Prior visits Yocum and Andrews; THT on Prior's Mechanics

[Laura]

What's funny is that it looks to me like 98Navigator posted the new information in the existing thread.

 

(eta: I changed the subject title after reading through the new posts, but I didn't merge any threads)

[Butterscup1679666578]

So, how long until Gallagher and/or Veal are ready to pitch in the majors? I really look forward to a day where the starting rotation is Z/Hill/Gallagher/Veal/Samardzija

 

I'd be surprised if Z were in the same rotation as Veal and Samardzija.

 

You don't think Hendry is going to lock up Z or you think Veal and Samardzija are that far off? I'll be the first to admit my minor league knowledge is minimal at best.

[CubColtPacer]

I for one would be surprised if Veal/Samardzija/Gallagher were ever in the major league rotation together for any length of time for a couple of reasons. One, the likelihood is that at least one of them will stop being so highly rated, if it is because of injury or simply ineffectiveness. Even if that isn't the case though, they are coming up a little too close together to all make a rotation of a team like the Cubs. If all 3 of them are being projected well by the end of the year, I think one of them will be traded (likely Veal or Gallagher) simply because the Cubs would not want to guarantee spots in the rotation for so many unproven players in such a short period of time, highly touted or not.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I for one would be surprised if Veal/Samardzija/Gallagher were ever in the major league rotation together for any length of time for a couple of reasons. One, the likelihood is that at least one of them will stop being so highly rated, if it is because of injury or simply ineffectiveness. Even if that isn't the case though, they are coming up a little too close together to all make a rotation of a team like the Cubs. If all 3 of them are being projected well by the end of the year, I think one of them will be traded (likely Veal or Gallagher) simply because the Cubs would not want to guarantee spots in the rotation for so many unproven players in such a short period of time, highly touted or not.

 

One of them will end up with the Yankees in the ARod deal.

[E.J.]

I for one would be surprised if Veal/Samardzija/Gallagher were ever in the major league rotation together for any length of time for a couple of reasons. One, the likelihood is that at least one of them will stop being so highly rated, if it is because of injury or simply ineffectiveness. Even if that isn't the case though, they are coming up a little too close together to all make a rotation of a team like the Cubs. If all 3 of them are being projected well by the end of the year, I think one of them will be traded (likely Veal or Gallagher) simply because the Cubs would not want to guarantee spots in the rotation for so many unproven players in such a short period of time, highly touted or not.

 

Samardzija is a ways behind Veal and Gallagher, IMO. He's still very raw. He still has a lot of work to do on his secondary pitches. He's mostly throwing fastballs so far.

[CubColtPacer]

I for one would be surprised if Veal/Samardzija/Gallagher were ever in the major league rotation together for any length of time for a couple of reasons. One, the likelihood is that at least one of them will stop being so highly rated, if it is because of injury or simply ineffectiveness. Even if that isn't the case though, they are coming up a little too close together to all make a rotation of a team like the Cubs. If all 3 of them are being projected well by the end of the year, I think one of them will be traded (likely Veal or Gallagher) simply because the Cubs would not want to guarantee spots in the rotation for so many unproven players in such a short period of time, highly touted or not.

 

Samardzija is a ways behind Veal and Gallagher, IMO. He's still very raw. He still has a lot of work to do on his secondary pitches. He's mostly throwing fastballs so far.

 

I would agree, but I can't see him as any more than 2 years behind. Veal and Gallagher might be 2008 ready, and Samardzija is in deep trouble as a prospect if he's not ready by 2010. That's one other reason why I think Veal or Gallagher will be traded-because if they are ready that soon, then they are going to run into a logjam, and there's almost no way the Cubs would allow 3/5 of their 2008 rotation to be Guzman/Veal/Gallagher.

[Andy]

I for one would be surprised if Veal/Samardzija/Gallagher were ever in the major league rotation together for any length of time for a couple of reasons. One, the likelihood is that at least one of them will stop being so highly rated, if it is because of injury or simply ineffectiveness. Even if that isn't the case though, they are coming up a little too close together to all make a rotation of a team like the Cubs. If all 3 of them are being projected well by the end of the year, I think one of them will be traded (likely Veal or Gallagher) simply because the Cubs would not want to guarantee spots in the rotation for so many unproven players in such a short period of time, highly touted or not.

 

Samardzija is a ways behind Veal and Gallagher, IMO. He's still very raw. He still has a lot of work to do on his secondary pitches. He's mostly throwing fastballs so far.

I seem to recall a lot of talk around the time of his signing that they expected him to be a full-time big leaguer by sometime in 2009. I could be way off though.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I for one would be surprised if Veal/Samardzija/Gallagher were ever in the major league rotation together for any length of time for a couple of reasons. One, the likelihood is that at least one of them will stop being so highly rated, if it is because of injury or simply ineffectiveness. Even if that isn't the case though, they are coming up a little too close together to all make a rotation of a team like the Cubs. If all 3 of them are being projected well by the end of the year, I think one of them will be traded (likely Veal or Gallagher) simply because the Cubs would not want to guarantee spots in the rotation for so many unproven players in such a short period of time, highly touted or not.

 

The first reason is why I can't see all three in the rotation at the same time.

 

The Cubs got 1.5 (counting Prior as a half) out of a much more heralded trio of Prior-Cruz-Zambrano. It's just unlikely that all three will succeed at the bigs.

 

While Samardzija is the furtherest behind, I think it's a near lock he'll make the big leagues before Veal since Samardzija is likely to get a September call-up since he's on the 40-man.

 

I have to disagree with EJ on one thing, Samardzija is throwing his slider and change - not just his FB. He's still struggling with the mechanical aspects of his secondary pitches.

