2007 NFL draft

[YearofDaCubs]

I think the Bears need to draft a safety because without Mike Brown on this team our Safeties are terrible.

[dew1679666265]

Drew Stanton is gonna be a steal for somebody. He's gonna be a good QB.

 

I tend to agree, but I'm not completely sold on him. May just not know enough about him. He is a good QB though.

 

 

I think if the circumstances are right he will be a steal. He needs to go somewhere that he can sit behind a solid veteran for a couple of years, then be ready to take over a competitive team. The other option would be to go to a good coaching situation. I dont follow the NFL regularly so I have no idea where this would be.

 

I know this may not be the most popular thought on this board but I bet either Henne or Brohm is the #1 QB taken next year. I am not saying who will have the best NFL career I am just saying that one of these guys will be the top QB taken. If either one was in Brady Quinns position they would be Top 5 picks this year.

 

I could see the Bucs taking him in the second or third round to replace Chris Simms (I know they say they're high on Simms, but I don't completely believe them) or Miami behind Harrington or Culpepper.

Either of those situations would fit your scenario.

[goonys evil twin]

Drew Stanton is gonna be a steal for somebody. He's gonna be a good QB.

 

I tend to agree, but I'm not completely sold on him. May just not know enough about him. He is a good QB though.

 

 

I think if the circumstances are right he will be a steal. He needs to go somewhere that he can sit behind a solid veteran for a couple of years, then be ready to take over a competitive team. The other option would be to go to a good coaching situation. I dont follow the NFL regularly so I have no idea where this would be.

 

I know this may not be the most popular thought on this board but I bet either Henne or Brohm is the #1 QB taken next year. I am not saying who will have the best NFL career I am just saying that one of these guys will be the top QB taken. If either one was in Brady Quinns position they would be Top 5 picks this year.

 

I could see the Bucs taking him in the second or third round to replace Chris Simms (I know they say they're high on Simms, but I don't completely believe them) or Miami behind Harrington or Culpepper.

Either of those situations would fit your scenario.

 

Not sure about the Miami situation.

[dew1679666265]

Drew Stanton is gonna be a steal for somebody. He's gonna be a good QB.

 

I tend to agree, but I'm not completely sold on him. May just not know enough about him. He is a good QB though.

 

 

I think if the circumstances are right he will be a steal. He needs to go somewhere that he can sit behind a solid veteran for a couple of years, then be ready to take over a competitive team. The other option would be to go to a good coaching situation. I dont follow the NFL regularly so I have no idea where this would be.

 

I know this may not be the most popular thought on this board but I bet either Henne or Brohm is the #1 QB taken next year. I am not saying who will have the best NFL career I am just saying that one of these guys will be the top QB taken. If either one was in Brady Quinns position they would be Top 5 picks this year.

 

I could see the Bucs taking him in the second or third round to replace Chris Simms (I know they say they're high on Simms, but I don't completely believe them) or Miami behind Harrington or Culpepper.

Either of those situations would fit your scenario.

 

Not sure about the Miami situation.

 

Culpepper/Harrington, whichever is the starter next year, is a solid veteran. Both struggle on the field, but (Culpepper in particular) both have had some level of success in the NFL.

[goonys evil twin]

Culpepper/Harrington, whichever is the starter next year, is a solid veteran. Both struggle on the field, but (Culpepper in particular) both have had some level of success in the NFL.

 

That's funny.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I think the Bears need to draft a safety because without Mike Brown on this team our Safeties are terrible.

 

I expect Danieal Manning to make major progress next season. While I wouldn't be opposed to taking a safety, I'd consider looking at the free agent market there first rather than bringing in another rookie.

[BleedCubbieBlue81]

Culpepper/Harrington, whichever is the starter next year, is a solid veteran. Both struggle on the field, but (Culpepper in particular) both have had some level of success in the NFL.

 

That's funny.

Culpepper's been to three pro bowls, has led the league in passing, etc. He's had some success.

 

Harrington... not so much.

[CP_414]

I think the Bears need to draft a safety because without Mike Brown on this team our Safeties are terrible.

 

I expect Danieal Manning to make major progress next season. While I wouldn't be opposed to taking a safety, I'd consider looking at the free agent market there first rather than bringing in another rookie.

 

If Mike Brown isn't coming back we will need to add a safety. I know Samuel from New England is a free agent. Could Manning Jr make a good safety? If one of our corners could make the switch we could try to bring in a #1 CB like Nate Clements. Or we could always try to pick up a safety in a trade for Thomas Jones or Wale.

