The Bears Offseason Thread

[Soriano12]

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This could take our defense to the 85 Bear level serioulsy. We have been a top 3 D the past two seasons without pro-bowl saftey play for the most part. The Cover-2 needs a jagguarnaut back there!

 

Do it Jerry!

[Banedon]

The skins board is going bananas because the news out of DC Radio (The John Thompson Show) is that Briggs and the Redskins have agreed to contract and are waiting for the Bears to sign off on the trade.

 

FROM 980: Briggs, Rosenhaus and Skin's agree to contract - 20 mil guaranteed. Just waiting for the Bears to approve...From WTEM

 

There's Rosenhaus stirring things up again. The Bears approval is no small thing.

 

EDIT: Did the Bears give Briggs/Rosenhaus permission to seek a trade or talk contract with another team? How is this not tampering?

[rawaction]

The skins board is going bananas because the news out of DC Radio (The John Thompson Show) is that Briggs and the Redskins have agreed to contract and are waiting for the Bears to sign off on the trade.

 

FROM 980: Briggs, Rosenhaus and Skin's agree to contract - 20 mil guaranteed. Just waiting for the Bears to approve...From WTEM

 

There's Rosenhaus stirring things up again. The Bears approval is no small thing.

 

EDIT: Did the Bears give Briggs/Rosenhaus permission to seek a trade or talk contract with another team? How is this not tampering?

 

Yeah, I don't know if that's legal unless the Bears give him permission to do so, ala Thomas Jones.

[Handlebar McSkullet]

The skins board is going bananas because the news out of DC Radio (The John Thompson Show) is that Briggs and the Redskins have agreed to contract and are waiting for the Bears to sign off on the trade.

 

FROM 980: Briggs, Rosenhaus and Skin's agree to contract - 20 mil guaranteed. Just waiting for the Bears to approve...From WTEM

 

There's Rosenhaus stirring things up again. The Bears approval is no small thing.

 

EDIT: Did the Bears give Briggs/Rosenhaus permission to seek a trade or talk contract with another team? How is this not tampering?

 

Yeah, I don't know if that's legal unless the Bears give him permission to do so, ala Thomas Jones.

 

Apparently, Briggs has the right to negotiate freely with other teams. Remember, technically the Redskins could sign him officially, but give up their next two first round picks... which isnt completely beyond the Redskins logic these days.

[cubweiser03]

Sun-Times...

Sources said the Redskins are set to pay Briggs $20 million in guaranteed money as part of a multiyear deal that will average $7.5 million per season.

[Soul]

Now hold on a second, how does franchising him three times and Briggs not playing for us during this time help the Bears?

It doesn't at all. Briggs totally went about this the wrong way, so we should return in kind.

 

Who cares? I want to what is best for the Bears and having a vendetta with Briggs doesn't seem like that would be the best way.

 

The point was, the Skins did this and wound up rewarded with 2 1st rounders. If we wait, it *could* result in a better deal than swapping 1st round picks, which is what some have suggested isn't good enough.

 

I definitely don't want to just exercise a vendetta for no reason though. I think this is a pretty tough situation to be in, for both sides. First of all, the whole franchise rule is being subverted on a semi-regular basis by players, which is threatening to undermine the entire rule itself. So that puts the whole thing on shaky ground from the beginning. And because of that, it puts both player & GM in a bad position, trying to figure out how to best help themselves in the face of a set of rules that either can't be enforced or don't hold up.

[Soul]

Sun-Times...

Sources said the Redskins are set to pay Briggs $20 million in guaranteed money as part of a multiyear deal that will average $7.5 million per season.

 

Briggs is free to negotiate and sign elsewhere. The compensation, according to league rules, is 2 1st rounders.

 

If they're "waiting for Bears approval" then I assume they don't want to give up the 2 1st rounders.

[YearofDaCubs]

Sun-Times...

Sources said the Redskins are set to pay Briggs $20 million in guaranteed money as part of a multiyear deal that will average $7.5 million per season.

 

Briggs is free to negotiate and sign elsewhere. The compensation, according to league rules, is 2 1st rounders.

 

If they're "waiting for Bears approval" then I assume they don't want to give up the 2 1st rounders.

Wow, even if we can get a first rounder and keep ours that would be well worth it.

[CubColtPacer]

Now hold on a second, how does franchising him three times and Briggs not playing for us during this time help the Bears?

It doesn't at all. Briggs totally went about this the wrong way, so we should return in kind.

 

Who cares? I want to what is best for the Bears and having a vendetta with Briggs doesn't seem like that would be the best way.

 

The point was, the Skins did this and wound up rewarded with 2 1st rounders. If we wait, it *could* result in a better deal than swapping 1st round picks, which is what some have suggested isn't good enough.

