Pie staying in the majors

[PrimeTime]

I don't know if this was posted anywhere yet, but I just seen it on rotoworld and the trib..

 

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-070421cubssoriano,1,3893364.story

 

 

Felix Pie will stick with the Cubs following Alfonso Soriano's return Monday, even though the club wants to go back to 12 pitchers.

 

It the Cubs are going to commit to Pie, then they need to trade either Jacque Jones or Matt Murton. With Pie in center and Alfonso Soriano in left, Jones, Murton and Cliff Floyd would all be battling for playing time in one spot and that's not going to work. It'd make quite a bit more sense to send Pie down until he proves he's ready, but since that's not going to happen, Ronny Cedeno's roster spot appears to be in serious jeopardy

[cubs121]

why is this in Game Threads?

[CubmanPi]

Because when we're talking about the game, we're gonna need to know that Pie is in the lineup.

 

/got nothin

[PrimeTime]

Because when we're talking about the game, we're gonna need to know that Pie is in the lineup.

 

/got nothin

 

Sorry about that..I put it in there by mistake

[Omar]

It happens.. a mod will move it to Baseball Discussions or Transactions soon..

[CubColtPacer]

I think rotoworld is not correct on this-nothing about the tribune article states that Pie is going to stay long-term. It even says "if Pie sticks". It is still decently likely that the Cubs will give Pie starts until Friday when Guzman is eligible to come back up, and if his offense hasn't significantly improved by then he'll go down for Guzman. Pie is just likely going to stay up when Soriano comes back because it hasn't been 10 days for Guzman yet.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Please trade Jacque.

[NewUserName]

It sure sounds like they want him too stay. This would really put Floyd in a bad spot unless he can play RF. I think having him play RF would only negate any positive having Pie play CF would have. I have a feeling that Pie is going down until a trade can be made.

[98navigator]

Don't get too excited. Lou stressed the need for a 12th pitcher in the postgame press conference. The bullpen was over taxed again today. He said they can't go without 12 pitchers any longer. Either Pie goes down or someone goes on the DL.

[TruffleShuffle]

sweet... in the absence of juan pierre, i really missed having a centerfielder who couldn't get on base

[Balsa]

As long as he doesn't bat leadoff...

[soapy]

I wouldn't mind if Pie stayed. His bat will come around (as it always had once he adjusts). Put Theriot at SS, DeRosa at 2B and rotate between Floyd, Murton and Jones in RF for now until a deal presents itself.

 

I'm not a defense first guy by any stretch, but Pie is clearly head and shoulders above anyone else on this team in CF and I see no reason to think his bat won't come around. Taking Izturis/Cedeno out of the lineup allows you to have Pie in there, IMO.

 

Soriano LF

Theriot SS

Lee 1B

Ramirez 3B

Barrett C

Murton/Floyd/Jones RF

DeRosa 2B

Pie CF

[Pinktermite]

I guess I agree with what Stoney said last week, I think it's premature to trade Jacque. He's one of two legit left handers we have. He's not stellar, but he is solid. Trade Jacque, and Floyd gets hurt...which he will...I don't know, seems we should keep him for a bit in my opinion

[CubinNY]

I guess I agree with what Stoney said last week, I think it's premature to trade Jacque. He's one of two legit left handers we have. He's not stellar, but he is solid. Trade Jacque, and Floyd gets hurt...which he will...I don't know, seems we should keep him for a bit in my opinion

Who gives a crap what side of the plate a guy hits? I don't care if the Cubs have all lefties or all righties as long as they hit.

 

What side of the plate a guy swings from is right up there with one of the most silly ideas in baseball.

[TheDude]

I guess I agree with what Stoney said last week, I think it's premature to trade Jacque. He's one of two legit left handers we have. He's not stellar, but he is solid. Trade Jacque, and Floyd gets hurt...which he will...I don't know, seems we should keep him for a bit in my opinion

Who gives a crap what side of the plate a guy hits? I don't care if the Cubs have all lefties or all righties as long as they hit.

