Are there any more transactions coming?

[RammyFanny]

I'm hearing that Hendry is trying to swing a deal -

 

Jaques Jones, Gallagher & a ptbnl to Seattle for Ichiro Suzuki....

 

Unconfirmed on the players, but from what I am told, they are in talks for Suzuki....

You know you can't say this stuff without naming where you heard it and if it's legit. Just curious though, you named specific players in the trade, and then say unconfirmed on the players, so does that mean it's just your speculation on the players?

[CP_414]

I'm hearing that Hendry is trying to swing a deal -

 

Jaques Jones, Gallagher & a ptbnl to Seattle for Ichiro Suzuki....

 

Unconfirmed on the players, but from what I am told, they are in talks for Suzuki....

 

I sure hope you are right. Ichiro in the top 2 of this lineup makes us a very very dangerous team.

 

Through 6 seasons he has a .331/.376/.438 line. Last year he was 45 of 47 on steal attempts. He is a legit gold glove player every year with a cannon arm, and he plays almost every game.

 

Soriano

Ichiro

Lee

Aramis

Murton/Floyd

Barrett

DeRosa

Izturis

 

Zambrano, Lilly, Hill, Prior/Miller, Marquis

 

Wood, Dempster, Howry, Eyre, Ohman, Wuertz, Cotts

 

Floyd/Murton, Ward, Blanco, Theriot, Cedeno

 

That team would have the ability to win it all.

[moorecg]

I'm hearing that Hendry is trying to swing a deal -

 

Jaques Jones, Gallagher & a ptbnl to Seattle for Ichiro Suzuki....

 

Unconfirmed on the players, but from what I am told, they are in talks for Suzuki....

 

I sure hope you are right. Ichiro in the top 2 of this lineup makes us a very very dangerous team.

 

Through 6 seasons he has a .331/.376/.438 line. Last year he was 45 of 47 on steal attempts. He is a legit gold glove player every year with a cannon arm, and he plays almost every game.

 

Soriano

Ichiro

Lee

Aramis

Murton/Floyd

Barrett

DeRosa

Izturis

 

Zambrano, Lilly, Hill, Prior/Miller, Marquis

 

 

Wood, Dempster, Howry, Eyre, Ohman, Wuertz, Cotts

 

Floyd/Murton, Ward, Blanco, Theriot, Cedeno

 

That team would have the ability to win it all.

 

If we could sign him to an extension I would give them Jones and let them have the pick of anyone in our system. 4 years ago Corey Patterson was just as "untouchable" as Pie is now...to get a guy like Ichiro to put at the top of the lineup I'd trade what Pie could be for what Ichiro IS.

[goonys evil twin]

to get a guy like Ichiro to put at the top of the lineup I'd trade what Pie could be for what Ichiro IS.

 

Can I get the guy that Ichiro was? And then guarantee he won't regress as he plays into his mid-30's?

[CubColtPacer]

I'm hearing that Hendry is trying to swing a deal -

 

Jaques Jones, Gallagher & a ptbnl to Seattle for Ichiro Suzuki....

 

Unconfirmed on the players, but from what I am told, they are in talks for Suzuki....

 

I sure hope you are right. Ichiro in the top 2 of this lineup makes us a very very dangerous team.

 

Through 6 seasons he has a .331/.376/.438 line. Last year he was 45 of 47 on steal attempts. He is a legit gold glove player every year with a cannon arm, and he plays almost every game.

 

Soriano

Ichiro

Lee

Aramis

Murton/Floyd

Barrett

DeRosa

Izturis

 

Zambrano, Lilly, Hill, Prior/Miller, Marquis

 

 

Wood, Dempster, Howry, Eyre, Ohman, Wuertz, Cotts

 

Floyd/Murton, Ward, Blanco, Theriot, Cedeno

 

That team would have the ability to win it all.

 

If we could sign him to an extension I would give them Jones and let them have the pick of anyone in our system. 4 years ago Corey Patterson was just as "untouchable" as Pie is now...to get a guy like Ichiro to put at the top of the lineup I'd trade what Pie could be for what Ichiro IS.

 

I might be ok with giving up Pie (and I'd have to think about that more) if they didn't give up Gallagher-definitely not both.

[Banedon]

This is clearly not true, as there is nothing on http://www.mlbtraderumors.com about it. :wink:

[moorecg]

to get a guy like Ichiro to put at the top of the lineup I'd trade what Pie could be for what Ichiro IS.

 

Can I get the guy that Ichiro was? And then guarantee he won't regress as he plays into his mid-30's?

