3/24ST Cubs (Miller) @ Giants (Zito) 3:05 CT CSN Chicago

[98navigator]

Gooz really needs to finish off hitters better.

 

In general, that has been his problem but that really wasn't evident today. Frandsen got a bloop hit ahead of the homer. It can happen to any pitcher. He finished off more hitters today than recent memory.

 

3.1 IP/ 4H / 2R / 2 ER/ 4SO/1 HR

 

Yes, more hitters than in recent memory. But he's still not at 03 levels.

 

He may never be again but that doesn't mean he can't be very effective.

[Guest]

Gooz really needs to finish off hitters better.

 

In general, that has been his problem but that really wasn't evident today. Frandsen got a bloop hit ahead of the homer. It can happen to any pitcher. He finished off more hitters today than recent memory.

 

3.1 IP/ 4H / 2R / 2 ER/ 4SO/1 HR

 

Yes, more hitters than in recent memory. But he's still not at 03 levels.

The changeup would help a lot with that.

[E.J.]

Gooz really needs to finish off hitters better.

 

In general, that has been his problem but that really wasn't evident today. Frandsen got a bloop hit ahead of the homer. It can happen to any pitcher. He finished off more hitters today than recent memory.

 

3.1 IP/ 4H / 2R / 2 ER/ 4SO/1 HR

 

Yes, more hitters than in recent memory. But he's still not at 03 levels.

The changeup would help a lot with that.

 

I mentioned this earlier. I haven't seen him use it much at all this spring. I really wonder why.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Gooz really needs to finish off hitters better.

 

In general, that has been his problem but that really wasn't evident today. Frandsen got a bloop hit ahead of the homer. It can happen to any pitcher. He finished off more hitters today than recent memory.

 

3.1 IP/ 4H / 2R / 2 ER/ 4SO/1 HR

 

Yes, more hitters than in recent memory. But he's still not at 03 levels.

The changeup would help a lot with that.

 

Yeah. :(

[Bruno7481]

Miller in ST:

 

2-0 with a 3.63 ERA and a 16/4 K/BB ratio in 17 1/3 innings.

 

Take that with you to Chicago Wade.

[Dirt Dog Sparly]

Gooz really needs to finish off hitters better.

 

In general, that has been his problem but that really wasn't evident today. Frandsen got a bloop hit ahead of the homer. It can happen to any pitcher. He finished off more hitters today than recent memory.

 

3.1 IP/ 4H / 2R / 2 ER/ 4SO/1 HR

 

Yes, more hitters than in recent memory. But he's still not at 03 levels.

The changeup would help a lot with that.

 

I mentioned this earlier. I haven't seen him use it much at all this spring. I really wonder why.

 

I said a few pages back that he may be keeping it in his back pocket for the regular season. Have a new wrinkle to show hitters. Plus a change up is more effective the second time through the order. Might be his starters mentality not wanting to show it off right away to hitters when he comes into the games.

[E.J.]

Gooz really needs to finish off hitters better.

 

In general, that has been his problem but that really wasn't evident today. Frandsen got a bloop hit ahead of the homer. It can happen to any pitcher. He finished off more hitters today than recent memory.

 

3.1 IP/ 4H / 2R / 2 ER/ 4SO/1 HR

 

Yes, more hitters than in recent memory. But he's still not at 03 levels.

The changeup would help a lot with that.

 

I mentioned this earlier. I haven't seen him use it much at all this spring. I really wonder why.

 

I said a few pages back that he may be keeping it in his back pocket for the regular season. Have a new wrinkle to show hitters. Plus a change up is more effective the second time through the order. Might be his starters mentality not wanting to show it off right away to hitters when he comes into the games.

 

But why? Why wouldn't he work on it in spring training? How is he going to throw it effectively if he isn't practicing throwing it now? And why hold it back? It's not like he's been facing the Astros or Cardinals in spring training. He's been pitching against the Angels or the Giants, teams that he won't see at all this year or will only see once or twice. The whole point of spring training is to work on your pitches. I really do wonder why he isn't working on his changeup.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

But why? Why wouldn't he work on it in spring training? How is he going to throw it effectively if he isn't practicing throwing it now? And why hold it back? It's not like he's been facing the Astros or Cardinals in spring training. He's been pitching against the Angels or the Giants, teams that he won't see at all this year or will only see once or twice. The whole point of spring training is to work on your pitches. I really do wonder why he isn't working on his changeup.

 

Could it be that nobody's worried about the changeup? Maybe the changeup is there, and he's working on the others.

[C.C.]

No BB yesterday. This staff has really cut down the walks this spring.

[Dirt Dog Sparly]

Gooz really needs to finish off hitters better.

 

In general, that has been his problem but that really wasn't evident today. Frandsen got a bloop hit ahead of the homer. It can happen to any pitcher. He finished off more hitters today than recent memory.

