From the Sox board about the Vasquez signing

[JonnyRed]

This comment from a Sox fan pretty much sums up their moronic fanbase:

 

You are so off-base. The Cubs threw tons of money at ****ty pitchers with losing records. We just signed a market-level contract with a pitcher with ace-level stuff who is ready to settle in and win 18-22 games this year. You forget, the Cubs don't have Don Cooper working with pitchers and Kenny Williams making the decisions. Those two things make any comparison moot.

 

Hilarious...

Sure, he's somehow going to go from back-to-back 11 win seasons to 18-22 wins. And isn't Don Cooper still waiting for his first Cy Young winner?

 

I know there are Cubs fans out there too, but this was just too much!

[BigSlick]

Something about wins

 

Whats that now?

 

EDIT: I will say this, why is Don Cooper so greatly rewarded for his pitching staff of 2005, but not admonished for how badly they pitched in 2006?

[otis89]

If Jon Garland can win 18 games for the Sox like he did last year, I see no reason why Vasquez can't. With the White Sox, you're going to get run support. If you give up 5 runs, but your team scores 6, you still get the win, even though you pitched poorly. Wins are not that great for determining how good a pitcher is.

[Sammy Sofa]

If Jon Garland can win 18 games for the Sox like he did last year, I see no reason why Vasquez can't. With the White Sox, you're going to get run support. If you give up 5 runs, but your team scores 6, you still get the win, even though you pitched poorly. Wins are not that great for determining how good a pitcher is.

 

See Marquis, Jason (2006).

[RationalSoxFan]

I'm amped about the deal. Javy has the stuff and has shown some good peripherals. IMHO, he's a much better investment than Buehrle.

[98navigator]

If Jon Garland can win 18 games for the Sox like he did last year, I see no reason why Vasquez can't. With the White Sox, you're going to get run support. If you give up 5 runs, but your team scores 6, you still get the win, even though you pitched poorly. Wins are not that great for determining how good a pitcher is.

 

Huh? Vazquez went 11-12 last year with the same offense Garland had. Wins aren't everything but this guy is a 9 year veteran with a career 100-105 record. I think some conclusions can be drawn from that information.

 

Don't get me wrong, wins can be misleading. I noticed, during the ST game with the Sox, that Garland had a .294 BAA last year. He wasn't fooling anyone yet he managed to pick up wins.

[BigSlick]

If Jon Garland can win 18 games for the Sox like he did last year, I see no reason why Vasquez can't. With the White Sox, you're going to get run support. If you give up 5 runs, but your team scores 6, you still get the win, even though you pitched poorly. Wins are not that great for determining how good a pitcher is.

 

Huh? Vazquez went 11-12 last year with the same offense Garland had. Wins aren't everything but this guy is a 9 year veteran with a career 100-105 record. I think some conclusions can be drawn from that information.

 

Don't get me wrong, wins can be misleading. I noticed, during the ST game with the Sox, that Garland had a .294 BAA last year. He wasn't fooling anyone yet he managed to pick up wins.

 

 

Aaaaaaaaarrrrrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhh

 

Just because you are on the same team doesn't mean you get the same run support. Logic would dictate that you do, but that is hardly ever the case. Because of the streaky nature of hitting and how random it is, many times there is a run support differential between pitchers.

[radarluv1]

If Jon Garland can win 18 games for the Sox like he did last year, I see no reason why Vasquez can't. With the White Sox, you're going to get run support. If you give up 5 runs, but your team scores 6, you still get the win, even though you pitched poorly. Wins are not that great for determining how good a pitcher is.

 

Huh? Vazquez went 11-12 last year with the same offense Garland had. Wins aren't everything but this guy is a 9 year veteran with a career 100-105 record. I think some conclusions can be drawn from that information.

 

Don't get me wrong, wins can be misleading. I noticed, during the ST game with the Sox, that Garland had a .294 BAA last year. He wasn't fooling anyone yet he managed to pick up wins.

 

 

Aaaaaaaaarrrrrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhh

 

Just because you are on the same team doesn't mean you get the same run support. Logic would dictate that you do, but that is hardly ever the case. Because of the streaky nature of hitting and how random it is, many times there is a run support differential between pitchers.

 

you could've looked up the actual numbers to prove your point. i could've too, but i''m real lazy

[TruffleShuffle]

I'm amped about the deal. Javy has the stuff and has shown some good peripherals. IMHO, he's a much better investment than Buehrle.

 

The 81 HR allowed in 3 years is not a particularly good peripheral.

[reggiemiller rules]

I'm amped about the deal. Javy has the stuff and has shown some good peripherals. IMHO, he's a much better investment than Buehrle.

 

The 81 HR allowed in 3 years is not a particularly good peripheral.

 

Marquis might consider it good, as it would be an improvement over his last 3 years. But this is still a horrible deal for a not very good pitcher.

[TruffleShuffle]

I'm amped about the deal. Javy has the stuff and has shown some good peripherals. IMHO, he's a much better investment than Buehrle.

 

The 81 HR allowed in 3 years is not a particularly good peripheral.

 

Marquis might consider it good, as it would be an improvement over his last 3 years.

 

Actually it wouldn't be, my math was wrong and Vasquez gave up 91 HR in the past 3 years.

[reggiemiller rules]

I'm amped about the deal. Javy has the stuff and has shown some good peripherals. IMHO, he's a much better investment than Buehrle.

 

The 81 HR allowed in 3 years is not a particularly good peripheral.

 

Marquis might consider it good, as it would be an improvement over his last 3 years.

 

Actually it wouldn't be, my math was wrong and Vasquez gave up 91 HR in the past 3 years.

 

Well then they are pretty much even. I think I would rather have Marquis though. Yeah he was terrible last year, but he was actually one of the Cardinals more reliable starters the previous 2 years. He will never be great, but I see no reason why he cant get back to a 4.35-4.50 era with the Cubs.

[BigbadB]

Run support in 2006:

 

Jon Garland: 5.66

Javier Vasquez: 5.59

[RationalSoxFan]

He gave up a lot of HR in 05-06, but only 23 last season. I believe in his ability to settle down.

 

Can we all agree it's a better investment than giving the same contract to Buehrle?

[TruffleShuffle]

He gave up a lot of HR in 05-06, but only 23 last season. I believe in his ability to settle down.

 

Can we all agree it's a better investment than giving the same contract to Buehrle?

 

No. Buehrle was really good up until last year. Vasquez hasn't been really good for a while now.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Can we all agree it's a better investment than giving the same contract to Buehrle?

 

Hopefully.

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

Vazquez has the strongest periphs on that staff, as well as the best arm and stuff.

 

I could see them getting a nice return on this deal. I thought it was a smart contract. Too many people are putting too much stock into his ERA.