 

His #s from last year don't show any regression from the prior year and he had the 2nd most steals he'd had since coming to MLB. I think the .372/.414 in 04 is really more than what can be expected by anyone on a regular basis, but his .320/.370 line seem to be right in line with what he's always done...If you could lock him up for 4 years...till aget 37 I think it'd be a safe deal.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

While I doubt there really is any validity to the Ichiro rumor (and I hope there is), it would make sense from the Cubs perspective. Hendry doesn't want to block Pie and Ichiro would only be here for one year. It also allows Soriano in rightfield which seems to be what Hendry is most comfortable with.

 

While I like Gallagher, with Marshall, Guzman, and Mateo in the high minors and Veal on the rise and the money being paid to Samardja, I could see Gallagher being expendable.

[Banedon]

Is there a reason that Seattle would want to get rid of Ichiro? Who do they have to play center if he were traded?

[Banedon]

While I doubt there really is any validity to the Ichiro rumor (and I hope there is), it would make sense from the Cubs perspective.

 

I don't doubt that there is interest on the Cubs side...I question the interest on the Mariners side...

[CP_414]

Is there a reason that Seattle would want to get rid of Ichiro? Who do they have to play center if he were traded?

 

Doesn't he play right for them? Jones would fill that spot. I don't think this is real though.

[RichHillIsABeast]

I'd rather have Jacque instead of Suzuki, not to mention Gallagher and the PTBNL.

[goonys evil twin]

I'd rather have Jacque instead of Suzuki,

 

I'd have to ask why. The Cubs need OBP and Ichiro provides a lot more of it than Jacque.

[goonys evil twin]

Is there a reason that Seattle would want to get rid of Ichiro? Who do they have to play center if he were traded?

 

He's in a walk year and they probably don't want to resign him next offseason when he's 34.

 

His #s from last year don't show any regression from the prior year and he had the 2nd most steals he'd had since coming to MLB.

 

But his numbers from his age 31 and 32 season were down from his peak seasons, as expected. And they will probably continue to decline.

[CubColtPacer]

Is there a reason that Seattle would want to get rid of Ichiro? Who do they have to play center if he were traded?

 

They are not going anywhere-what I heard originally was that they weren't planning to re-sign him after the year, and so they might as well trade him now. They get a prospect or two out of this deal that could help them later on-I don't see this as awesome from their side, but it's not so terrible to think its completely unreasonable.

[Banedon]

Is there a reason that Seattle would want to get rid of Ichiro? Who do they have to play center if he were traded?

 

Doesn't he play right for them? Jones would fill that spot. I don't think this is real though.

 

ESPN shows him projected to play center, but I thought right initially as well.

[Amazing_Grace]

While I doubt there really is any validity to the Ichiro rumor (and I hope there is), it would make sense from the Cubs perspective.

 

I don't doubt that there is interest on the Cubs side...I question the interest on the Mariners side...

 

They'd save about 5 million this season (Jones makes 6 vs. Ichiro's 11), and given the market this offseason a .750-.800 OPS type player would be worth considerably more than 6M. They may also feel they can't afford to extend Ichiro after this season given the market, and would like to get 2 years of Jacque Jones for about the same price as one of Ichiro, and get a prospect, rather than let Ichiro walk and get nothing but a draft choice. The only reasons that make any sense to me are financial. I can't think of a baseball reason that the Mariners would do this. It's basically the same as all the Andruw Jones speculation out of Atlanta. If they move him, it will be because he can't be resigned, not because it makes the team better right now.

[moorecg]

 

His #s from last year don't show any regression from the prior year and he had the 2nd most steals he'd had since coming to MLB.

 

But his numbers from his age 31 and 32 season were down from his peak seasons, as expected. And they will probably continue to decline.

 

Yeah..but not to many people in the history of baseball have had a .372/.414 season and then not "regressed" the next year...his numbers last year were up quite a bit from the year before...I'm not saying he won't lose a step sometime...but him losing 2 steps is better than the vast majority of MLB talent at his postion.

[RichHillIsABeast]

I'd rather have Jacque instead of Suzuki.

 

I'd have to ask why. The Cubs need OBP and Ichiro provides a lot more of it than Jacque.

 

That difference isn't worth 7MM in 2007, much less trading away a decent pitching prospect in Gallagher and a ptbnl.

 

Jones/Ichiro is a tradeoff, not an across the board upgrade.

 

Jones '07: .285/.334/.499/.833

Suzuki '07: .322/.370/.416/.786

 

36 points in OBP is worth 7MM? I think not. We could get more than that at SS (not to mention more power) w/o spending that kind of loot.