 

True-in fairness though, that is the only time in the history of the league that it is ever happened, and it set back the franchise that did it a couple years (in fact its labeled as the worst move in the short Panthers history)-I doubt anyone is going to be trying that anytime soon, although if anybody would be silly enough to try something like that, Washington would. I was hearing though when it Peyton was franchised for a couple weeks 3-4 years back that it was unlikely that anybody would even sign him and give up 2 first rounders.

 

I do think that if people want the extra pick rather than the top pick, that the Bears probably could get a pick in the 20's or maybe a little later for Briggs. That's not worth quite as much as moving up to 6, but it does pick up an extra pick that may fill a need.

[YearofDaCubs]

Now hold on a second, how does franchising him three times and Briggs not playing for us during this time help the Bears?

It doesn't at all. Briggs totally went about this the wrong way, so we should return in kind.

 

Who cares? I want to what is best for the Bears and having a vendetta with Briggs doesn't seem like that would be the best way.

 

The point was, the Skins did this and wound up rewarded with 2 1st rounders. If we wait, it *could* result in a better deal than swapping 1st round picks, which is what some have suggested isn't good enough.

 

True-in fairness though, that is the only time in the history of the league that it is ever happened, and it set back the franchise that did it a couple years (in fact its labeled as the worst move in the short Panthers history)-I doubt anyone is going to be trying that anytime soon, although if anybody would be silly enough to try something like that, Washington would. I was hearing though when it Peyton was franchised for a couple weeks 3-4 years back that it was unlikely that anybody would even sign him and give up 2 first rounders.

 

I do think that if people want the extra pick rather than the top pick, that the Bears probably could get a pick in the 20's or maybe a little later for Briggs. That's not worth quite as much as moving up to 6, but it does pick up an extra pick that may fill a need.

Hopefully Angelo can exchange the 1st picks and steal their 2nd rounder. Probably a lot to ask for but hey if they get that you can't complain.

[CubColtPacer]

 

True-in fairness though, that is the only time in the history of the league that it is ever happened, and it set back the franchise that did it a couple years (in fact its labeled as the worst move in the short Panthers history)-I doubt anyone is going to be trying that anytime soon, although if anybody would be silly enough to try something like that, Washington would. I was hearing though when it Peyton was franchised for a couple weeks 3-4 years back that it was unlikely that anybody would even sign him and give up 2 first rounders.

 

I do think that if people want the extra pick rather than the top pick, that the Bears probably could get a pick in the 20's or maybe a little later for Briggs. That's not worth quite as much as moving up to 6, but it does pick up an extra pick that may fill a need.

Hopefully Angelo can exchange the 1st picks and steal their 2nd rounder. Probably a lot to ask for but hey if they get that you can't complain.

 

I hope you wouldn't complain-that would be quite a steal:)

 

Seriously though, if you read the Redskins board on the thread, most of them want the Bears to throw in their 2nd or 3rd rounder to make this deal even. While I think that's definitely excessive, the 6 for the 31 and Briggs is tilted a little bit towards the Bears. (Just think-the Redskins could probably trade down twice and get at least two extra second round picks along with a first round pick at 28-32. Briggs is likely worth less than 2 second round picks). To ask for more would have a low probability of success, but with the incompetent Redskins ownership, it just might work. If you reject this deal and move on to a team like the Patriots though who work more on true market value, you're going to get a deal less than this one.

[Soul]

I just saw some of Angelo's comments on Comcast. He's saying some of the same things people here thought he might be saying. It's not just picking up the 6th pick, it's whether there's a player who will justify the pick -- and he mentioned the large monetary investment of the 6th overall pick, too.

 

He did say he will get back to the Redskins in a timely manner. I think he's going to analyze a few players: Landry, Branch, Adams, Okoye probably top the list. If one of those is worth the investment in a #6 pick, he'll consider biting.

 

I don't think he can do this deal counting on trading down for more picks. He's got to consider whether it's worth it as-is.

[brinoch]

Now hold on a second, how does franchising him three times and Briggs not playing for us during this time help the Bears?

It doesn't at all. Briggs totally went about this the wrong way, so we should return in kind.

 

Who cares? I want to what is best for the Bears and having a vendetta with Briggs doesn't seem like that would be the best way.

 

The point was, the Skins did this and wound up rewarded with 2 1st rounders. If we wait, it *could* result in a better deal than swapping 1st round picks, which is what some have suggested isn't good enough.

