It's time to test JJ Hardy...

[Lockes Eye Scar]

lol, I love all of the Brewers fans coming out of the woodwork this year.

[Magnetic Curses]

Barrett is not = Estrada.

 

come to think of it, you're right. and it's not close. estrada has had one +.800 OPS season like 3 years ago, barrett has done it, and comfortably, each of the last 3 seasons.

[Magnetic Curses]

Fielder .298 9 HR 26 RBI .964 OPS, age 22

Lee .414 2 HR 21 RBI 1.108 OPS, age 31

 

I'll give the edge to Lee for now, but in a couple of years it will not be so. I think Fielder might even put up better numbers than Lee this year, but I suppose I should take off the Brewer goggles. :shock:

 

Position by position, it is close between the Cubs and Brewers, but that is why they play the games.

 

fielder's turning into a decent hitter, but lee is one of the best hitters in the game.

[Exile on Waveland]

Fielder .298 9 HR 26 RBI .964 OPS, age 22

Lee .414 2 HR 21 RBI 1.108 OPS, age 31

 

I'll give the edge to Lee for now, but in a couple of years it will not be so. I think Fielder might even put up better numbers than Lee this year, but I suppose I should take off the Brewer goggles. :shock:

 

Well, yeah, when Lee ages and Fielder is in his prime, Fielder will outproduce Lee. Who's arguing otherwise? But this year, no rational person would take Fielder over Lee (for this season, discounting the age difference moving forward).

[Brewhaha]

lol, I love all of the Brewers fans coming out of the woodwork this year.

Joined date > you

[98navigator]

lol, I love all of the Brewers fans coming out of the woodwork this year.

 

QFT

[98navigator]

I'd take a healthy Sheets over Z anyday. He's probably the best pitcher in the NL when he's on.

 

He really needs to stay healthy for me to consider the Brewers potential NL champs.

 

Actually, thats a lie. They're a pretty damn good team with a very underrated pitching staff behind Sheets.

 

Yeah and you also posted that Bush was quality. My point was that Z has been durable. It's hard being good consistently when health is a qualifier (Sheets).

 

The grass is always greener on the other side.

Edited May 6, 2007 by 98navigator

[imb]

Fielder .298 9 HR 26 RBI .964 OPS, age 22

Lee .414 2 HR 21 RBI 1.108 OPS, age 31

 

I'll give the edge to Lee for now, but in a couple of years it will not be so. I think Fielder might even put up better numbers than Lee this year, but I suppose I should take off the Brewer goggles. :shock:

 

Well, yeah, when Lee ages and Fielder is in his prime, Fielder will outproduce Lee. Who's arguing otherwise? But this year, no rational person would take Fielder over Lee (for this season, discounting the age difference moving forward).

 

I would really have a hard time taking Lee over Fielder for this season going forward. Lee's numbers are better right now, but he isn't going to hit .410 all year, and when he starts hitting .320, if he isn't hitting more home runs, Fielder will be at the worst, even with him.

[98navigator]

Why is it a push at catcher? Barrett put up a good OPS last year, and while he's struggled this year, I see him ending up way more valuable than Estrada. Estrada had a nice 2004 with the Braves, but hasn't been very good since then. Barrett has had 800+ OPS seasons every year since 2004, and Estrada doesn't make up that difference on defense.

Barrett = Estrada

Miller >>> Blanco

 

Estrada is not equal to Barrett.

 

Miller? Been there done that!

[Magnetic Curses]

lol, I love all of the Brewers fans coming out of the woodwork this year.

Joined date > you

 

so, you signed up with the intention of waiting for the brewers to get good so you could come here and crow?

 

okay.

[Brewhaha]

lol, I love all of the Brewers fans coming out of the woodwork this year.

Joined date > you

 

so, you signed up with the intention of waiting for the brewers to get good so you could come here and crow?

 

okay.

Nah, I thought I would liven up the discussion with that gem of player analysis...if you know what I mean. :wink:

[SouthSideRyan]

 

I would really have a hard time taking Lee over Fielder for this season going forward. Lee's numbers are better right now, but he isn't going to hit .410 all year, and when he starts hitting .320, if he isn't hitting more home runs, Fielder will be at the worst, even with him.

 

Just like he isn't hitting 410 this year, he isn't going to hit HRs at his current pace.

[Magnetic Curses]

lol, I love all of the Brewers fans coming out of the woodwork this year.

Joined date > you

 

so, you signed up with the intention of waiting for the brewers to get good so you could come here and crow?

 

okay.

Nah, I thought I would liven up the discussion with that gem of player analysis...if you know what I mean. :wink:

 

fair enough, though i overestimated estrada, i thought he'd had some better seasons over the past 3 years--and miller is marginally inferior to blanco.

