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CubColtPacer South Bend Cubs

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I wondered if he might have a nagging injury as well, but the most likely answer is that Theriot is going through a cold streak, and DeRosa and Izturis have both played much better than him the past 2 weeks.
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Just wondering why he hasn't played yet in the LA series.

 

I hate to say it, but I beginning to think Theriot might suck. He only appears to be a slightly better hitter then Iz, and he has no range.

 

I would keep Iz at SS and at the 8 spot everyday, and then figure out who the super sub is between Dero and Ryan.

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Just wondering why he hasn't played yet in the LA series.

 

I hate to say it, but I beginning to think Theriot might suck. He only appears to be a slightly better hitter then Iz, and he has no range.

 

I would keep Iz at SS and at the 8 spot everyday, and then figure out who the super sub is between Dero and Ryan.

 

In each of his last 3 seasons in the minors, his OBP was .367, .365, .367. So he's got that going for him, which is a heck of a lot more than Izturis can say.

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Just wondering why he hasn't played yet in the LA series.

 

I hate to say it, but I beginning to think Theriot might suck. He only appears to be a slightly better hitter then Iz, and he has no range.

 

I would keep Iz at SS and at the 8 spot everyday, and then figure out who the super sub is between Dero and Ryan.

 

In each of his last 3 seasons in the minors, his OBP was .367, .365, .367. So he's got that going for him, which is a heck of a lot more than Izturis can say.

 

That translates to, what, .335 in the bigs? Izturis' defense might just be enough to make up that difference. I'd say there's an argument to be made that they are about equal players.

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Just wondering why he hasn't played yet in the LA series.

 

I hate to say it, but I beginning to think Theriot might suck. He only appears to be a slightly better hitter then Iz, and he has no range.

 

I would keep Iz at SS and at the 8 spot everyday, and then figure out who the super sub is between Dero and Ryan.

 

In each of his last 3 seasons in the minors, his OBP was .367, .365, .367. So he's got that going for him, which is a heck of a lot more than Izturis can say.

 

That translates to, what, .335 in the bigs? Izturis' defense might just be enough to make up that difference. I'd say there's an argument to be made that they are about equal players.

 

 

I didnt look today but Izturis OBP is up to something like .325. Which not great is better than Jones and Barrett. He has been quite abit better than Theriot this month. I am not a big fan of Izturis but if he can have a .325 OBP for the year that would be pretty solid if he quits making errors.

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Izturis is a below average defensive player. He has been for a couple years now.

 

Thats BS. He was not anywhere near 'below average' in '05 and he started 17 games in '06. This year he struggled in one or two games, and has been very solid in 35 games.

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Just wondering why he hasn't played yet in the LA series.

 

I hate to say it, but I beginning to think Theriot might suck. He only appears to be a slightly better hitter then Iz, and he has no range.

 

I would keep Iz at SS and at the 8 spot everyday, and then figure out who the super sub is between Dero and Ryan.

 

In each of his last 3 seasons in the minors, his OBP was .367, .365, .367. So he's got that going for him, which is a heck of a lot more than Izturis can say.

 

That translates to, what, .335 in the bigs? Izturis' defense might just be enough to make up that difference. I'd say there's an argument to be made that they are about equal players.

 

 

I didnt look today but Izturis OBP is up to something like .325. Which not great is better than Jones and Barrett. He has been quite abit better than Theriot this month. I am not a big fan of Izturis but if he can have a .325 OBP for the year that would be pretty solid if he quits making errors.

 

I think his defense has gotten a lot better this month also-in April, everybody was cringing about if he'd throw it wide every time. Lately, pretty much every time the throw is right to the glove, with a stronger arm than he showed earlier in the season (although not as strong as he used to have).

 

BTW, his OBP sits at .331 at the end of the day today.

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I was thinking that between Theriot and Izturis the Cubs might have there highest OBP at SS since Ivan DeJesus. I didnt realize that Ricky gueterariz was as good as he was.
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Izturis is a below average defensive player. He has been for a couple years now.

