrett). In any case, even if the passed ball wasn't Barrett's fault, the throwing error certainly was.

 

And all the hits Z gave up were his fault so if Z pitched like a competent major league pitcher rather than pitching like hes Scott Eyres twin then all of this is avoided.

[Geech]

I don't think anybody knows for sure, but Lou's postgame comments suggested that he thought Barrett was to blame (although that may be a biased thought based on his general feelings toward Barrett). In any case, even if the passed ball wasn't Barrett's fault, the throwing error certainly was.

 

The throwing error was a relatively minor issue. If the ball doesn't get past him, it's not an issue at all. For that matter, it wouldn't really have been an issue if Zambrano hadn't totally sucked, either. It's certainly not justification for calling Barrett out right there in the dugout.

[NCCubFan]

Zambrano's actions in the dugout were inexcusable.

Agreed; I'm just saying that it takes two to tango and that Barrett gets SOME of the blame. This may be just debating semantics, but my comments started in response to Mizzou's post that it was ALL Zambrano's fault, while I'm saying that it's MAINLY Zambrano's fault, but partially Barrett's as well. I suspect we're really thinking the same but just using different semantics.

[Keener98]

Zambrano's actions in the dugout were inexcusable.

Agreed; I'm just saying that it takes two to tango and that Barrett gets SOME of the blame. This may be just debating semantics, but my comments started in response to Mizzou's post that it was ALL Zambrano's fault, while I'm saying that it's MAINLY Zambrano's fault, but partially Barrett's as well. I suspect we're really thinking the same but just using different semantics.

 

Yea I think Mizzou is bout the only one whos saying its all fault one way.