Murton getting benched again for lesser player

[RegulusBlue]

Dammit dammit dammit!!!!!

 

I thought Murton was gonna get to play a little after being named the starter, the whole BS with him not being platooned with Floyd, and being written into the 2 spot for the year.

 

I thought Baker was fired last year. Apparently he lives on in Lou, playing worse players instead of the ones that should be out there. Yesterday Barrett replaced Blanco AFTER Henry hit the previous half-inning?!? Murton PINCH RUN for? 7th inning substitutions that put a worse looking defender on the field, not to mention losing OBP at the same time?

 

What is this crap? Can we please be properly managed? Put the best OFers on the team out there and get them their ABs. One of the best OFers is not Theriot. God, we have problems stringing together scoring innings at times, so we better put our best on-base guys far away from each other and split them up with Izturis and Cedeno.

 

This problem WILL catch up to us, and this [expletive] lineup build will cost us runs and wins.

[rynefan]

I'm a big Murton fan, too. I think that Lou likes Theriot a lot and is gonna give him the chances. I don't get the feeling that Lou is really into Murton right now. Hope it changes.

[Danny82]

nm Edited April 9, 2007 by Danny82

[Andy]

Cliff Floyd's playing very very well in the early going of the season. I like Murton as much as anyone, but I have no issues with Floyd playing if he keeps playing like this.

[RegulusBlue]

Oh come now, Danny. This bothered me in game two when he didn't start, but it was a little early after only one game. Now the trend is emerging.

 

Thanks for trolling, though.

 

PS- If we were 6-0 we still wouldn't have our best lineup out there with Theriot getting so many chances, and that's a failure for the manager.

[rynefan]

I agree, we just need the production, but you can't sit Murton too much. He's a young guy who needs playing time.

[Danny82]

Dammit dammit dammit!!!!!

 

I thought Murton was gonna get to play a little after being named the starter, the whole BS with him not being platooned with Floyd, and being written into the 2 spot for the year.

 

I thought Baker was fired last year. Apparently he lives on in Lou, playing worse players instead of the ones that should be out there. Yesterday Barrett replaced Blanco AFTER Henry hit the previous half-inning?!? Murton PINCH RUN for? 7th inning substitutions that put a worse looking defender on the field, not to mention losing OBP at the same time?

 

What is this crap? Can we please be properly managed? Put the best OFers on the team out there and get them their ABs. One of the best OFers is not Theriot. God, we have problems stringing together scoring innings at times, so we better put our best on-base guys far away from each other and split them up with Izturis and Cedeno.

 

This problem WILL catch up to us, and this [expletive] lineup build will cost us runs and wins.

What are you talking about?

 

Barrett didn't play yesterday.

 

Blanco didn't play on Friday.

 

Theriot ran for Floyd on Friday and Ward yesterday.

 

Murton did not play at all on Friday, he played the full game yesterday, and was part of a double switch today.

 

What again is the basis for your rant?

[inari]

I'm just glad to have a manager who actually.. you know, manages.

[RichHillIsABeast]

Murton's got a couple infield hits that make his average look ok, but he's looked like crap at the plate. Floyd has been better than fine.

 

Murton .308/.357/.308 (13 AB) 1 BB, 4 K

Floyd .375/.444/.625 (8 AB) 1 BB, 1 K

 

Murton doesn't even have an XBH yet.

Edited April 9, 2007 by RichHillIsABeast

[oldstyle81]

Murton's got a couple infield hits that make his average look ok, but he's looked like crap at the plate. Floyd has been better than fine.

 

Murton .308/.357/.308 (13 AB) 1 BB, 4 K

Floyd .375/.444/.625 (8 AB) 1 BB, 1 K

 

Murton has been unspectacular at best, not worthy of any of the man love going on in this thread so far this year.

 

7th inning substitutions that put a worse looking defender on the field

 

 

i find it funny that "worst looking defender" means anything, he has made the plays and making the plays is what matter wether you look pretty doing it or not

[PrimeTime]

I wouldnt be surprised if some people on here actually went out at get Matt Murton himself tattooed on their body.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Murton's got a couple infield hits that make his average look ok, but he's looked like crap at the plate. Floyd has been better than fine.

 

Murton .308/.357/.308 (13 AB) 1 BB, 4 K

Floyd .375/.444/.625 (8 AB) 1 BB, 1 K

 

Murton doesn't even have an XBH yet.

[CoolHandLuke]

Murton's got a couple infield hits that make his average look ok, but he's looked like crap at the plate. Floyd has been better than fine.

 

Murton .308/.357/.308 (13 AB) 1 BB, 4 K

Floyd .375/.444/.625 (8 AB) 1 BB, 1 K

 

Murton doesn't even have an XBH yet.

 

He has looked bad but thanks for pointing this out.

 

I have a problem with Theriot coming in towards the end of ballgames when he is not better in the field than Murton.

[satxcubfan]

Even though he looked sketchy at best in the OF so far, Theriot does have a 1.000 FP, so I have no problem with him yet as long as he does his job and make plays.

