Cedeno sent to AAA chicagosports.com

[DiamondMind]

I can't believe Im saying this, but Jacque needs regular time in the OF. He's a LH bat to balance out Lee and aRam, and his defense this year seems to be improved.

 

edit: with pie in CF

[AFCubsFan]

I think sending Cedeno down is the right move for the team at this point.

 

As far as the outfield situation goes, I like all of them. For whatever reason, JJ has really turned it on since Pie came up. That's fine with me. JJ should see a lot of playing time until he cools off. I think Hendry should not be in a rush to trade JJ. I'd rather see him stick around until closer to the trade deadline. I think having all these OF's will come in handy during interleague games with the DH. I also would like to see Pie come in late in games when he doesn't start. I think having him in CF and JJ in RF late in games greatly improves the OF defense. If JJ is traded away, then the team is only a Cliff Floyd injury away from disaster. Sure Pie and Murton could play everyday at that point, but their backups would not be desirable at all. Pagan, Ward (I'd rather not see him in the OF), Theriot/Derosa (that means Izturis would have to start at SS.) I'm sure you see the point there. Oh...and we would have terrible pinch hitting options to look forward to. Ward would be the only legit threat off the bench. Other than that there would be Pagan, Izzy, Blanco, and a mystery player. Not looking too good at all.

 

I'm just happy to see that Hendry made the right roster move for now. I like the OF as is and Cedeno was serving no purpose for the team.

[killthegoat06]

Could it also be that the Cubs are sayin that the future is now? They are making the moves that make this team better this season. It may not be true, but it is something else to think about.

[cubweiser03]

Good. Now remove Cedeno from the 40 man roster and switch him with Fontenot. Then call him up and to replace Pie's spot on the 25 man and let Pie get his work in.

[Keener98]

Pie has had 1 start since hitting the homerun last Friday. Other than that he has had no more than 2 ab's in a game. He should be down at AAA getting 4 ab's a game if they arent going to give him it here. I hate the way Lou has used Pie and Murton. Hes giving them sporadic at bats off the bench, which in turn has probably made them both press. Young kids need ab's, and especially Pie who has not had a substantial amount of ab's in the minors.

 

do you want to win or develop young players? Both Jones and Floyd are performing well. You seriously want to take them out and put Pie and Murton every day? Murton and his every game double-play? And Pie who's lost at teh plate? Do you not see we're on a great winning streak? Or do you prefer losses?

 

Umm you might want to read my previous posts in this thread. If they are going to play jones then fine, but send Pie down so he can get 4 ab's a game instead of 9 in a week. Him sitting on the bench is doing him no good. He has missed time in the minors so he doesnt have alot of ab's down there as it is, the kid needs to play and not watch.

[Keener98]

Pie has had 1 start since hitting the homerun last Friday. Other than that he has had no more than 2 ab's in a game. He should be down at AAA getting 4 ab's a game if they arent going to give him it here. I hate the way Lou has used Pie and Murton. Hes giving them sporadic at bats off the bench, which in turn has probably made them both press. Young kids need ab's, and especially Pie who has not had a substantial amount of ab's in the minors.

 

do you want to win or develop young players? Both Jones and Floyd are performing well. You seriously want to take them out and put Pie and Murton every day? Murton and his every game double-play? And Pie who's lost at teh plate? Do you not see we're on a great winning streak? Or do you prefer losses?

 

And no I dont see we are on a great winning streak. 4 games in a row is decent, but definatly not great.

[CUBZ99]

Could it also be that the Cubs are sayin that the future is now? They are making the moves that make this team better this season. It may not be true, but it is something else to think about.

 

I think that is the reasoning behind these moves. There is no doubt that Cedeno was the most worthless position player on the roster. Pie has value on this team off the bench. Same can be said with Murton. Many of us are overly concerned about individual statistics, development, and "next year". I guess 99 years of futility will do that to a fan.

 

Lets win now, and then the playing time that Murton and Pie get will be irrelevant.

[CUBZ99]

Pie has had 1 start since hitting the homerun last Friday. Other than that he has had no more than 2 ab's in a game. He should be down at AAA getting 4 ab's a game if they arent going to give him it here. I hate the way Lou has used Pie and Murton. Hes giving them sporadic at bats off the bench, which in turn has probably made them both press. Young kids need ab's, and especially Pie who has not had a substantial amount of ab's in the minors.