 

3.1 IP/ 4H / 2R / 2 ER/ 4SO/1 HR

 

Yes, more hitters than in recent memory. But he's still not at 03 levels.

The changeup would help a lot with that.

 

I mentioned this earlier. I haven't seen him use it much at all this spring. I really wonder why.

 

I said a few pages back that he may be keeping it in his back pocket for the regular season. Have a new wrinkle to show hitters. Plus a change up is more effective the second time through the order. Might be his starters mentality not wanting to show it off right away to hitters when he comes into the games.

 

But why? Why wouldn't he work on it in spring training? How is he going to throw it effectively if he isn't practicing throwing it now? And why hold it back? It's not like he's been facing the Astros or Cardinals in spring training. He's been pitching against the Angels or the Giants, teams that he won't see at all this year or will only see once or twice. The whole point of spring training is to work on your pitches. I really do wonder why he isn't working on his changeup.

 

The Cardinals and Astros might not be in in Arizona, but the scouting department is. Including the guys who normally would be looking at the draft right now. They are getting double dipped. As Bob Sanders said the change is there and he is working on his other pitches.

 

Trust me, the pitching staff is doing enough throwing in the side sessions to work on anything they want. Then the daily throwing is another time to work on change ups and fastballs.

 

I taught a guy to throw a split finger and let him toy with it during daily throwing for two weeks. We worked in the pen a week, including not tipping pitches, and then turned him lose with it. It was a nasty pitch and replaced his curve as his out pitch. The moral of the story is that you dont always need to work on things in a game setting to develop them.

[CubColtPacer]

Gooz really needs to finish off hitters better.

 

In general, that has been his problem but that really wasn't evident today. Frandsen got a bloop hit ahead of the homer. It can happen to any pitcher. He finished off more hitters today than recent memory.

 

3.1 IP/ 4H / 2R / 2 ER/ 4SO/1 HR

 

Yes, more hitters than in recent memory. But he's still not at 03 levels.

The changeup would help a lot with that.

 

I mentioned this earlier. I haven't seen him use it much at all this spring. I really wonder why.

 

I said a few pages back that he may be keeping it in his back pocket for the regular season. Have a new wrinkle to show hitters. Plus a change up is more effective the second time through the order. Might be his starters mentality not wanting to show it off right away to hitters when he comes into the games.

 

But why? Why wouldn't he work on it in spring training? How is he going to throw it effectively if he isn't practicing throwing it now? And why hold it back? It's not like he's been facing the Astros or Cardinals in spring training. He's been pitching against the Angels or the Giants, teams that he won't see at all this year or will only see once or twice. The whole point of spring training is to work on your pitches. I really do wonder why he isn't working on his changeup.

 

The Cardinals and Astros might not be in in Arizona, but the scouting department is. Including the guys who normally would be looking at the draft right now. They are getting double dipped. As Bob Sanders said the change is there and he is working on his other pitches.

 

Trust me, the pitching staff is doing enough throwing in the side sessions to work on anything they want. Then the daily throwing is another time to work on change ups and fastballs.

 

I taught a guy to throw a split finger and let him toy with it during daily throwing for two weeks. We worked in the pen a week, including not tipping pitches, and then turned him lose with it. It was a nasty pitch and replaced his curve as his out pitch. The moral of the story is that you dont always need to work on things in a game setting to develop them.

 

I don't know why Guzman was holding back though when he was trying to win the fifth starter position. One big reason why he dropped out as a candidate was because he couldn't finish hitters off in games-the change would have helped with that. If he wanted to win the fifth starter job, why would he willingly choose to not use a pitch that could be a big benefit to him winning that job?

[Omar]

I know this game is long gone.. but I would like to mention the biggest mistake made this spring training was made in this game. Bob Brenly said Dan Plesac did a "fine job" filling in for him.

 

That is all.

[A New Era]

I know this game is long gone.. but I would like to mention the biggest mistake made this spring training was made in this game. Bob Brenly said Dan Plesac did a "fine job" filling in for him.

 

That is all.

 

Speaking of Fine Job. One of the things. . . . . :roll: :wink:

[Omar]

I know this game is long gone.. but I would like to mention the biggest mistake made this spring training was made in this game. Bob Brenly said Dan Plesac did a "fine job" filling in for him.

 

That is all.

 

Speaking of Fine Job. One of the things. . . . . :roll: :wink:

 

:lol: That wasnt my point.. But Plesac is still terrible.

[A New Era]

I know this game is long gone.. but I would like to mention the biggest mistake made this spring training was made in this game. Bob Brenly said Dan Plesac did a "fine job" filling in for him.

 

That is all.

 

Speaking of Fine Job. One of the things. . . . . :roll: :wink:

 

:lol: That wasnt my point.. But Plesac is still terrible.

 

It was my point. You did get I was just joking one of the things Plesac says too much is one of the things. .