 

What side of the plate a guy swings from is right up there with one of the most silly ideas in baseball.

 

Lou Piniella cares. He plays the lefty/righty odds straight by the book. I don't see why it's silly - better odds is better odds. I suppose you want Jacque Jones hitting against lefties?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I guess I agree with what Stoney said last week, I think it's premature to trade Jacque. He's one of two legit left handers we have. He's not stellar, but he is solid. Trade Jacque, and Floyd gets hurt...which he will...I don't know, seems we should keep him for a bit in my opinion

Who gives a crap what side of the plate a guy hits? I don't care if the Cubs have all lefties or all righties as long as they hit.

 

What side of the plate a guy swings from is right up there with one of the most silly ideas in baseball.

 

Lou Piniella cares. He plays the lefty/righty odds straight by the book. I don't see why it's silly - better odds is better odds. I suppose you want Jacque Jones hitting against lefties?

 

See Ohman, Will.

[CubinNY]

I guess I agree with what Stoney said last week, I think it's premature to trade Jacque. He's one of two legit left handers we have. He's not stellar, but he is solid. Trade Jacque, and Floyd gets hurt...which he will...I don't know, seems we should keep him for a bit in my opinion

Who gives a crap what side of the plate a guy hits? I don't care if the Cubs have all lefties or all righties as long as they hit.

 

What side of the plate a guy swings from is right up there with one of the most silly ideas in baseball.

 

Lou Piniella cares. He plays the lefty/righty odds straight by the book. I don't see why it's silly - better odds is better odds. I suppose you want Jacque Jones hitting against lefties?

 

You are missing the point. Getting worked up about what side of the plate someone hits from is less important (the point it's not important) than than whether they can hit. I don't want the Cubs getting a starting position player simply becuase he hits X handed. I don't want the Cubs to worry about trading a player simply because he hits X handed. I want the Cubs to start the best 8 position players they can regardless of what side of the plate they hit from.

 

If the Cubs had a lineup of

 

Damon CF

Utley 2nd

Bonds LF

Caberra 3rd

Abreu RF

Dunn 1st

McCann C

Jeter SS

 

I wouldn't complain that they had too many left handed hitters.

[St.Paul Cub]

I wouldn't mind if Pie stayed. His bat will come around (as it always had once he adjusts). Put Theriot at SS, DeRosa at 2B and rotate between Floyd, Murton and Jones in RF for now until a deal presents itself.

 

I'm not a defense first guy by any stretch, but Pie is clearly head and shoulders above anyone else on this team in CF and I see no reason to think his bat won't come around. Taking Izturis/Cedeno out of the lineup allows you to have Pie in there, IMO.

 

Soriano LF

Theriot SS

Lee 1B

Ramirez 3B

Barrett C

Murton/Floyd/Jones RF

DeRosa 2B

Pie CF

 

I totally agree. Theirot should be SS. I would put Soriano in RF and let Floyd and Murton platoon while they move Jones in a deal hopefully with Wade Miller.

[Tracer Bullet]

I guess I agree with what Stoney said last week, I think it's premature to trade Jacque. He's one of two legit left handers we have. He's not stellar, but he is solid. Trade Jacque, and Floyd gets hurt...which he will...I don't know, seems we should keep him for a bit in my opinion

Who gives a crap what side of the plate a guy hits? I don't care if the Cubs have all lefties or all righties as long as they hit.

 

What side of the plate a guy swings from is right up there with one of the most silly ideas in baseball.

 

Lou Piniella cares. He plays the lefty/righty odds straight by the book. I don't see why it's silly - better odds is better odds. I suppose you want Jacque Jones hitting against lefties?

 

You are missing the point. Getting worked up about what side of the plate someone hits from is less important (the point it's not important) than than whether they can hit. I don't want the Cubs getting a starting position player simply becuase he hits X handed. I don't want the Cubs to worry about trading a player simply because he hits X handed. I want the Cubs to start the best 8 position players they can regardless of what side of the plate they hit from.

