Prior finished with Cubs?

[Wheelimus]

I think it depends on how he responds to the surgery. If they actually find something, repair it, and once he heals and starts throwing you see something worth keeping him around for, you keep him. If he looks like a poor mans Wade Miller, well, obviously, you cut him.

[OBPMatters]

NM.

[Sammy Sofa]

The real issue, and perhaps what Bruce was referring to, is whether the Cubs would WANT to re-sign Prior. If the pitching staff falls into place this year without Prior they may not want to pay what it would take to keep him (they couldn't cut his salary by more than 20%, I believe).

 

Why not! You might as well...

 

Why not? Because they are likely to only have around 30-35 million to sign people next year. Z and Barrett have to be the two highest priorities, along with figuring out what to do about SS. Also, Floyd and Ward will need to be replaced (not big costs, but still).

That extra 3 million that the team is paying Prior could make a difference in that. I'm not saying that they necessarily have to not sign Prior-but they simply can't pencil him in on the salary books for another season either without considering if it's worth it, and depending on the surgery Prior might not be worth it at that point.

 

Well let me tell you that Zambrano will not be a Cub next year. It doesn't like look they are going to get a deal done by season's end...

 

Good. Unless the Cubs can not pay him ace money, I don't want him.

[davearm]

 

Well let me tell you that Zambrano will not be a Cub next year. It doesn't like look they are going to get a deal done by season's end...

 

Good. Unless the Cubs can not pay him ace money, I don't want him.

It's very strange, but I find myself more excited about the potential to trade Zambrano for some high-end prospects than anything else about the Cubs' season.

[Vinestal]

 

Well let me tell you that Zambrano will not be a Cub next year. It doesn't like look they are going to get a deal done by season's end...

 

Good. Unless the Cubs can not pay him ace money, I don't want him.

It's very strange, but I find myself more excited about the potential to trade Zambrano for some high-end prospects than anything else about the Cubs' season.

 

The sad part about that is that they probably wont even attempt to trade him and he will walk at the end of the year with us having gotten nothing for him. :(

[YearofDaCubs]

I think it depends on how he responds to the surgery. If they actually find something, repair it, and once he heals and starts throwing you see something worth keeping him around for, you keep him. If he looks like a poor mans Wade Miller, well, obviously, you cut him.

This does make the most sense.

[Andy]

I was trying to think of pitchers that came back from shoulder surgery and am drawing a blank.

 

 

Chris Carpenter

Can we count people that would never have had a chance in hell if they were on most teams?

[UK1679666180]

I was trying to think of pitchers that came back from shoulder surgery and am drawing a blank.

 

 

Chris Carpenter

Can we count people that would never have had a chance in hell if they were on most teams?

 

Roger Clemens.

[d_money]

 

Well let me tell you that Zambrano will not be a Cub next year. It doesn't like look they are going to get a deal done by season's end...

 

Good. Unless the Cubs can not pay him ace money, I don't want him.

It's very strange, but I find myself more excited about the potential to trade Zambrano for some high-end prospects than anything else about the Cubs' season.

 

The sad part about that is that they probably wont even attempt to trade him and he will walk at the end of the year with us having gotten nothing for him. :(

 

Is a possible scenario that we trade Big Z by the deadline for 2 high prospects (either pitcher or fielder). Big Z doesn't like the team he gets traded to, realizes that he'd like a reprieve w/ the Cubs and we re-sign him. Can this happen? Has it happended before?

[ltb]

 

Well let me tell you that Zambrano will not be a Cub next year. It doesn't like look they are going to get a deal done by season's end...

 

Good. Unless the Cubs can not pay him ace money, I don't want him.

It's very strange, but I find myself more excited about the potential to trade Zambrano for some high-end prospects than anything else about the Cubs' season.

 

The sad part about that is that they probably wont even attempt to trade him and he will walk at the end of the year with us having gotten nothing for him. :(

 

Is a possible scenario that we trade Big Z by the deadline for 2 high prospects (either pitcher or fielder). Big Z doesn't like the team he gets traded to, realizes that he'd like a reprieve w/ the Cubs and we re-sign him. Can this happen? Has it happended before?

 

ponson did it a few years back. can't think of anyone on z's level that has done it, though.

[Soul]

 

Well let me tell you that Zambrano will not be a Cub next year. It doesn't like look they are going to get a deal done by season's end...

 

Good. Unless the Cubs can not pay him ace money, I don't want him.

It's very strange, but I find myself more excited about the potential to trade Zambrano for some high-end prospects than anything else about the Cubs' season.