 

True-in fairness though, that is the only time in the history of the league that it is ever happened, and it set back the franchise that did it a couple years (in fact its labeled as the worst move in the short Panthers history)-I doubt anyone is going to be trying that anytime soon, although if anybody would be silly enough to try something like that, Washington would. I was hearing though when it Peyton was franchised for a couple weeks 3-4 years back that it was unlikely that anybody would even sign him and give up 2 first rounders.

 

I do think that if people want the extra pick rather than the top pick, that the Bears probably could get a pick in the 20's or maybe a little later for Briggs. That's not worth quite as much as moving up to 6, but it does pick up an extra pick that may fill a need.

Hopefully Angelo can exchange the 1st picks and steal their 2nd rounder. Probably a lot to ask for but hey if they get that you can't complain.

 

Briggs, a 1st round pick swap and the Redskins' 2nd? Sign me up.

[Mark_R]

Now hold on a second, how does franchising him three times and Briggs not playing for us during this time help the Bears?

It doesn't at all. Briggs totally went about this the wrong way, so we should return in kind.

 

Who cares? I want to what is best for the Bears and having a vendetta with Briggs doesn't seem like that would be the best way.

 

The point was, the Skins did this and wound up rewarded with 2 1st rounders. If we wait, it *could* result in a better deal than swapping 1st round picks, which is what some have suggested isn't good enough.

 

True-in fairness though, that is the only time in the history of the league that it is ever happened, and it set back the franchise that did it a couple years (in fact its labeled as the worst move in the short Panthers history)-I doubt anyone is going to be trying that anytime soon, although if anybody would be silly enough to try something like that, Washington would. I was hearing though when it Peyton was franchised for a couple weeks 3-4 years back that it was unlikely that anybody would even sign him and give up 2 first rounders.

 

I do think that if people want the extra pick rather than the top pick, that the Bears probably could get a pick in the 20's or maybe a little later for Briggs. That's not worth quite as much as moving up to 6, but it does pick up an extra pick that may fill a need.

Hopefully Angelo can exchange the 1st picks and steal their 2nd rounder. Probably a lot to ask for but hey if they get that you can't complain.

 

Briggs, a 1st round pick swap and the Redskins' 2nd? Sign me up.

 

The Redskins might be allergic to the draft. They have the sixth pick (that they might be dealing) and don't pick again til pick 143!

 

That sounds like a winning formula.

[ResidentRoyalsFan]

The skins board is going bananas because the news out of DC Radio (The John Thompson Show) is that Briggs and the Redskins have agreed to contract and are waiting for the Bears to sign off on the trade.

 

FROM 980: Briggs, Rosenhaus and Skin's agree to contract - 20 mil guaranteed. Just waiting for the Bears to approve...From WTEM

 

There's Rosenhaus stirring things up again. The Bears approval is no small thing.

 

EDIT: Did the Bears give Briggs/Rosenhaus permission to seek a trade or talk contract with another team? How is this not tampering?

Briggs isn't under contract.

[ResidentRoyalsFan]

Now hold on a second, how does franchising him three times and Briggs not playing for us during this time help the Bears?

It doesn't at all. Briggs totally went about this the wrong way, so we should return in kind.

 

Who cares? I want to what is best for the Bears and having a vendetta with Briggs doesn't seem like that would be the best way.

 

The point was, the Skins did this and wound up rewarded with 2 1st rounders. If we wait, it *could* result in a better deal than swapping 1st round picks, which is what some have suggested isn't good enough.

 

True-in fairness though, that is the only time in the history of the league that it is ever happened, and it set back the franchise that did it a couple years (in fact its labeled as the worst move in the short Panthers history)-I doubt anyone is going to be trying that anytime soon, although if anybody would be silly enough to try something like that, Washington would. I was hearing though when it Peyton was franchised for a couple weeks 3-4 years back that it was unlikely that anybody would even sign him and give up 2 first rounders.

 

I do think that if people want the extra pick rather than the top pick, that the Bears probably could get a pick in the 20's or maybe a little later for Briggs. That's not worth quite as much as moving up to 6, but it does pick up an extra pick that may fill a need.

Hopefully Angelo can exchange the 1st picks and steal their 2nd rounder. Probably a lot to ask for but hey if they get that you can't complain.

 

Briggs, a 1st round pick swap and the Redskins' 2nd? Sign me up.

Ironically, the Bears already have the Skins' 2nd. It was the pick they got from the Jets in the Thomas Jones trade. The Jets got it on draft day last year when Washington traded up to get Rocky McIntosh.

[da bears]

Probably been said before, but seeing Don Pierson's article in the trib saying the Bears should just get rid of Briggs got me thinking about this.