 

CF/RF is a silly place to throw away 7MM on this Cubs team.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Seattle has been talking extension with Ichiro, but I wonder if it might have stalled. With Soriano getting as much as he got, Ichiro might think he's worth 15 million a season and Seattle may be balking at paying that much.

 

I do like the upside of Ichiro's OBP since it is an area lacking on this team. Ichiro would also improve our OF defense whether he's in CF or RF.

[CP_414]

I'd rather have Jacque instead of Suzuki.

 

I'd have to ask why. The Cubs need OBP and Ichiro provides a lot more of it than Jacque.

 

That difference isn't worth 7MM in 2007, much less trading away a decent pitching prospect in Gallagher and a ptbnl.

 

Jones/Ichiro is a tradeoff, not an across the board upgrade.

 

Jones '07: .285/.334/.499/.833

Suzuki '07: .322/.370/.416/.786

 

36 points in OBP is worth 7MM? I think not. We could get more than that at SS (not to mention more power) w/o spending that kind of loot.

 

CF/RF is a silly place to throw away 7MM on this Cubs team.

 

Are we not counting the 43 steals in 45 attempts, and the excellent defense and cannon arm against whatever the hell Jones was doing in RF last season. Those things might be overvalued, but they shouldn't be ignored either.

[RichHillIsABeast]

I'd rather have Jacque instead of Suzuki.

 

I'd have to ask why. The Cubs need OBP and Ichiro provides a lot more of it than Jacque.

 

That difference isn't worth 7MM in 2007, much less trading away a decent pitching prospect in Gallagher and a ptbnl.

 

Jones/Ichiro is a tradeoff, not an across the board upgrade.

 

Jones '07: .285/.334/.499/.833

Suzuki '07: .322/.370/.416/.786

 

36 points in OBP is worth 7MM? I think not. We could get more than that at SS (not to mention more power) w/o spending that kind of loot.

 

CF/RF is a silly place to throw away 7MM on this Cubs team.

 

Are we not counting the 43 steals in 45 attempts, and the excellent defense and cannon arm against whatever the hell Jones was doing in RF last season. Those things might be overvalued, but they shouldn't be ignored either.

 

It's still not 7MM in difference.

 

I hate to defend Jones's throwing, but he did have an injured shoulder that he just played through.

 

I'm not a Jacque Jones fan. I'm sure I'll be yelling at him several times this coming season (if he remains a Cub), but he's not a scrub and he's a real decent OFer with his current contract.

[Amazing_Grace]

Is there a reason that Seattle would want to get rid of Ichiro? Who do they have to play center if he were traded?

 

He's in a walk year and they probably don't want to resign him next offseason when he's 34.

 

His #s from last year don't show any regression from the prior year and he had the 2nd most steals he'd had since coming to MLB.

 

But his numbers from his age 31 and 32 season were down from his peak seasons, as expected. And they will probably continue to decline.

 

I think the only thing the Cubs have to worry about, if this is true, is how much his numbers will decline this season and how much we have to give up, as the Cubs will almost certainly not resign him with Pie being ready by next year. If the Cubs sign Z long-term, then 4 of their 5 pitching rotation spots will be decided through at least 2009 and 3 of 5 through 2010. That doesn't leave a ton of room to break in prospects. If Prior ever gets healthy, he won't reach FA status until 2009, and we have a lot of pitching prospects with basically 1 opening save injuries (unless Marquis sucks so bad they release him, which isn't impossible I suppose but do the Cubs ever eat contracts).

 

I think 1 A-/B+ pitching prospect plus a disgruntled player plus a C pitching prospect is not bad for a one year rental given the Cubs current roster and likely pitching openings in the future.

[SouthSideRyan]

I'd rather have Jacque instead of Suzuki.

 

I'd have to ask why. The Cubs need OBP and Ichiro provides a lot more of it than Jacque.

 

That difference isn't worth 7MM in 2007, much less trading away a decent pitching prospect in Gallagher and a ptbnl.

 

Jones/Ichiro is a tradeoff, not an across the board upgrade.

 

Jones '07: .285/.334/.499/.833

Suzuki '07: .322/.370/.416/.786

 

36 points in OBP is worth 7MM? I think not. We could get more than that at SS (not to mention more power) w/o spending that kind of loot.

 

CF/RF is a silly place to throw away 7MM on this Cubs team.

 

I'm always quick to complain when somebody throws out the "who cares, it's not my money!!" excuse. But seriously, who cares, it's not my money. The odds of upgrading elsewhere before the season are slim to none, and it's not like that money is tied up in future years, it's just '07.

 

That said, the rumor probably isn't true.

[wrigley23]

anyone that says they would rather have jockstrap over Ichiro is an idiot.