 

Thats BS. He was not anywhere near 'below average' in '05 and he started 17 games in '06. This year he struggled in one or two games, and has been very solid in 35 games.

 

how did he not at least knock down that hit in the 8th today? That was a sad effort.

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I was thinking that between Theriot and Izturis the Cubs might have there highest OBP at SS since Ivan DeJesus. I didnt realize that Ricky gueterariz was as good as he was.

 

guiterrez wasn't that good to begin with. his 2000 stats for OBP and SLG are about as fluky as you can get compared to his career numbers.

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Just wondering why he hasn't played yet in the LA series.

 

Just guessing these numbers have some influence...........

 

05/04 - 05/26      AB    R    H   2B   3B   HR   TB  RBI   BB   SO     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS  BABIP
DeRosa             46    7   11    4    1    1   20    7   11   11  0.239  0.386  0.435  0.821  0.294
Izturis            59    6   21    3    0    0   24    2    4    2  0.356  0.406  0.407  0.813  0.368
Theriot            70    7   16    2    1    0   20    5    8    9  0.229  0.308  0.286  0.593  0.262

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Just wondering why he hasn't played yet in the LA series.

 

I hate to say it, but I beginning to think Theriot might suck. He only appears to be a slightly better hitter then Iz, and he has no range.

 

I would keep Iz at SS and at the 8 spot everyday, and then figure out who the super sub is between Dero and Ryan.

 

In each of his last 3 seasons in the minors, his OBP was .367, .365, .367. So he's got that going for him, which is a heck of a lot more than Izturis can say.

 

That translates to, what, .335 in the bigs? Izturis' defense might just be enough to make up that difference. I'd say there's an argument to be made that they are about equal players.

 

Translates to 343, 321, 308...not so stellar.

PECOTA predicts 272/331/360 for 2007.

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hey hey hey... how can you forget ONE of many classical Dusty comments.. "Izturis drives in runs with his glove"

 

that was Grady Little not Dusty

:shock: ooopss.. i knew i had that one wrong... :oops:
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hey hey hey... how can you forget ONE of many classical Dusty comments.. "Izturis drives in runs with his glove"

 

that was Grady Little not Dusty

I thought it was Hendry.
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hey hey hey... how can you forget ONE of many classical Dusty comments.. "Izturis drives in runs with his glove"

 

that was Grady Little not Dusty

I thought it was Hendry.

 

Hendry was quoting Little.

 

Only Hendry would be mindless enough to quote the one and only Grady Little.

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Izturis is a below average defensive player. He has been for a couple years now.

 

Thats BS. He was not anywhere near 'below average' in '05 and he started 17 games in '06. This year he struggled in one or two games, and has been very solid in 35 games.

People can argue about which defensive stat is the best...but Izturis is 28th among MLB starters at SS in range factor, 19th in Zone Rating, and 22nd in Fielding Percentage. Regardless of what you feel about defensive statistics, when you rank in the bottom of the league in all three of those, I think it's safe to say that you suck.

 

In '05 before he got hurt, he was slightly better than mediocre. He was between 10th and 13th in MLB in all three of those categories. That's not even close to the "gold glove" caliber defense that he's supposed to be known for. In 04, he was tops in Zone rating (probably the best defensive stat, IMO), 18th in range factor, and 4th in fielding percentage. In '03, he was 12th in Zone Rating, 12th in Range Factor, and 6th in Fielding percentage, overall, another slightly-better than mediocre year. Disregarding 2006 because he hardly played, he had one very good season out of the last 4 (before injuries slowed him down), and since the injuries, he has been decidedly below average. He's overpaid, and his defense is more overrated than Soriano's offense. I'd rather let Theriot in the lineup for league minimum than pay Izturis 5 million to suck. The history to support that Izturis is good defensively is lacking, to say the least, and it's all before he lost a step to injuries.

 

 

Brendan Harris has been surprisingly good (or mediocre, depending on your vantage point). He so far has been one of the better offensive SSs in baseball this year (303 BA 356 OBP), and rates above Izturis in fielding percentage and range factor, and just a hair below in Zone rating.

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