 

If I was the Bears, I dont trade him for what the Redskins want, but for the Skins first round pick and a top three round pick next year. If the Redskins don't take it, I tell Briggs you either play the whole season, or you dont play at all. You don't get to come back after ten games because you want to. Its either one way or the other.

 

I for one hope Angelo doesn't give in to Briggs. I hope Angelo does what is best for the Bears, and not Lance Briggs.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Probably been said before, but seeing Don Pierson's article in the trib saying the Bears should just get rid of Briggs got me thinking about this.

 

If I was the Bears, I dont trade him for what the Redskins want, but for the Skins first round pick and a top three round pick next year. If the Redskins don't take it, I tell Briggs you either play the whole season, or you dont play at all. You don't get to come back after ten games because you want to. Its either one way or the other.

 

I for one hope Angelo doesn't give in to Briggs. I hope Angelo does what is best for the Bears, and not Lance Briggs.

 

i THINK THE #6 PICK IN THE DRAFT STRAIGHT UP FPR BRIGGS WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE BEARS :)

[CubColtPacer]

Probably been said before, but seeing Don Pierson's article in the trib saying the Bears should just get rid of Briggs got me thinking about this.

 

If I was the Bears, I dont trade him for what the Redskins want, but for the Skins first round pick and a top three round pick next year. If the Redskins don't take it, I tell Briggs you either play the whole season, or you dont play at all. You don't get to come back after ten games because you want to. Its either one way or the other.

 

I for one hope Angelo doesn't give in to Briggs. I hope Angelo does what is best for the Bears, and not Lance Briggs.

 

If you said that to Briggs and he decided to come back week 5-6 and you don't play him, then the Bears will be paying him 5 million dollars or so without playing a down for the Bears this year (and I believe he also gets credit for the 6 games since he came back ready to play in time). If you do decide to play him, he could always refuse to play again once he hits his 6 games.

[ctcf]

We're making a counter offer to this deal!? HAHAHA

 

Rotoworld:

Chicago is expected to make a counteroffer to the Redskins' proposal for Lance Briggs.

At this point, it's like Dan Snyder is that fantasy owner in your league that everyone goes to first with trade offers. Washington is already paying too big a price if they give up the sixth pick in the draft and a huge contract for Briggs.

[Jon]

We're making a counter offer to this deal!? HAHAHA

 

Rotoworld:

Chicago is expected to make a counteroffer to the Redskins' proposal for Lance Briggs.

At this point, it's like Dan Snyder is that fantasy owner in your league that everyone goes to first with trade offers. Washington is already paying too big a price if they give up the sixth pick in the draft and a huge contract for Briggs.

I like it. Might as well.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

We're making a counter offer to this deal!? HAHAHA

 

Rotoworld:

Chicago is expected to make a counteroffer to the Redskins' proposal for Lance Briggs.

At this point, it's like Dan Snyder is that fantasy owner in your league that everyone goes to first with trade offers. Washington is already paying too big a price if they give up the sixth pick in the draft and a huge contract for Briggs.

 

Good, get a third rounder if the Bears have to give up their first rounder.

[CubColtPacer]

We're making a counter offer to this deal!? HAHAHA

 

Rotoworld:

Chicago is expected to make a counteroffer to the Redskins' proposal for Lance Briggs.

At this point, it's like Dan Snyder is that fantasy owner in your league that everyone goes to first with trade offers. Washington is already paying too big a price if they give up the sixth pick in the draft and a huge contract for Briggs.

 

Good, get a third rounder if the Bears have to give up their first rounder.

 

Washington doesn't have one-they've already traded away their second, their third, and their 4th.

[ctcf]

We're making a counter offer to this deal!? HAHAHA

 

Rotoworld:

Chicago is expected to make a counteroffer to the Redskins' proposal for Lance Briggs.

At this point, it's like Dan Snyder is that fantasy owner in your league that everyone goes to first with trade offers. Washington is already paying too big a price if they give up the sixth pick in the draft and a huge contract for Briggs.

 

Good, get a third rounder if the Bears have to give up their first rounder.

 

Washington doesn't have one-they've already traded away their second, their third, and their 4th.

 

HAHAHAHAHA

[Jon]

We're making a counter offer to this deal!? HAHAHA

 

Rotoworld:

Chicago is expected to make a counteroffer to the Redskins' proposal for Lance Briggs.

At this point, it's like Dan Snyder is that fantasy owner in your league that everyone goes to first with trade offers. Washington is already paying too big a price if they give up the sixth pick in the draft and a huge contract for Briggs.

 

Good, get a third rounder if the Bears have to give up their first rounder.

 

Washington doesn't have one-they've already traded away their second, their third, and their 4th.

We can get one for next year, though.

 

When did Sabean take over the Redskins?