[RichHillIsABeast]

Murton's got a couple infield hits that make his average look ok, but he's looked like crap at the plate. Floyd has been better than fine.

 

Murton .308/.357/.308 (13 AB) 1 BB, 4 K

Floyd .375/.444/.625 (8 AB) 1 BB, 1 K

 

Murton doesn't even have an XBH yet.

 

Is there a problem with playing the hot hand?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Murton's got a couple infield hits that make his average look ok, but he's looked like crap at the plate. Floyd has been better than fine.

 

Murton .308/.357/.308 (13 AB) 1 BB, 4 K

Floyd .375/.444/.625 (8 AB) 1 BB, 1 K

 

Murton doesn't even have an XBH yet.

 

Is there a problem with playing the hot hand?

 

Yes, yes there is.

[Drew Doughty]

Even though he looked sketchy at best in the OF so far, Theriot does have a 1.000 FP, so I have no problem with him yet as long as he does his job and make plays.

 

so does murton.

[RichHillIsABeast]

Murton's got a couple infield hits that make his average look ok, but he's looked like crap at the plate. Floyd has been better than fine.

 

Murton .308/.357/.308 (13 AB) 1 BB, 4 K

Floyd .375/.444/.625 (8 AB) 1 BB, 1 K

 

Murton doesn't even have an XBH yet.

 

Is there a problem with playing the hot hand?

 

Yes, yes there is.

 

So when Murton was slumping horribly last season you'd still play him?

 

This isn't the prospect development league. It's MLB. Wins and losses matter.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Murton's got a couple infield hits that make his average look ok, but he's looked like crap at the plate. Floyd has been better than fine.

 

Murton .308/.357/.308 (13 AB) 1 BB, 4 K

Floyd .375/.444/.625 (8 AB) 1 BB, 1 K

 

Murton doesn't even have an XBH yet.

 

Is there a problem with playing the hot hand?

 

Yes, yes there is.

 

So when Murton was slumping horribly last season you'd still play him?

 

This isn't the prospect development league. It's MLB. Wins and losses matter.

 

Murton isn't some wildcard unknown, he put up an 800+ OPS last year in pretty much a full season. Floyd needs to be pretty much at his best to be worthy of more than just giving him a day off. "Playing the hot hand" is way too arbitrary and puts too much pressure on either player to produce or get benched. Either platoon them, or let one get the lions share of the starts. Considering there's probably not going to be a significant difference between Floyd and Murton v. RHP(at least one large enough to justify stunting further development of Murton, the difference between them defensively, etc.), then Murton should be starting the majority of the time.

[satxcubfan]

Even though he looked sketchy at best in the OF so far, Theriot does have a 1.000 FP, so I have no problem with him yet as long as he does his job and make plays.

 

so does murton.

 

I'm not taking anything away from Murton... I'm just saying that I don't have a problem with Theriot coming in late in the game as a defensive replacement [although I would rather see him in the IF rather than the OF]. Matt's gonna get his fair share of playing time, i guarantee it!

[oldstyle81]

Murton's got a couple infield hits that make his average look ok, but he's looked like crap at the plate. Floyd has been better than fine.

 

Murton .308/.357/.308 (13 AB) 1 BB, 4 K

Floyd .375/.444/.625 (8 AB) 1 BB, 1 K

 

Murton doesn't even have an XBH yet.

 

Is there a problem with playing the hot hand?

 

Yes, yes there is.

 

So when Murton was slumping horribly last season you'd still play him?

 

This isn't the prospect development league. It's MLB. Wins and losses matter.

 

Murton isn't some wildcard unknown, he put up an 800+ OPS last year in pretty much a full season. Floyd needs to be pretty much at his best to be worthy of more than just giving him a day off. "Playing the hot hand" is way too arbitrary and puts too much pressure on either player to produce or get benched. Either platoon them, or let one get the lions share of the starts. Considering there's probably not going to be a significant difference between Floyd and Murton v. RHP(at least one large enough to justify stunting further development of Murton, the difference between them defensively, etc.), then Murton should be starting the majority of the time.

 

They are getting paid very well to deal with the pressure and if they cant perform on the sports biggest stage, they dont deserve to be playing on it

[seanimal]

Even though he looked sketchy at best in the OF so far, Theriot does have a 1.000 FP, so I have no problem with him yet as long as he does his job and make plays.

 

so does murton.

 

I'm not taking anything away from Murton... I'm just saying that I don't have a problem with Theriot coming in late in the game as a defensive replacement [although I would rather see him in the IF rather than the OF]. Matt's gonna get his fair share of playing time, i guarantee it!

 

This whole Murton not playing enough bothers me only slightly. He WILL get his AB's. I would say that I agree with most of the moves Lou has made so far. I just can't help but laugh at the over-reacting on this board. We've played SIX GAMES.

 

SIX. GAMES. OUT OF 162. What's that like, 4%?

 

Settle down, folks. Lou is the new manager on a new team. It's going to take more than SIX GAMES to figure out what works and what doesn't.

[CubColtPacer]

Murton's got a couple infield hits that make his average look ok, but he's looked like crap at the plate. Floyd has been better than fine.