 

However priority number 1 is locking up Briggs and T. Harris and trying to reach a reasonable deal with Vasher. I would also like to see them draft at least one of the top offensive linemen in this draft.

[dew1679666265]

Culpepper/Harrington, whichever is the starter next year, is a solid veteran. Both struggle on the field, but (Culpepper in particular) both have had some level of success in the NFL.

 

That's funny.

 

Not sure what your problem is with Culpepper. Three pro bowls and solid success in Minnesota.

With Harrington, I can understand questioning him, but I tend to think that a lot of his problems have been having no one around him. Things changed somewhat when he went to Miami, but outside of Chambers and McMichael he doesn't have great weapons.

Again, I'm not crazy about Harrington but I'm not sure you can just write him off from being an adequate mentor.

[goonys evil twin]

Culpepper/Harrington, whichever is the starter next year, is a solid veteran. Both struggle on the field, but (Culpepper in particular) both have had some level of success in the NFL.

 

That's funny.

 

Not sure what your problem is with Culpepper. Three pro bowls and solid success in Minnesota.

With Harrington, I can understand questioning him, but I tend to think that a lot of his problems have been having no one around him. Things changed somewhat when he went to Miami, but outside of Chambers and McMichael he doesn't have great weapons.

Again, I'm not crazy about Harrington but I'm not sure you can just write him off from being an adequate mentor.

 

If Culpepper/Harrington qualifty as adequate mentors, everybody in the NFL qualifies as adequate mentors. Miami would be wise to get rid of both and start from scratch if they want to groom somebody.

[dew1679666265]

Culpepper/Harrington, whichever is the starter next year, is a solid veteran. Both struggle on the field, but (Culpepper in particular) both have had some level of success in the NFL.

 

That's funny.

Culpepper's been to three pro bowls, has led the league in passing, etc. He's had some success.

 

Harrington... not so much.

 

And I would be less comfortable with Harrington grooming Stanton to be a starter. But at the same time, there have been crappy players in all sports that have been great teachers/coaches/mentors.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I think the Bears need to draft a safety because without Mike Brown on this team our Safeties are terrible.

 

I expect Danieal Manning to make major progress next season. While I wouldn't be opposed to taking a safety, I'd consider looking at the free agent market there first rather than bringing in another rookie.

 

If Mike Brown isn't coming back we will need to add a safety. I know Samuel from New England is a free agent. Could Manning Jr make a good safety? If one of our corners could make the switch we could try to bring in a #1 CB like Nate Clements. Or we could always try to pick up a safety in a trade for Thomas Jones or Wale.

 

However priority number 1 is locking up Briggs and T. Harris and trying to reach a reasonable deal with Vasher. I would also like to see them draft at least one of the top offensive linemen in this draft.

 

I think Mike Brown will be back on a paycut.

[dew1679666265]

Culpepper/Harrington, whichever is the starter next year, is a solid veteran. Both struggle on the field, but (Culpepper in particular) both have had some level of success in the NFL.

 

That's funny.

 

Not sure what your problem is with Culpepper. Three pro bowls and solid success in Minnesota.

With Harrington, I can understand questioning him, but I tend to think that a lot of his problems have been having no one around him. Things changed somewhat when he went to Miami, but outside of Chambers and McMichael he doesn't have great weapons.

Again, I'm not crazy about Harrington but I'm not sure you can just write him off from being an adequate mentor.

 

If Culpepper/Harrington qualifty as adequate mentors, everybody in the NFL qualifies as adequate mentors. Miami would be wise to get rid of both and start from scratch if they want to groom somebody.

 

Again, what do you not like about Culpepper? His completion percentage has never dropped below 60%, he's thrown for over 3000 yards four times in his career and in three of his five full seasons he's had at least a 2:1 TD:INT ratio.

I think people's opinion of Culpepper has dropped because of his last couple injury-plagued years.

And like I've been saying, I won't strongly argue Harrington. I think he could still become productive, to an extent, but I'm not convinced of it.

[BleedCubbieBlue81]

Again, what do you not like about Culpepper? His completion percentage has never dropped below 60%, he's thrown for over 3000 yards four times in his career and in three of his five full seasons he's had at least a 2:1 TD:INT ratio.

