Cubs still trying to trade Jones but no one wants him?

[mg420]

" As one official from an American League team put it, the Cubs are "continuing to try to foist Jacque Jones off on someone.""

 

sounds like they want floyd in rf full time. probably a good thing if they can pull it off.

 

 

http://www.newsday.com/sports/printedition/ny-spken185135105mar18,0,4633661.column?coll=ny-sports-print

[Backtobanks]

" As one official from an American League team put it, the Cubs are "continuing to try to foist Jacque Jones off on someone.""

 

sounds like they want floyd in rf full time. probably a good thing if they can pull it off.

 

 

http://www.newsday.com/sports/printedition/ny-spken185135105mar18,0,4633661.column?coll=ny-sports-print

 

In today's Tribune, Phil Rogers suggests that they keep Pie and put him in RF for defensive purposes because Floyd can't play RF. He also stated that there are some baseball people who think RF is Derosa's best position. Finally, he suggested trading Jones even if they have to pay most of his salary. I don't understand why there is so much disinterest in Jones. I'm not saying he's the best OF in baseball, but there are some pretty mediocre players that are going to be starting for some teams. I still think that he could be a real bargain for a team that can use him in a platoon situation.

[RichHillIsABeast]

Jacque Jones doesn't have poor defensive skills. He's very much above average with the glove. His arm looks much better this year, so I think his throwing woes last season were due to the shoulder injury. All in all he's still above average in RF.

 

Floyd looks to be an absolute butcher in LF from what little I've seen of him this spring. Nice bat though.

[RynoRules]

PPP

 

Please Play Pie.

 

Trade Jacque.

[Mizzou]

Trading Jones just to trade him is stupid. He had a solid year last year, and provides great production for his contract. Unless he's demanding a trade, I see no reason to trade him.

[Amazing_Grace]

Why trade Jones now that Soriano has moved to CF? The whole point of trading him was to open up RF for Soriano and leave Murton in left. It is highly likely that Pie would not match Jones's numbers in terms of OBP, SLG, OPS, or anything else, in the majors this year. It is possible he wouldn't even come close. Soriano has spent all spring learning CF, not RF. Why put him in a new position 3 weeks into the spring? If you put Pie in and trade Jones, you trade offense for defense, which is generally a bad move. Pie may end up being a much better player than Jones, but it's unlikely he will be in his rookie season.

 

If you plan on starting Floyd and Murton at the corners, who do you go with in right? Neither is exactly a great defensive player. Murton is a possibility but not Floyd. You would also be counting on Floyd to be healthy most of the year, which is unlikely, and/or playing DeRosa a lot in the outfield, meaning you'd end up playing your crap 25th guy MI a lot more than you'd want to.

 

If the Cubs trade Jones, they'd better upgrade the offense elsewhere, and by elsewhere I do mean SS.

[Butterscup1679666578]

From what Hendry has said in the past month or so, I have a hard time believing that he is trying to still move Jacque.

[Backtobanks]

Trading Jones just to trade him is stupid. He had a solid year last year, and provides great production for his contract. Unless he's demanding a trade, I see no reason to trade him.

 

I agree, it's not like he's a .220 hitter with no power. Unless you get an offer that will definitely help the team, keep him and spot start Derosa in RF. Floyd is a total butcher in RF especially with bad legs. Use Floyd as a spot starter in LF and backup for Lee. Theriot should play 2B if Derosa is in RF. I would think that if Pie is ready at midseason, there will be a better market for Jones, especially in a package if other players (Miller, Marshall, Cedeno, Dempster) become expendable.

[BigbadB]

I agree, it's not like he's a .220 hitter with no power. Unless you get an offer that will definitely help the team, keep him and spot start Derosa in RF. Floyd is a total butcher in RF especially with bad legs. Use Floyd as a spot starter in LF and backup for Lee. Theriot should play 2B if Derosa is in RF. I would think that if Pie is ready at midseason, there will be a better market for Jones, especially in a package if other players (Miller, Marshall, Cedeno, Dempster) become expendable.

 

This is exactly the way to play it.

 

Phil Rogers just continues to write garbage that only furthers my belief that I would be wasting my time reading anything he writes. If he honestly believes the Cubs should trade Jones even if they have to pick up his entire remaining salary, I'm glad he isn't the GM of the Chicago Cubs.

 

While Jones does not feature the characteristics in a ballplayer that I prefer, he does possess value to other baseball organizations, values that those other clubs continue to prove they value.

 

People get hurt all the time. The Cubs organization should know that better than any other team in baseball. A surplus of talent is something you don't just take for granted. You use it to your advantage. If one of the Cub outfielders gets hurt, you have a decent option to replace that player. If another team loses one of their outfielders, you have a nice bargaining chip in trade.

[Sammy Sofa]

Trading Jones just to trade him makes zero sense. He did very well last year and he's looking real sharp this spring. I think he's gonna surprise a lot of people this year. If a GOOD trade comes along that improves the team, sure, jump on it, but the idea of trying to dump him seems incredibly stupid. I'm all for working with the idea that Pie will be up to play CF or RF come the dealine...by then I think the Cubs could something nice for Jacque given his salary and him hopefully doing well again a la last year along with hopefully improved defense.