[Omar]

*rips Mark Prior poster off of wall*

 

yeah, I've had it.

[Sosa21MVP]

I just don't get it. Prior didn't really have any injury history to speak of prior to his MLB career right? Did Dusty really overuse him THAT much? I guess the answers don't much matter at this point.

 

Best of luck to Mark in whatever his future holds. :cry:

[E.J.]

I just don't get it. Prior didn't really have any injury history to speak of prior to his MLB career right? Did Dusty really overuse him THAT much? I guess the answers don't much matter at this point.

 

Best of luck to Mark in whatever his future holds. :cry:

 

Well, he's got a business degree. I'm sure he can find a job in an office somewhere.

[Fro]

I for one would be surprised if Veal/Samardzija/Gallagher were ever in the major league rotation together for any length of time for a couple of reasons. One, the likelihood is that at least one of them will stop being so highly rated, if it is because of injury or simply ineffectiveness. Even if that isn't the case though, they are coming up a little too close together to all make a rotation of a team like the Cubs. If all 3 of them are being projected well by the end of the year, I think one of them will be traded (likely Veal or Gallagher) simply because the Cubs would not want to guarantee spots in the rotation for so many unproven players in such a short period of time, highly touted or not.

 

Samardzija is a ways behind Veal and Gallagher, IMO. He's still very raw. He still has a lot of work to do on his secondary pitches. He's mostly throwing fastballs so far.

 

Notre Dame luck cancels out Cubs luck, so you know Samardzija will be healthy at least.

[hitamprun]

well look at it this way, if he has surgery it means for sure he wont get any service time this year and he will be under the cubs control thru 09

 

 

Any why would you have interest in controlling Prior until 09? I have no desire to watch this guy rehab for the next two years.

[Mephistopheles]

because with surgery once the rehab is over there's a chance hes healthy.

[hitamprun]

because with surgery once the rehab is over there's a chance hes healthy.

 

 

Let me go out on a limb here - this guy has had more MRI's and doc visits then some rosters of entire teams. Since 04, they have yet to find a structural problem, and look at how much he has been on the shelf. If he actually needs surgery now (I doubt it), I would estimate his rehab time at about 5 years.

 

I would expect more of the same when he sees Yokum - structurally, everything is intact, but he has some irritation.

 

Prior was not cut out to be a reliable major league pitcher, and we have 4 years of history to prove it. 07, IMO, was his last hurrah with the Cubs, and you can stick a fork in him.

[Chris]

Prior was not cut out to be a reliable major league pitcher, and we have 4 years of history to prove it. 07, IMO, was his last hurrah with the Cubs, and you can stick a fork in him.

 

That's quite a stretch.

[hitamprun]

Prior was not cut out to be a reliable major league pitcher, and we have 4 years of history to prove it. 07, IMO, was his last hurrah with the Cubs, and you can stick a fork in him.

 

That's quite a stretch.

 

Am I the only one who sees a pattern here? Tell me why a young pitcher, can't make it out of ST for four straight seasons ready to pitch in a big league game? Every year, he has had 5 months to rest, rehab, strengthen whatever, and he still can't get ready. How do the other guys do it? Please don't tell me he was overused by Dusty, that is the lamest excuse I have ever heard, and was 4 years ago. There are many pitchers, that have pitched 200+ innings year after year, and he has only done it once.

 

This guy is missing something, and it isn't talent, but talent doesn't matter if you can't take the ball.

[Mephistopheles]

priors been hurt the entire time. whatever the problem was, hes never gotten it fixed.

[seanimal]

So, who wants to take odds on when the Cubs decide to convert Prior to a 1st baseman?

 

More like first base coach...

 

"Now, you wanna make sure on a ground ball hit to the right side that you don't run into the second baseman."

[rocket]

someone should make a clip of mark prior moments to the music of that sappy sarah maclachlane song

[seanimal]

Mark Prior should start taking steroids.

[Mephistopheles]

I will remember you

Will you remember me?

Don’t let your life pass you by

Weep not for the memories

 

Remember the good times that we had?

I let them slip away from us when things got bad

How clearly I first saw you smilin’ in the sun

Wanna feel your warmth upon me, I wanna be the one

 

I will remember you

Will you remember me?

Don’t let your life pass you by

Weep not for the memories

 

I’m so tired but I can’t sleep

Standin’ on the edge of something much too deep

It’s funny how we feel so much but we cannot say a word

We are screaming inside, but we can’t be heard

 

But I will remember you

Will you remember me?

Don’t let your life pass you by

Weep not for the memories

 

I’m so afraid to love you, but more afraid to loose

Clinging to a past that doesn’t let me choose

Once there was a darkness, deep and endless night

You gave me everything you had, oh you gave me light

 

And I will remember you

Will you remember me?

Don’t let your life pass you by

Weep not for the memories

 

And I will remember you

Will you remember me?

Don’t let your life pass you by

Weep not for the memories

Weep not for the memories

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[bc2k]

someone should make a clip of mark prior moments to the music of that sappy sarah maclachlane song

 

The Dawson's Creek one, "I don't wanna wait, for our lives to be over..."?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

someone should make a clip of mark prior moments to the music of that sappy sarah maclachlane song

 

The Dawson's Creek one, "I don't wanna wait, for our lives to be over..."?

 

Not Sarah McLachlan, that was Paula Cole.

[98navigator]

What's funny is that it looks to me like 98Navigator posted the new information in the existing thread.

 

(eta: I changed the subject title after reading through the new posts, but I didn't merge any threads)

 

You're correct, I didn't create a new thread. My first comments today, about the injury, went into the existing thread.