Jason Marquis Facts

[CubColtPacer]

.7 is a sizable difference when you're around league average. No one's saying he "deserved" the ERA in 2001.

 

I'm saying you can't call all 3 years as luck and defense-3 good years out of 6 with 2 different clubs is not likely to be luck. He started out with more strikeouts and walks in 01, and then in 04 he cut down on both his strikeouts and walks. Don't you think Marquis must be doing something to create some of this "luck" to have as many good years as he has had?

[Mephistopheles]

as i edited in. 2001 was a bit of a fluke because of RA/ERA. 2004 was just a bit of luck. He was probably close to average overall then because of his 60+ GB rate. 2005 was a lot of luck. As I said a pitcher only controls like 1/4 of his ERA.

[treebird]

.7 is a sizable difference when you're around league average. No one's saying he "deserved" the ERA in 2001.

 

I'm saying you can't call all 3 years as luck and defense-3 good years out of 6 with 2 different clubs is not likely to be luck. He started out with more strikeouts and walks in 01, and then in 04 he cut down on both his strikeouts and walks. Don't you think Marquis must be doing something to create some of this "luck" to have as many good years as he has had?

 

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/dt/marquja01.php

 

If you look at these numbers, and in particular the NRA and DERA numbers (click them for an explanation), you'll find that Marquis actually only has two good seasons (good = anything above average) and that he's had the benefit of pitching in front of a good defense every year of his career.

[sethuel1]

Jason Marquis is not a strikeout pitcher. Batters swing at his first pitch 70% of the time.

 

Jason Marquis's sinkerball is carried to the plate by fairies 45% of the time.

[Mephistopheles]

and all you need to know is that NRA and DERA has 4.50 = league average and that NRA is NOT defense independent.

[CubColtPacer]

.7 is a sizable difference when you're around league average. No one's saying he "deserved" the ERA in 2001.

 

I'm saying you can't call all 3 years as luck and defense-3 good years out of 6 with 2 different clubs is not likely to be luck. He started out with more strikeouts and walks in 01, and then in 04 he cut down on both his strikeouts and walks. Don't you think Marquis must be doing something to create some of this "luck" to have as many good years as he has had?

 

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/dt/marquja01.php

 

If you look at these numbers, and in particular the NRA and DERA numbers (click them for an explanation), you'll find that Marquis actually only has two good seasons (good = anything above average) and that he's had the benefit of pitching in front of a good defense every year of his career.

 

I also see how they have him as about a career league average pitcher-which is how I see him, an average pitcher.

 

Edit: When I said that, I was looking at his translated statistics, which I'm still not sure about either-I would have to know the exact calculations that went in to DERA and NRA before I'm ready to attach the credibility to it that it probably deserves.

Edited February 16, 2007 by CubColtPacer

[treebird]

.7 is a sizable difference when you're around league average. No one's saying he "deserved" the ERA in 2001.

 

I'm saying you can't call all 3 years as luck and defense-3 good years out of 6 with 2 different clubs is not likely to be luck. He started out with more strikeouts and walks in 01, and then in 04 he cut down on both his strikeouts and walks. Don't you think Marquis must be doing something to create some of this "luck" to have as many good years as he has had?

 

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/dt/marquja01.php

 

If you look at these numbers, and in particular the NRA and DERA numbers (click them for an explanation), you'll find that Marquis actually only has two good seasons (good = anything above average) and that he's had the benefit of pitching in front of a good defense every year of his career.

 

I also see how they have him as about a career league average pitcher-which is how I see him, an average pitcher.

 

what number are you using to come to that conclusion?

 

praa = pitching runs above average

 

jason marquis career average= -62 for his career

[Mephistopheles]

Um, did you just decide to not read? 4.50 in DERA is league average. It's adjusted to make it that. His career DERA is 5.13.

 

Not. Close.

[Omar]

Some more interesting facts on Jason Marquis...

 

Guns don't kill people. Jason Marquis kills People.

 

There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of animals Jason Marquis allows to live.

 

Jason Marquis does not sleep. He waits.

 

The chief export of Jason Marquis is Pain.

 

Jason Marquis has two speeds. Walk, and Kill.

 

The leading causes of death in the United States are: 1. Heart Disease 2. Jason Marquis 3. Cancer

 

Jason Marquis drives an ice cream truck covered in human skulls.