[Balsa]

Trading Jones just to trade him makes zero sense. He did very well last year and he's looking real sharp this spring. I think he's gonna surprise a lot of people this year. If a GOOD trade comes along that improves the team, sure, jump on it, but the idea of trying to dump him seems incredibly stupid. I'm all for working with the idea that Pie will be up to play CF or RF come the dealine...by then I think the Cubs could something nice for Jacque given his salary and him hopefully doing well again a la last year along with hopefully improved defense.

Exactly, it really looks like his arm has improved in the offseason, and that his patience is up at the plate thanks to Perry.

 

And if they platoon him, I would actually PREFER to have Jacque on the team.

 

Trading him at this point, barring any type of Tejada-like return would be asinine.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Jacque Jones doesn't have poor defensive skills. He's very much above average with the glove. His arm looks much better this year, so I think his throwing woes last season were due to the shoulder injury. All in all he's still above average in RF.

 

Floyd looks to be an absolute butcher in LF from what little I've seen of him this spring. Nice bat though.

 

Going by Dewan's Fielding Bible, Jones is one of the worst outfielders in the game.

[cheapseats]

Jacque Jones doesn't have poor defensive skills. He's very much above average with the glove. His arm looks much better this year, so I think his throwing woes last season were due to the shoulder injury. All in all he's still above average in RF.

 

Floyd looks to be an absolute butcher in LF from what little I've seen of him this spring. Nice bat though.

 

Going by Dewan's Fielding Bible, Jones is one of the worst outfielders in the game.

 

Yeah, but Dewan's take on Jacque isn't corroborated by MGL, Dial, etc. My guess is that he doesn't properly account for the strange RF dimensions of the Metrodome.

 

I have a lot more faith in Dewan's rankings for middle infielders than I do for corner outfielders.

[Backtobanks]

Jacque Jones doesn't have poor defensive skills. He's very much above average with the glove. His arm looks much better this year, so I think his throwing woes last season were due to the shoulder injury. All in all he's still above average in RF.

 

Floyd looks to be an absolute butcher in LF from what little I've seen of him this spring. Nice bat though.

 

Going by Dewan's Fielding Bible, Jones is one of the worst outfielders in the game.

 

He's got to be head and shoulders ahead of Floyd (especially with bum legs).

[bhogg]

Just speculating, but maybe Jones is not a "lou player." Maybe Jones doesn't want to be a part of the team.

[BDWeav71]

Jacque Jones doesn't have poor defensive skills. He's very much above average with the glove. His arm looks much better this year, so I think his throwing woes last season were due to the shoulder injury. All in all he's still above average in RF.

 

Floyd looks to be an absolute butcher in LF from what little I've seen of him this spring. Nice bat though.

 

Going by Dewan's Fielding Bible, Jones is one of the worst outfielders in the game.

 

 

 

Isn't it Dewan's that had Juan Pierre very high on their list? I seem to remember hearing about how they projected him as the GG winner in 2006, but i may be thinking of something else.

[Mephistopheles]

most systematic approaches concluded that JP deserved the GG last year.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Jacque Jones doesn't have poor defensive skills. He's very much above average with the glove. His arm looks much better this year, so I think his throwing woes last season were due to the shoulder injury. All in all he's still above average in RF.

 

Floyd looks to be an absolute butcher in LF from what little I've seen of him this spring. Nice bat though.

 

Going by Dewan's Fielding Bible, Jones is one of the worst outfielders in the game.

 

 

 

Isn't it Dewan's that had Juan Pierre very high on their list? I seem to remember hearing about how they projected him as the GG winner in 2006, but i may be thinking of something else.

 

Dewan didn't have Pierre rated very highly before 2006. The Fielding Bible was released before last season.

[Omar]

I wouldnt mind trading him for prospects. Murton, Pie, Soriano left to right would make me happy.

[dew1679666265]

Trading Jones just to trade him is stupid. He had a solid year last year, and provides great production for his contract. Unless he's demanding a trade, I see no reason to trade him.

 

I agree, it's not like he's a .220 hitter with no power. Unless you get an offer that will definitely help the team, keep him and spot start Derosa in RF. Floyd is a total butcher in RF especially with bad legs. Use Floyd as a spot starter in LF and backup for Lee. Theriot should play 2B if Derosa is in RF. I would think that if Pie is ready at midseason, there will be a better market for Jones, especially in a package if other players (Miller, Marshall, Cedeno, Dempster) become expendable.

 

Not sure if I missed something but I think Ward is the likely primary backup at first.

Otherwise, I agree with everything you said.

[cheapseats]

most systematic approaches concluded that JP deserved the GG last year.

 

Yup. Some that don't take throwing into account had Pierre as the best CF in baseball last year. Dewan's method, that does account for throws from the outfield, had Pierre as third-best in 2006.