[imb]

 

I would really have a hard time taking Lee over Fielder for this season going forward. Lee's numbers are better right now, but he isn't going to hit .410 all year, and when he starts hitting .320, if he isn't hitting more home runs, Fielder will be at the worst, even with him.

 

Just like he isn't hitting 410 this year, he isn't going to hit HRs at his current pace.

 

What proves this? I mean, we know he won't hit .400 because his babip is unsustainable, but what is there that says that his power will come around?

[Magnetic Curses]

 

I would really have a hard time taking Lee over Fielder for this season going forward. Lee's numbers are better right now, but he isn't going to hit .410 all year, and when he starts hitting .320, if he isn't hitting more home runs, Fielder will be at the worst, even with him.

 

Just like he isn't hitting 410 this year, he isn't going to hit HRs at his current pace.

 

What proves this? I mean, we know he won't hit .400 because his babip is unsustainable, but what is there that says that his power will come around?

 

i will give him credit for having an insanely high LD%.

[Exile on Waveland]

Fielder .298 9 HR 26 RBI .964 OPS, age 22

Lee .414 2 HR 21 RBI 1.108 OPS, age 31

 

I'll give the edge to Lee for now, but in a couple of years it will not be so. I think Fielder might even put up better numbers than Lee this year, but I suppose I should take off the Brewer goggles. :shock:

 

Well, yeah, when Lee ages and Fielder is in his prime, Fielder will outproduce Lee. Who's arguing otherwise? But this year, no rational person would take Fielder over Lee (for this season, discounting the age difference moving forward).

 

I would really have a hard time taking Lee over Fielder for this season going forward. Lee's numbers are better right now, but he isn't going to hit .410 all year, and when he starts hitting .320, if he isn't hitting more home runs, Fielder will be at the worst, even with him.

 

Well, I think you'd be mistaken to take Lee over Fielder for this season. Even without many homeruns, Lee is out-slugging Fielder .619 to .597. He has 19 extra-base hits, while Fielder has 16. I believe the homeruns will take care of themselves, but, if not, you can hit for some power without them. (Though I do agree Lee will need to increase his homerun output)

[imb]

Fielder .298 9 HR 26 RBI .964 OPS, age 22

Lee .414 2 HR 21 RBI 1.108 OPS, age 31

 

I'll give the edge to Lee for now, but in a couple of years it will not be so. I think Fielder might even put up better numbers than Lee this year, but I suppose I should take off the Brewer goggles. :shock:

 

Well, yeah, when Lee ages and Fielder is in his prime, Fielder will outproduce Lee. Who's arguing otherwise? But this year, no rational person would take Fielder over Lee (for this season, discounting the age difference moving forward).

 

I would really have a hard time taking Lee over Fielder for this season going forward. Lee's numbers are better right now, but he isn't going to hit .410 all year, and when he starts hitting .320, if he isn't hitting more home runs, Fielder will be at the worst, even with him.

 

Well, I think you'd be mistaken to take Lee over Fielder for this season. Even without many homeruns, Lee is out-slugging Fielder .619 to .597. He has 19 extra-base hits, while Fielder has 16. I believe the homeruns will take care of themselves, but, if not, you can hit for some power without them. (Though I do agree Lee will need to increase his homerun output)

 

But some of that slugging percentage difference is derived from some singles that Lee won't be getting all season. As long as he's hitting .410, he outslugs Fielder by 20 points, but what happens when he's hitting .330?

[Exile on Waveland]

Fielder .298 9 HR 26 RBI .964 OPS, age 22

Lee .414 2 HR 21 RBI 1.108 OPS, age 31

 

I'll give the edge to Lee for now, but in a couple of years it will not be so. I think Fielder might even put up better numbers than Lee this year, but I suppose I should take off the Brewer goggles. :shock:

 

Well, yeah, when Lee ages and Fielder is in his prime, Fielder will outproduce Lee. Who's arguing otherwise? But this year, no rational person would take Fielder over Lee (for this season, discounting the age difference moving forward).

 

I would really have a hard time taking Lee over Fielder for this season going forward. Lee's numbers are better right now, but he isn't going to hit .410 all year, and when he starts hitting .320, if he isn't hitting more home runs, Fielder will be at the worst, even with him.

 

Well, I think you'd be mistaken to take Lee over Fielder for this season. Even without many homeruns, Lee is out-slugging Fielder .619 to .597. He has 19 extra-base hits, while Fielder has 16. I believe the homeruns will take care of themselves, but, if not, you can hit for some power without them. (Though I do agree Lee will need to increase his homerun output)

 

But some of that slugging percentage difference is derived from some singles that Lee won't be getting all season. As long as he's hitting .410, he outslugs Fielder by 20 points, but what happens when he's hitting .330?