 

The sad part about that is that they probably wont even attempt to trade him and he will walk at the end of the year with us having gotten nothing for him. :(

 

Is a possible scenario that we trade Big Z by the deadline for 2 high prospects (either pitcher or fielder). Big Z doesn't like the team he gets traded to, realizes that he'd like a reprieve w/ the Cubs and we re-sign him. Can this happen? Has it happended before?

 

ponson did it a few years back. can't think of anyone on z's level that has done it, though.

 

Why would anyone trade for Z when they can get him for nothing after the season? He's surely not going to be signed by the Cubs with the sale pending.

 

I find it highly likely that we get zilch for Z.

[C.C.]

 

Well let me tell you that Zambrano will not be a Cub next year. It doesn't like look they are going to get a deal done by season's end...

 

Good. Unless the Cubs can not pay him ace money, I don't want him.

It's very strange, but I find myself more excited about the potential to trade Zambrano for some high-end prospects than anything else about the Cubs' season.

 

The sad part about that is that they probably wont even attempt to trade him and he will walk at the end of the year with us having gotten nothing for him. :(

 

Is a possible scenario that we trade Big Z by the deadline for 2 high prospects (either pitcher or fielder). Big Z doesn't like the team he gets traded to, realizes that he'd like a reprieve w/ the Cubs and we re-sign him. Can this happen? Has it happended before?

 

ponson did it a few years back. can't think of anyone on z's level that has done it, though.

 

Why would anyone trade for Z when they can get him for nothing after the season? He's surely not going to be signed by the Cubs with the sale pending.

 

I find it highly likely that we get zilch for Z.

 

Unless that said team is trying to make the playoffs and would need a pitcher like Z. Happens every year...

[Soul]

 

Well let me tell you that Zambrano will not be a Cub next year. It doesn't like look they are going to get a deal done by season's end...

 

Good. Unless the Cubs can not pay him ace money, I don't want him.

It's very strange, but I find myself more excited about the potential to trade Zambrano for some high-end prospects than anything else about the Cubs' season.

 

The sad part about that is that they probably wont even attempt to trade him and he will walk at the end of the year with us having gotten nothing for him. :(

 

Is a possible scenario that we trade Big Z by the deadline for 2 high prospects (either pitcher or fielder). Big Z doesn't like the team he gets traded to, realizes that he'd like a reprieve w/ the Cubs and we re-sign him. Can this happen? Has it happended before?

 

ponson did it a few years back. can't think of anyone on z's level that has done it, though.

 

Why would anyone trade for Z when they can get him for nothing after the season? He's surely not going to be signed by the Cubs with the sale pending.

 

I find it highly likely that we get zilch for Z.

 

Unless that said team is trying to make the playoffs and would need a pitcher like Z. Happens every year...

 

Then it would have to be for prospects. No team is giving us someone like ARod or Cabrera at the deadline if they're trying to make the playoffs.

[C.C.]

 

Well let me tell you that Zambrano will not be a Cub next year. It doesn't like look they are going to get a deal done by season's end...

 

Good. Unless the Cubs can not pay him ace money, I don't want him.

It's very strange, but I find myself more excited about the potential to trade Zambrano for some high-end prospects than anything else about the Cubs' season.

 

The sad part about that is that they probably wont even attempt to trade him and he will walk at the end of the year with us having gotten nothing for him. :(

 

Is a possible scenario that we trade Big Z by the deadline for 2 high prospects (either pitcher or fielder). Big Z doesn't like the team he gets traded to, realizes that he'd like a reprieve w/ the Cubs and we re-sign him. Can this happen? Has it happended before?

 

ponson did it a few years back. can't think of anyone on z's level that has done it, though.

 

Why would anyone trade for Z when they can get him for nothing after the season? He's surely not going to be signed by the Cubs with the sale pending.

 

I find it highly likely that we get zilch for Z.

 

Unless that said team is trying to make the playoffs and would need a pitcher like Z. Happens every year...

 

Then it would have to be for prospects. No team is giving us someone like ARod or Cabrera at the deadline if they're trying to make the playoffs.

 

Oh I agree. But you have to get something for Z. He's not going to re-sign if he goes FA next offseason. With the sale of the team going on signing FA's isn't going to happen..

[CubColtPacer]

 

Well let me tell you that Zambrano will not be a Cub next year. It doesn't like look they are going to get a deal done by season's end...

 

Good. Unless the Cubs can not pay him ace money, I don't want him.

It's very strange, but I find myself more excited about the potential to trade Zambrano for some high-end prospects than anything else about the Cubs' season.

 

The sad part about that is that they probably wont even attempt to trade him and he will walk at the end of the year with us having gotten nothing for him. :(

 

Is a possible scenario that we trade Big Z by the deadline for 2 high prospects (either pitcher or fielder). Big Z doesn't like the team he gets traded to, realizes that he'd like a reprieve w/ the Cubs and we re-sign him. Can this happen? Has it happended before?