[Backtobanks]

Trading Jones just to trade him is stupid. He had a solid year last year, and provides great production for his contract. Unless he's demanding a trade, I see no reason to trade him.

 

I agree, it's not like he's a .220 hitter with no power. Unless you get an offer that will definitely help the team, keep him and spot start Derosa in RF. Floyd is a total butcher in RF especially with bad legs. Use Floyd as a spot starter in LF and backup for Lee. Theriot should play 2B if Derosa is in RF. I would think that if Pie is ready at midseason, there will be a better market for Jones, especially in a package if other players (Miller, Marshall, Cedeno, Dempster) become expendable.

 

Not sure if I missed something but I think Ward is the likely primary backup at first.Otherwise, I agree with everything you said.

 

Today's Tribune lists the likely bullpen candidates and then goes through the bench. I wonder if it was an omission that they didn't include Ward's name. Also, in the Cub's notes section, they talked about Ward really struggling and if he doesn't get it together he could be replaced by Coats (who also wasn't mentioned as being on the bench). They did include Cedeno as a sub.

[Elrhino]

I'm ecstatic that Pie is having a great spring, but he still has A LOT to work on in the minor leagues. If he's still tearing the cover off the ball by July without going through an extended slump, fine, by all means, dump Jones. But to just foist him into the starting lineup when his minor league production has been so incredibly streaky is so unbelievably risky and stupid that only Jim Hendry could think of it.

[goonys evil twin]

Trading Jones just to trade him is stupid. He had a solid year last year, and provides great production for his contract. Unless he's demanding a trade, I see no reason to trade him.

 

I agree, it's not like he's a .220 hitter with no power. Unless you get an offer that will definitely help the team, keep him and spot start Derosa in RF. Floyd is a total butcher in RF especially with bad legs. Use Floyd as a spot starter in LF and backup for Lee. Theriot should play 2B if Derosa is in RF. I would think that if Pie is ready at midseason, there will be a better market for Jones, especially in a package if other players (Miller, Marshall, Cedeno, Dempster) become expendable.

 

Not sure if I missed something but I think Ward is the likely primary backup at first.Otherwise, I agree with everything you said.

 

Today's Tribune lists the likely bullpen candidates and then goes through the bench. I wonder if it was an omission that they didn't include Ward's name. Also, in the Cub's notes section, they talked about Ward really struggling and if he doesn't get it together he could be replaced by Coats (who also wasn't mentioned as being on the bench). They did include Cedeno as a sub.

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-070318cubsa,1,515226.story?coll=chi-sportstop-hed

 

With 12 pitchers, the Cubs have room for only five extra players, four not counting backup catcher Henry Blanco.

 

The favorites are Theriot, Daryle Ward, the winner of the Ronny Cedeno/Tomas Perez infield battle and the left fielder who doesn't start, either Matt Murton or Cliff Floyd.

[98navigator]

Trading Jones just to trade him is stupid. He had a solid year last year, and provides great production for his contract. Unless he's demanding a trade, I see no reason to trade him.

 

I agree, it's not like he's a .220 hitter with no power. Unless you get an offer that will definitely help the team, keep him and spot start Derosa in RF. Floyd is a total butcher in RF especially with bad legs. Use Floyd as a spot starter in LF and backup for Lee. Theriot should play 2B if Derosa is in RF. I would think that if Pie is ready at midseason, there will be a better market for Jones, especially in a package if other players (Miller, Marshall, Cedeno, Dempster) become expendable.

 

Not sure if I missed something but I think Ward is the likely primary backup at first.Otherwise, I agree with everything you said.

 

Today's Tribune lists the likely bullpen candidates and then goes through the bench. I wonder if it was an omission that they didn't include Ward's name. Also, in the Cub's notes section, they talked about Ward really struggling and if he doesn't get it together he could be replaced by Coats (who also wasn't mentioned as being on the bench). They did include Cedeno as a sub.

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-070318cubsa,1,515226.story?coll=chi-sportstop-hed

 

With 12 pitchers, the Cubs have room for only five extra players, four not counting backup catcher Henry Blanco.

 

The favorites are Theriot, Daryle Ward, the winner of the Ronny Cedeno/Tomas Perez infield battle and the left fielder who doesn't start, either Matt Murton or Cliff Floyd.

 

I think this was what the poster was referring to:

 

Ward struggles

 

Off-season signee Daryle Ward went 0-for-3 while playing first base Sunday, dropping his spring average to .111.

 

"He's not swinging the bat at all," Piniella said. "It looks like he's feeling for the ball. He's going to get some at-bats [Monday] because he's playing against Milwaukee."

 

Ward, who was signed as a left-handed pinch-hitter for $1 million, hit .308 with seven homers and 26 RBIs in 98 games with Washington and Atlanta last year. If he doesn't start hitting, he could be challenged by young Buck Coats

 

It was added to the Trib's website last night but technically it's for today's paper... I think van Dyck is reaching a bit; Daryle Ward is going to be on this roster.

 

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