 

do you want to win or develop young players? Both Jones and Floyd are performing well. You seriously want to take them out and put Pie and Murton every day? Murton and his every game double-play? And Pie who's lost at teh plate? Do you not see we're on a great winning streak? Or do you prefer losses?

 

And no I dont see we are on a great winning streak. 4 games in a row is decent, but definatly not great.

 

In Synergy's defense, a 4 game winning streak after the last year and a month is a GREAT winning streak. If only the Cubs could put more of those together.

[CubsWin]

Well then freaking play Pie every damn day. Him sitting on the bench is doing him no good he needs at bats, not coming in as a pinch runner or defensive replacement. This is a dumb move if they continue to play Pie sporadicly. Pie is the better prospect than Ronny, so let the kid play somewhere, be it here or AAA.

I want to see him play, too. But since the Cubs have other worthy options in the OF, its a tough one.

 

Jones isn't really a CFer. Pie is the only true CFer of the 5 options. Murton, Floyd and Jones are all performing well and fairly well proven at the major league level, so I think we are likely to continue to see Pie being worked in as part of a rotation until Hendry is able to trade one of the other OFers, likelky Jones.

 

I understand they have too many options for the OF thats why I was behind sending Pie down to get him at bats every day. I dont like him sitting on the bench 4 days a week. So now we have Izturis(haha) and Theriot who can play short .

They don't have too many options in the OF. They have 5 good, worthy-of-playing-time options, but because only one of them, Pie, is a true CFer, you can't accurately say that they have too many.

 

That's the whole reason why Cedeno was sent down and Pie wasn't. Pie is the team's only real CF, while Cedeno, with the emergence of Theriot as an option at SS, was the third infielder who could play in the hole. Pie is also hitting better than Cedeno is right now, so the choice was clear.

 

He might not be starting every day consistently, but he certainly wouldn't be the first top prospect rookie to be worked into the major leagues at a slightly slower pace than a full on starter. So long as he is in the rotation on a consistent basis, he should be fine.

 

In the rotation? Has he even started this week? I think hes had maybe 3 ab's this week. Maybe Im missing a game but I dont think I am

You've got to give Lou a little more time. I'm with you, if he's not in the rotation. But we can't really tell yet, can we?

 

If he doesn't start in the next three games. Then he should be sent down. Pie coming off the bench as a pinch runner/defensive replacement/pinch hitter is dumb. He needs to play more than that. At this point, don't we have to sit back and see? Cedeno just got sent down. I was dissapointed with the choice to start DeRosa in RF today, however. With Pie on the team and Cedeno in Iowa, the Cubs can afford to keep DeRosa in the infield.

[Keener98]

Well then freaking play Pie every damn day. Him sitting on the bench is doing him no good he needs at bats, not coming in as a pinch runner or defensive replacement. This is a dumb move if they continue to play Pie sporadicly. Pie is the better prospect than Ronny, so let the kid play somewhere, be it here or AAA.

I want to see him play, too. But since the Cubs have other worthy options in the OF, its a tough one.

 

Jones isn't really a CFer. Pie is the only true CFer of the 5 options. Murton, Floyd and Jones are all performing well and fairly well proven at the major league level, so I think we are likely to continue to see Pie being worked in as part of a rotation until Hendry is able to trade one of the other OFers, likelky Jones.

 

But

 

I understand they have too many options for the OF thats why I was behind sending Pie down to get him at bats every day. I dont like him sitting on the bench 4 days a week. So now we have Izturis(haha) and Theriot who can play short .

They don't have too many options in the OF. They have 5 good, worthy-of-playing-time options, but because only one of them, Pie, is a true CFer, you can't accurately say that they have too many.

 

That's the whole reason why Cedeno was sent down and Pie wasn't. Pie is the team's only real CF, while Cedeno, with the emergence of Theriot as an option at SS, was the third infielder who could play in the hole. Pie is also hitting better than Cedeno is right now, so the choice was clear.

 

He might not be starting every day consistently, but he certainly wouldn't be the first top prospect rookie to be worked into the major leagues at a slightly slower pace than a full on starter. So long as he is in the rotation on a consistent basis, he should be fine.

 

In the rotation? Has he even started this week? I think hes had maybe 3 ab's this week. Maybe Im missing a game but I dont think I am

You've got to give Lou a little more time. I'm with you, if he's not in the rotation. But we can't really tell yet, can we?