 

ponson did it a few years back. can't think of anyone on z's level that has done it, though.

 

Why would anyone trade for Z when they can get him for nothing after the season? He's surely not going to be signed by the Cubs with the sale pending.

 

I find it highly likely that we get zilch for Z.

 

Unless that said team is trying to make the playoffs and would need a pitcher like Z. Happens every year...

 

Then it would have to be for prospects. No team is giving us someone like ARod or Cabrera at the deadline if they're trying to make the playoffs.

 

Oh I agree. But you have to get something for Z. He's not going to re-sign if he goes FA next offseason. With the sale of the team going on signing FA's isn't going to happen..

 

By that point, signing FA's will be back on I'm sure. The only question is if Z will give us anywhere close to the same deal.

[Soul]

It seems to me if Z hits the open the market the Yankees will snap him up quick. I guess if we could get a couple good prospects for Z, then it would be better than nothing.

 

I think talk of ARod/Z or something similar is probably way optimistic now though.

[mul21]

I was trying to think of pitchers that came back from shoulder surgery and am drawing a blank.

 

 

Chris Carpenter

 

No he had TJS.

[jersey cubs fan]

I was trying to think of pitchers that came back from shoulder surgery and am drawing a blank.

 

 

Chris Carpenter

 

No he had TJS.

 

I don't remember him having TJS, but I know he missed a season with a torn labrum.

[biittner77]

So if it's a lambrum problem then he could come back? What about rotator cuff? I seem to remember reading that Wood didn't want to have shoulder surgery because the return rate was so low.

[mul21]

I was trying to think of pitchers that came back from shoulder surgery and am drawing a blank.

 

 

Chris Carpenter

 

No he had TJS.

 

I don't remember him having TJS, but I know he missed a season with a torn labrum.

 

My bad, looked it up. I thought he had TJS but apparently he had 2 different shoulder surgeries. Him and Guzman are the only 2 that come to mind that came back with good velocity after having a major shoulder operation.

[mul21]

So if it's a lambrum problem then he could come back? What about rotator cuff? I seem to remember reading that Wood didn't want to have shoulder surgery because the return rate was so low.

 

Rotator cuff is easier to come back from than labrum surgery because there is more bone to attach to and more to work with in the back of the shoulder as opposed to the labrum which is what hold together the whole front of the shoulder. It's often tough to get full range of motion back after labrum repair and that greatly affects velocity because that comes from external rotation of the shoulder which is what loss of range of motion affects. Sorry to get all medical, but that's generally what the problem is when guys come back with lost velocity.

[neely crenshaw]

unfortunately they are going to open him up and find nothing wrong. he is just a guy with a 84 mph heater. he is not coming back to any previous form or any team. i wish he would but you simply don't lose that much velocity for that long a time..with no injury and magically get it back.

[98navigator]

unfortunately they are going to open him up and find nothing wrong. he is just a guy with a 84 mph heater. he is not coming back to any previous form or any team. i wish he would but you simply don't lose that much velocity for that long a time..with no injury and magically get it back.

 

Len just said on WGN that Dr. Andrews did find an injury, that has been repaired, and he won't pitch at all for the 2007 season.

[biittner77]

So if it's a lambrum problem then he could come back? What about rotator cuff? I seem to remember reading that Wood didn't want to have shoulder surgery because the return rate was so low.

 

Rotator cuff is easier to come back from than labrum surgery because there is more bone to attach to and more to work with in the back of the shoulder as opposed to the labrum which is what hold together the whole front of the shoulder. It's often tough to get full range of motion back after labrum repair and that greatly affects velocity because that comes from external rotation of the shoulder which is what loss of range of motion affects. Sorry to get all medical, but that's generally what the problem is when guys come back with lost velocity.

 

Don't be sorry. That's exactly the info I was looking for.

[StMarksCubs]

So if it's a lambrum problem then he could come back? What about rotator cuff? I seem to remember reading that Wood didn't want to have shoulder surgery because the return rate was so low.

 

Rotator cuff is easier to come back from than labrum surgery because there is more bone to attach to and more to work with in the back of the shoulder as opposed to the labrum which is what hold together the whole front of the shoulder. It's often tough to get full range of motion back after labrum repair and that greatly affects velocity because that comes from external rotation of the shoulder which is what loss of range of motion affects. Sorry to get all medical, but that's generally what the problem is when guys come back with lost velocity.

 

Don't be sorry. That's exactly the info I was looking for.

 

Isn't it amazing how you practically need an MD to be a Cubs fan these days?