 

Jason Marquis is my Homeboy.

 

Jason Marquis doesn't go hunting.... Jason Marquis GOES KILLING

 

When the Boogeyman goes to sleep every night, he checks his closet for Jason Marquis.

 

Jason Marquis doesn't read books. He stares them down until he gets the information he wants.

 

There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Jason Marquis has allowed to live.

 

Outer space exists because it's afraid to be on the same planet with Jason Marquis.

 

Jason Marquis does not sleep. He waits.

 

Jason Marquis is currently suing NBC, claiming Law and Order are trademarked names for his left and right legs.

 

Jason Marquis is the reason why Waldo is hiding.

 

Jason Marquis counted to infinity - twice.

 

 

When Jason Marquis does a pushup, he isn’t lifting himself up, he’s pushing the Earth down.

 

Jason Marquis is so fast, he can run around the world and punch himself in the back of the head.

 

Jason Marquis’ hand is the only hand that can beat a Royal Flush.

 

There is no such thing as global warming. Jason Marquis was cold, so he turned the sun up.

 

Jason Marquis can lead a horse to water AND make it drink.

 

Jason Marquis doesn’t wear a watch, HE decides what time it is.

 

Jason Marquis gave Mona Lisa that smile.

 

Jason Marquis does not get frostbite. Jason Marquis bites frost.

[mg420]

Some more interesting facts on Jason Marquis...

 

Guns don't kill people. Jason Marquis kills People.

 

There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of animals Jason Marquis allows to live.

 

Jason Marquis does not sleep. He waits.

 

The chief export of Jason Marquis is Pain.

 

Jason Marquis has two speeds. Walk, and Kill.

 

The leading causes of death in the United States are: 1. Heart Disease 2. Jason Marquis 3. Cancer

 

Jason Marquis drives an ice cream truck covered in human skulls.

 

Jason Marquis is my Homeboy.

 

Jason Marquis doesn't go hunting.... Jason Marquis GOES KILLING

 

When the Boogeyman goes to sleep every night, he checks his closet for Jason Marquis.

 

Jason Marquis doesn't read books. He stares them down until he gets the information he wants.

 

There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Jason Marquis has allowed to live.

 

Outer space exists because it's afraid to be on the same planet with Jason Marquis.

 

Jason Marquis does not sleep. He waits.

 

Jason Marquis is currently suing NBC, claiming Law and Order are trademarked names for his left and right legs.

 

Jason Marquis is the reason why Waldo is hiding.

 

Jason Marquis counted to infinity - twice.

 

 

When Jason Marquis does a pushup, he isn’t lifting himself up, he’s pushing the Earth down.

 

Jason Marquis is so fast, he can run around the world and punch himself in the back of the head.

 

Jason Marquis’ hand is the only hand that can beat a Royal Flush.

 

There is no such thing as global warming. Jason Marquis was cold, so he turned the sun up.

 

Jason Marquis can lead a horse to water AND make it drink.

 

Jason Marquis doesn’t wear a watch, HE decides what time it is.

 

Jason Marquis gave Mona Lisa that smile.

 

Jason Marquis does not get frostbite. Jason Marquis bites frost.

 

you make him sound alot like chuck norris. i wonder what kind of roundhouse kick marquis has?

[CubColtPacer]

Um, did you just decide to not read? 4.50 in DERA is league average. It's adjusted to make it that. His career DERA is 5.13.

 

Not. Close.

 

I edited my post-I didn't read your post on DERA or NRA until after I had finished my post, and as I said in that post, I'd need to know the exact calculations that went into it before attaching the credibility to it that it probably deserves.

Edited February 16, 2007 by CubColtPacer

[mg420]

Jason Marquis is not a strikeout pitcher. Batters swing at his first pitch 70% of the time.

 

Jason Marquis's sinkerball is carried to the plate by fairies 45% of the time.

 

not that there is anything wrong with that.

[sethuel1]

Um, did you just decide to not read? 4.50 in DERA is league average. It's adjusted to make it that. His career DERA is 5.13.

 

Not. Close.

 

I edited my post-I didn't read your post on DERA or NRA until after I had finished my post, and as I said in that post, I'd need to know the exact calculations that went into it before attaching the credibility to I that it probably deserves.