 

If he doesn't start in the next three games. Then he should be sent down. Pie coming off the bench as a pinch runner/defensive replacement/pinch hitter is dumb. He needs to play more than that. At this point, don't we have to sit back and see? Cedeno just got sent down. I was dissapointed with the choice to start DeRosa in RF today, however. With Pie on the team and Cedeno in Iowa, the Cubs can afford to keep DeRosa in the infield.

 

But yet the first game after sending Cedeno down they put Derosa in RF like you said. Pie comes in today as another defensive replacement and then gets taken out again. Just send the kid down and let him get some abs. Then come ASB you can see how the OF is doing and go from there. Right now its just plain stupid.

[Keener98]

Oh sweet Jesus look at this quote regarding Pie. From the tribune.

 

So the Cubs kept OF Felix Pie rather than send him to the minors for more at-bats. Piniella said before the game he needs "to take care of" the veterans and will get "Pie in there as we can." Asked what went into the decision to keep Pie, a weary Piniella snapped, "It's my decision. .

[CubColtPacer]

Like the announcers were talking about today, it's a tough balance regarding Pie. Does he add value to the team in 2007 as a part-time player? Definitely-Pie on the bench allows for a great deal of flexibility and there are several ways to use him.

 

Now, which would be best for Pie's development? Probably getting more at-bats in the minors, although the early experience against major league hitters will also be good for him.

 

So-is the difference between his value now to the team and his replacement's value on the bench more than the possible loss to his development? That's very debatable, and it really depends on how good you think this 2007 team is. If you think the 2007 squad has a great chance to contend, then Pie staying in the majors makes sense as a part-time player. If they don't, then he needs to go back to the minors.

 

Right now, I like the value he brings to the team, and I also think the fact that he's getting daily at-bats against major league pitching will help him develop and adjust faster than a larger amount of AAA at-bats would. However, I can understand if others think differently.

[A New Era]

Pie has had 1 start since hitting the homerun last Friday. Other than that he has had no more than 2 ab's in a game. He should be down at AAA getting 4 ab's a game if they arent going to give him it here. I hate the way Lou has used Pie and Murton. Hes giving them sporadic at bats off the bench, which in turn has probably made them both press. Young kids need ab's, and especially Pie who has not had a substantial amount of ab's in the minors.

 

do you want to win or develop young players? Both Jones and Floyd are performing well. You seriously want to take them out and put Pie and Murton every day? Murton and his every game double-play? And Pie who's lost at teh plate? Do you not see we're on a great winning streak? Or do you prefer losses?

 

And no I dont see we are on a great winning streak. 4 games in a row is decent, but definatly not great.

 

We've won 8 of our last 9. Streak or not. That is a good "stretch". . BTW I didn't read what all was said. I just wanted to respond to that specific thing. .

[biittner77]

Like the announcers were talking about today, it's a tough balance regarding Pie. Does he add value to the team in 2007 as a part-time player? Definitely-Pie on the bench allows for a great deal of flexibility and there are several ways to use him.

 

Now, which would be best for Pie's development? Probably getting more at-bats in the minors, although the early experience against major league hitters will also be good for him.

 

So-is the difference between his value now to the team and his replacement's value on the bench more than the possible loss to his development? That's very debatable, and it really depends on how good you think this 2007 team is. If you think the 2007 squad has a great chance to contend, then Pie staying in the majors makes sense as a part-time player. If they don't, then he needs to go back to the minors.

 

Right now, I like the value he brings to the team, and I also think the fact that he's getting daily at-bats against major league pitching will help him develop and adjust faster than a larger amount of AAA at-bats would. However, I can understand if others think differently.

 

Unless he's starting in CF, Pie's only value to the team is as a defensive replacement and perhaps PR. If the Cubs sent down Pie and replaced him with Angel Pagan or Chris Walker, would that really hurt the Big club in the short run? I find this situation eerily similar to 2001 when Don Baylor kept Patterson on the ML bench because he needed a defensive replacement for Shawn Tucker.

 

I doubt anyone would complain if Pagan or Walker were rotting on the end of the bench.

[jersey cubs fan]

Like the announcers were talking about today, it's a tough balance regarding Pie. Does he add value to the team in 2007 as a part-time player? Definitely-Pie on the bench allows for a great deal of flexibility and there are several ways to use him.