 

Murton .308/.357/.308 (13 AB) 1 BB, 4 K

Floyd .375/.444/.625 (8 AB) 1 BB, 1 K

 

Murton doesn't even have an XBH yet.

 

Is there a problem with playing the hot hand?

 

Yes, yes there is.

 

So when Murton was slumping horribly last season you'd still play him?

 

This isn't the prospect development league. It's MLB. Wins and losses matter.

 

Murton isn't some wildcard unknown, he put up an 800+ OPS last year in pretty much a full season. Floyd needs to be pretty much at his best to be worthy of more than just giving him a day off. "Playing the hot hand" is way too arbitrary and puts too much pressure on either player to produce or get benched. Either platoon them, or let one get the lions share of the starts. Considering there's probably not going to be a significant difference between Floyd and Murton v. RHP(at least one large enough to justify stunting further development of Murton, the difference between them defensively, etc.), then Murton should be starting the majority of the time.

 

First off, Murton is starting the majority of the time. He has started 4 games to Floyd's 2, and that includes 3 out of the 5 games against right-handed pitching.

 

Second, you complain about the sample size of a hot hand, and then say that Floyd is only worthy of playing time at his very best and that there will likely not be a significant difference between Floyd and Murton against right-handers? Floyd against right-handers the last 5 years:

 

2002: .306/.420/.544

2003: .305/.394/.535

2004: .269/.373/.512

2005: .290/.382/.533

2006: .266/.342/.423

 

Murton

2006: .295/.356/.426

 

The question is how much you believe Floyd's 2006 was because of the injuries, and how much value you put in Murton's 2nd half against right-handers. If Floyd rebounds though (which the way he's crushing the ball right now seems at least pretty probable), Murton is not likely at all to consistently put up around a 900 OPS or more against right-handers like Floyd did consistently before 2006.

The fact that even with these stats that Murton has played the majority of games against right-handers show how much the management values him, his development and defense along with rest for Floyd more than the other way around. If the only factor was offensive production, Floyd probably should have played a game or two more than he already has though, not a game or two less (even though I personally like them both developing Murton and giving Floyd rest by only picking their spots to insert Floyd).

[RichHillIsABeast]

Murton's got a couple infield hits that make his average look ok, but he's looked like crap at the plate. Floyd has been better than fine.

 

Murton .308/.357/.308 (13 AB) 1 BB, 4 K

Floyd .375/.444/.625 (8 AB) 1 BB, 1 K

 

Murton doesn't even have an XBH yet.

 

Is there a problem with playing the hot hand?

 

Yes, yes there is.

 

So when Murton was slumping horribly last season you'd still play him?

 

This isn't the prospect development league. It's MLB. Wins and losses matter.

 

Murton isn't some wildcard unknown, he put up an 800+ OPS last year in pretty much a full season. Floyd needs to be pretty much at his best to be worthy of more than just giving him a day off. "Playing the hot hand" is way too arbitrary and puts too much pressure on either player to produce or get benched. Either platoon them, or let one get the lions share of the starts. Considering there's probably not going to be a significant difference between Floyd and Murton v. RHP(at least one large enough to justify stunting further development of Murton, the difference between them defensively, etc.), then Murton should be starting the majority of the time.

 

So far it looks like Lou has done the right thing production-wise. To say otherwise is 20-20 hindsight. Floyd has been great. Murton has been lackluster and impatient at the plate. His infield dribblers remind me of the first half of 2006. Infield hits galore. It wasn't until the second half that he started putting it in the air and driving it.

 

I'm sure Murton will get his playing time through merit. He's a good player (not great).

 

Floyd is outproducing him at 80% health right now.

 

Over the long hall Murton will take ABs away from Floyd, but he'll have to earn it. He's not such a great prospect that a team will throw away productivity temporarily to develop him. That's the nature of the game.

 

I don't know if you've been watching the games or following via gameday/radio, but Floyd is making very solid contact. Loud outs. Booming XBH. Murton is lost. You don't have to follow splits to get the most productivity out of a platoon. Part of it's it who's hot now. If you want to play some guy b/c of last year's stats, that's not going to work.

 

Is Soriano raking right now? Izturis? DeRosa? Play the hot hand.

[oldstyle81]

Even though he looked sketchy at best in the OF so far, Theriot does have a 1.000 FP, so I have no problem with him yet as long as he does his job and make plays.

 

so does murton.

 

I'm not taking anything away from Murton... I'm just saying that I don't have a problem with Theriot coming in late in the game as a defensive replacement [although I would rather see him in the IF rather than the OF]. Matt's gonna get his fair share of playing time, i guarantee it!

 

This whole Murton not playing enough bothers me only slightly. He WILL get his AB's. I would say that I agree with most of the moves Lou has made so far. I just can't help but laugh at the over-reacting on this board. We've played SIX GAMES.

 

SIX. GAMES. OUT OF 162. What's that like, 4%?

 

Settle down, folks. Lou is the new manager on a new team. It's going to take more than SIX GAMES to figure out what works and what doesn't.

 

while one side of me agrees with you on it being very early, the other side says "the games count now"