 

Yeah, that's why included the extra base hits -- singles do count in slugging and that's the reason Lee is out-slugging Fielder (batting average differences, that is). Of course, extra base hits isn't the entire story -- total bases, excepting singles, has Lee at 36 and Fielder at 50. (I hope my math's right there, I'm tired)

 

Though I think it's likely that even as Lee's batting average drops to a more sustainable number, it'll still stay a decent amount ahead of Fielder's. Which means some of that bases difference will be made up by the lowly single. And, as this is a predictive thread (at least it is now) I think it's quite likely Lee will increase his homeruns as he has hit the ball consistently hard.

[SouthSideRyan]

 

I would really have a hard time taking Lee over Fielder for this season going forward. Lee's numbers are better right now, but he isn't going to hit .410 all year, and when he starts hitting .320, if he isn't hitting more home runs, Fielder will be at the worst, even with him.

 

Just like he isn't hitting 410 this year, he isn't going to hit HRs at his current pace.

 

What proves this? I mean, we know he won't hit .400 because his babip is unsustainable, but what is there that says that his power will come around?

 

Is there a precedent for a guy suddenly losing his power completely? I understand he had the wrist injury, but even with coming back early last year, playing a little hurt and his first ABs back from the injury he still hit at 25+ HR pace. The doubles are showing the power is still there.

[Balsa]

Neifi '05.

 

Enough said.

[imb]

 

I would really have a hard time taking Lee over Fielder for this season going forward. Lee's numbers are better right now, but he isn't going to hit .410 all year, and when he starts hitting .320, if he isn't hitting more home runs, Fielder will be at the worst, even with him.

 

Just like he isn't hitting 410 this year, he isn't going to hit HRs at his current pace.

 

What proves this? I mean, we know he won't hit .400 because his babip is unsustainable, but what is there that says that his power will come around?

 

Is there a precedent for a guy suddenly losing his power completely? I understand he had the wrist injury, but even with coming back early last year, playing a little hurt and his first ABs back from the injury he still hit at 25+ HR pace. The doubles are showing the power is still there.

 

I don't know about precedent, but think about this.

 

Did anyone really expect more than 35 home runs for Lee this season? Let's say that Lee (116 at-bats) gets 500 more. In order to reach 35, he has to hit 33 more, or one every 15 at-bats, something he's done only once ever, in his out-of-this-world 2005 (once every 12.9 at-bats). If he's going to hit 25, something I think we would all consider quite a disappointment, he has to hit one every 21.7 at-bats, a number that doesn't seem too unlikely right now.

 

I would say, best case scenario is 30 home runs. But if he goes another 10 games without hitting one out of the park, that expected number is probably closer to 25.

 

I think he needs to turn the power on soon.

[CubColtPacer]

 

I would really have a hard time taking Lee over Fielder for this season going forward. Lee's numbers are better right now, but he isn't going to hit .410 all year, and when he starts hitting .320, if he isn't hitting more home runs, Fielder will be at the worst, even with him.

 

Just like he isn't hitting 410 this year, he isn't going to hit HRs at his current pace.

 

What proves this? I mean, we know he won't hit .400 because his babip is unsustainable, but what is there that says that his power will come around?

 

Is there a precedent for a guy suddenly losing his power completely? I understand he had the wrist injury, but even with coming back early last year, playing a little hurt and his first ABs back from the injury he still hit at 25+ HR pace. The doubles are showing the power is still there.

 

I don't know about precedent, but think about this.

 

Did anyone really expect more than 35 home runs for Lee this season? Let's say that Lee (116 at-bats) gets 500 more. In order to reach 35, he has to hit 33 more, or one every 15 at-bats, something he's done only once ever, in his out-of-this-world 2005 (once every 12.9 at-bats). If he's going to hit 25, something I think we would all consider quite a disappointment, he has to hit one every 21.7 at-bats, a number that doesn't seem too unlikely right now.

 

I would say, best case scenario is 30 home runs. But if he goes another 10 games without hitting one out of the park, that expected number is probably closer to 25.

 

I think he needs to turn the power on soon.

 

I don't expect more than 25-30 home runs, but even if he slows his doubles pace, if he can hit 50 doubles he still will be around a 1.000 OPS player.

[abuck1220]

why are people having such a hard time admitting that the brewers are better than the cubs?

[Brian]

why are people having such a hard time admitting that the brewers are better than the cubs?

 

I think when all is said and done these two teams will be close record wise.

[98navigator]

why are people having such a hard time admitting that the brewers are better than the cubs?

 

I don't think they are but I'll let the season tell the story...