 

If the Cubs had a lineup of

 

Damon CF

Utley 2nd

Bonds LF

Caberra 3rd

Abreu RF

Dunn 1st

McCann C

Jeter SS

 

I wouldn't complain that they had too many left handed hitters.

 

I fully agree. JJ can hit righties well, which is great, but the Cubs problem, oddly enough has not been hitting RHP. Even though our lineup is full of RH hitters, we can't hit LHP worth crap. So hanging on to a guy (actually 2, if you include Floyd) who hits RHP well but is terrible at hitting LHP (so much so that we have to space these 2 out in the lineup so that 1 LOOGY can't pitch to both of them) just makes no sense. If you we had a right-handed dominant lineup that struggled to hit RHP, I could understand JJ's value. On this team, his ability to hit RHP coupled with no ability to hit LHP and field poorly is pretty useless.

[biittner77]

I guess I agree with what Stoney said last week, I think it's premature to trade Jacque. He's one of two legit left handers we have. He's not stellar, but he is solid. Trade Jacque, and Floyd gets hurt...which he will...I don't know, seems we should keep him for a bit in my opinion

Who gives a crap what side of the plate a guy hits? I don't care if the Cubs have all lefties or all righties as long as they hit.

 

What side of the plate a guy swings from is right up there with one of the most silly ideas in baseball.

 

Lou Piniella cares. He plays the lefty/righty odds straight by the book. I don't see why it's silly - better odds is better odds. I suppose you want Jacque Jones hitting against lefties?

 

You are missing the point. Getting worked up about what side of the plate someone hits from is less important (the point it's not important) than than whether they can hit.

 

I think you're the one missing the point. Of course the best hitter should play regardless of LH- RH. But it is significant that Lou Piniella believes in playing the percentages. That's fine so long as the manager is doing that where it applies to extreme cases ie Jones whom we all agree should never face LH pitching.

[Pushfrog98]

I guess I agree with what Stoney said last week, I think it's premature to trade Jacque. He's one of two legit left handers we have. He's not stellar, but he is solid. Trade Jacque, and Floyd gets hurt...which he will...I don't know, seems we should keep him for a bit in my opinion

Who gives a crap what side of the plate a guy hits? I don't care if the Cubs have all lefties or all righties as long as they hit.

 

What side of the plate a guy swings from is right up there with one of the most silly ideas in baseball.

 

Lou Piniella cares. He plays the lefty/righty odds straight by the book. I don't see why it's silly - better odds is better odds. I suppose you want Jacque Jones hitting against lefties?

 

You are missing the point. Getting worked up about what side of the plate someone hits from is less important (the point it's not important) than than whether they can hit. I don't want the Cubs getting a starting position player simply becuase he hits X handed. I don't want the Cubs to worry about trading a player simply because he hits X handed. I want the Cubs to start the best 8 position players they can regardless of what side of the plate they hit from.

 

If the Cubs had a lineup of

 

Damon CF

Utley 2nd

Bonds LF

Caberra 3rd

Abreu RF

Dunn 1st

McCann C

Jeter SS

 

I wouldn't complain that they had too many left handed hitters.

Even with that lineup, the Cubs would find ways to not score runs.

[Abe Frohman]

Logjam in the OF?

 

Move Soriano back to 2nd base, Theriot to SS, and there you go.

 

SS Theriot

LF Murton

1B Lee

3B Ramirez

2B Soriano

RF Floyd

CA Barrett

CF Pie

[RichHillIsABeast]

I doubt Soriano is getting moved back to 2B, especially not in the near future with his sore hammy.

[Soul]

The way Fonz was hobbling around yesterday, I'm a little suprised the Cubs are going to be starting him *anywhere* soon.

 

Are they rushing him back?

[soccer10k]

The way Fonz was hobbling around yesterday, I'm a little suprised the Cubs are going to be starting him *anywhere* soon.

 

Are they rushing him back?

 

It would appear that they are from the way he looked yesterday.