 

Now, which would be best for Pie's development? Probably getting more at-bats in the minors, although the early experience against major league hitters will also be good for him.

 

So-is the difference between his value now to the team and his replacement's value on the bench more than the possible loss to his development? That's very debatable, and it really depends on how good you think this 2007 team is. If you think the 2007 squad has a great chance to contend, then Pie staying in the majors makes sense as a part-time player. If they don't, then he needs to go back to the minors.

 

Right now, I like the value he brings to the team, and I also think the fact that he's getting daily at-bats against major league pitching will help him develop and adjust faster than a larger amount of AAA at-bats would. However, I can understand if others think differently.

 

That's a flawed argument. The difference in value does not depend on how good you think the 2007 team is. Even if you think the 2007 team can win 100 games and go to the World Series, that's no reason to think Pie's value to the organization is greatest on the major league bench.

 

If somebody in the minors can offer the same service as Felix, then there isn't even a debate. The question remains how much this negatively affects his development compared to his value over somebody else. I would argue his value to the 2007 team over somebody else is 0, and the negative effect is greater than 0, meaning it's a no-brainer. I don't see how Pagan could be any worse, or any less of a bench option, if you absolutely need such a player.

[LetsGoCubs89]

i dont understand why we dont release him, he stinks and is not going to get any better. same for izturis

[soapy]

Pie has had 1 start since hitting the homerun last Friday. Other than that he has had no more than 2 ab's in a game. He should be down at AAA getting 4 ab's a game if they arent going to give him it here. I hate the way Lou has used Pie and Murton. Hes giving them sporadic at bats off the bench, which in turn has probably made them both press. Young kids need ab's, and especially Pie who has not had a substantial amount of ab's in the minors.

 

do you want to win or develop young players? Both Jones and Floyd are performing well. You seriously want to take them out and put Pie and Murton every day? Murton and his every game double-play? And Pie who's lost at teh plate? Do you not see we're on a great winning streak? Or do you prefer losses?

 

I really hate this old arguement. These two things (winning and developing players) are not mutually exclusive.

[LetsGoCubs89]

i concur

[NCCubFan]

i dont understand why we dont release him, he stinks and is not going to get any better.

Not necessarily trye. He's had some major league success (2005); maybe he can work things out in AAA and come back up. It's premature to completely write him off. Izturis I agree with you on, but not Cedeno.

[TheDude]

Pie has had 1 start since hitting the homerun last Friday. Other than that he has had no more than 2 ab's in a game. He should be down at AAA getting 4 ab's a game if they arent going to give him it here. I hate the way Lou has used Pie and Murton. Hes giving them sporadic at bats off the bench, which in turn has probably made them both press. Young kids need ab's, and especially Pie who has not had a substantial amount of ab's in the minors.

 

do you want to win or develop young players? Both Jones and Floyd are performing well. You seriously want to take them out and put Pie and Murton every day? Murton and his every game double-play? And Pie who's lost at teh plate? Do you not see we're on a great winning streak? Or do you prefer losses?

 

I really hate this old arguement. These two things (winning and developing players) are not mutually exclusive.

 

In the abstract maybe that is true. But specific to Pie and this Cubs team, is it? In other words, can the Cubs win and afford to deal with Pie's growing pains compared to the production expected out of those 'veterans' in front of him on the depth chart?

 

I think so, and would advocate trading Jones to create the open spot. But there are plenty of folks who would lessen the Cubs chances of winning with Pie in the everyday lineup over Jones/Floyd/Murton.

[ltb]

this club can certainly afford to let pie play over floyd/jones. as already said, it's not a choice between winning and developing young players - you can do both, which is what winning teams do.

[Derwood]

where is AAA chicagosports.com?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

where is AAA chicagosports.com?

 

I was always under the impression that chicagosports.com was the AAA equivalent of a real news site. Maybe Ronny has a journalism degree.

[NCCubFan]

where is AAA chicagosports.com?

It's the top farm paper for the Daily Herald. Their sportswriters are trying to develop so that one of them can eventually replace Bruce. :D

[Derwood]

where is AAA chicagosports.com?

 

I was always under the impression that chicagosports.com was the AAA equivalent of a real news site. Maybe Ronny has a journalism degree.

 

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