 

Which means you'll be coming back to admit he's not a league average pitcher in 3...2....1...

[CubColtPacer]

Um, did you just decide to not read? 4.50 in DERA is league average. It's adjusted to make it that. His career DERA is 5.13.

 

Not. Close.

 

I edited my post-I didn't read your post on DERA or NRA until after I had finished my post, and as I said in that post, I'd need to know the exact calculations that went into it before attaching the credibility to I that it probably deserves.

 

Which means you'll be coming back to admit he's not a league average pitcher in 3...2....1...

 

Let's just say this-not anytime soon. Although I freely admit that I will not be surprsied if Marquis has an ERA below 4 or an ERA above 6, and there's not many pitchers I can say that about.

[mg420]

perhaps you marquis bashers should look at what carpenter did in 5+ seasons with the jays before he became a card. jason certainly has the stuff to turn his career around too. quoting stats on why he has been a bad pitcher doesnt mean he wont be a good one in the future.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/carpech01.shtml

[Mephistopheles]

Um, did you just decide to not read? 4.50 in DERA is league average. It's adjusted to make it that. His career DERA is 5.13.

 

Not. Close.

 

I edited my post-I didn't read your post on DERA or NRA until after I had finished my post, and as I said in that post, I'd need to know the exact calculations that went into it before attaching the credibility to I that it probably deserves.

 

this isn't going to be exactly the same....

 

FIP ERA = C - 2*K/IP + 3*BB/IP + 13*HR/IP; C is a league environment constant

 

Modified versions use HR = 12.5%*OFB%*BF/IP give or take.

 

Take and put it into this equation = League FIP^2/(FIP^2 + League Fip^2) = WPCT

 

Then WPCT = 4.5^2/(DFIP^2 + 4.5^2)

 

DFIP = [(4.5^2*WPCT - 4.5^2)/(-WPCT)]^(1/2)

 

it's pretty much that.

[Mephistopheles]

perhaps you marquis bashers should look at what carpenter did in 5+ seasons with the jays before he became a card. jason certainly has the stuff to turn his career around too. quoting stats on why he has been a bad pitcher doesnt mean he wont be a good one in the future.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/carpech01.shtml

Carpenter is the outsider, not the normal path and his DERA in Toronto was NOWHERE near as bad as Marquis'.

[UK1679666180]

perhaps you marquis bashers should look at what carpenter did in 5+ seasons with the jays before he became a card. jason certainly has the stuff to turn his career around too. quoting stats on why he has been a bad pitcher doesnt mean he wont be a good one in the future.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/carpech01.shtml

 

While there's a likely chance that Marquis will improve over his '06 numbers, it makes no sense to include Carpenter as a point of reference. Marquis has been healthy his entire career unlike Carpenter and Marquis doesn't have the FB, curve, control, or command of Carpenter.

[Amazing_Grace]

So basically you're saying Marquis is not as good as Rich Hill or Carlos Zambrano and barely worth a roster spot, let alone being worth 21M over 3 years. I wholeheartedly concur.

[Mephistopheles]

and Carpenter did that in Toronto against the powerhouse Yankees and Red Sox.

[imb]

perhaps you marquis bashers should look at what carpenter did in 5+ seasons with the jays before he became a card. jason certainly has the stuff to turn his career around too. quoting stats on why he has been a bad pitcher doesnt mean he wont be a good one in the future.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/carpech01.shtml

 

While there's a likely chance that Marquis will improve over his '06 numbers, it makes no sense to include Carpenter as a point of reference. Marquis has been healthy his entire career unlike Carpenter and Marquis doesn't have the FB, curve, control, or command of Carpenter.

 

But other than everything, they might as well be identical twins.

[Garwilly]

Oh shut up. If anything it shows how much he sucks. Of course we all (hopefully) know that but they're interesting none the less. Next time don't be a dick about it.

 

Um, did you just decide to not read?

 

Lol, I'm told to shut up, and that I'm a dick. Then you call out posters reding ability.

 

I'm not entirely sure what radio program it is, but you sir, are a......

[Mephistopheles]

Yeah why don't you go read what I was calling him out on.

[Garwilly]

Yeah why don't you go read what I was calling him out on.

 

I don't really care. (If you really want to get into a pissing match, I'm all yours.)

[Mephistopheles]

Okay if you don't care you probably shouldn't be posting.