I think people's opinion of Culpepper has dropped because of his last couple injury-plagued years.

And like I've been saying, I won't strongly argue Harrington. I think he could still become productive, to an extent, but I'm not convinced of it.

 

Among all qualified quarterbacks in NFL history (at least 1,500 passing attempts), Culpepper ranks sixth in passer rating.

[CuseCubFan69]

Again, what do you not like about Culpepper? His completion percentage has never dropped below 60%, he's thrown for over 3000 yards four times in his career and in three of his five full seasons he's had at least a 2:1 TD:INT ratio.

I think people's opinion of Culpepper has dropped because of his last couple injury-plagued years.

And like I've been saying, I won't strongly argue Harrington. I think he could still become productive, to an extent, but I'm not convinced of it.

 

Among all qualified quarterbacks in NFL history (at least 1,500 passing attempts), Culpepper ranks sixth in passer rating.

 

Take away Moss and you have a quite ordinary QB that makes very poor decisions.

[dew1679666265]

Again, what do you not like about Culpepper? His completion percentage has never dropped below 60%, he's thrown for over 3000 yards four times in his career and in three of his five full seasons he's had at least a 2:1 TD:INT ratio.

I think people's opinion of Culpepper has dropped because of his last couple injury-plagued years.

And like I've been saying, I won't strongly argue Harrington. I think he could still become productive, to an extent, but I'm not convinced of it.

 

Among all qualified quarterbacks in NFL history (at least 1,500 passing attempts), Culpepper ranks sixth in passer rating.

 

Wow, didn't realize that. I do have one thing against him: last year (his final with the Vikings) I drafted him in the first round and expected great numbers. Then he was terrible early and then got hurt, basically ruining my season.

[BleedCubbieBlue81]

Take away Moss and you have a quite ordinary QB that makes very poor decisions.

You can say that about quite a few quarterbacks though. Take away Rice, and Montana and Young's numbers changed dramatically. Bad decisions aren't that uncommon among quarterbacks. Favre has how many interceptions in his career? But he's still considered one of the best.

[dew1679666265]

Again, what do you not like about Culpepper? His completion percentage has never dropped below 60%, he's thrown for over 3000 yards four times in his career and in three of his five full seasons he's had at least a 2:1 TD:INT ratio.

I think people's opinion of Culpepper has dropped because of his last couple injury-plagued years.

And like I've been saying, I won't strongly argue Harrington. I think he could still become productive, to an extent, but I'm not convinced of it.

 

Among all qualified quarterbacks in NFL history (at least 1,500 passing attempts), Culpepper ranks sixth in passer rating.

 

Take away Moss and you have a quite ordinary QB that makes very poor decisions.

 

That's the problem when trying to isolate a player from his teammates. I could argue that Culpepper is actually a good QB because in his time without Moss to throw to, he's been hurt. He hasn't had a significant period of time where he has been healthy and without Moss.

I don't think he's as good as the numbers may indicate and that Moss and Cris Carter helped him out, but how good he actually is no one truly knows until he's had a full, healthy season without them.

[goonys evil twin]

Again, what do you not like about Culpepper? His completion percentage has never dropped below 60%, he's thrown for over 3000 yards four times in his career and in three of his five full seasons he's had at least a 2:1 TD:INT ratio.

I think people's opinion of Culpepper has dropped because of his last couple injury-plagued years.

And like I've been saying, I won't strongly argue Harrington. I think he could still become productive, to an extent, but I'm not convinced of it.

 

None of what you say would defend the notion that he'd be a good mentor. He's as turnover prone as any QB in football, he's been great at times, and just as bad at others. He's an inconsistent chucker who has been at the helm, or heavily involved in multiple sinking ship type seasons. He got by on tremendous physical tools, but he's not the same athlete he was back at his best, and given the nature of his injury, probably will never be again. If I ran a team, I would never in a million years* consider him to be the guy to groom the heir apparent. I'd put him in a group with Rex Grossman, Mike Vick and Eli Manning, as guys who are either going to enjoy great success starting with their current team, have frustrating up and down success starting with their current team, or force their team into a complete rebuilding mode with somebody else.

 

 

*In 5 years, maybe Daunte will have matured as a QB and could become a solid stand-in while the next guy is groomed, but right now, no way. Franchise QB's, or guys who think they are franchise QB's, don't mentor young studs on the rise.

[goonys evil twin]

Take away Moss and you have a quite ordinary QB that makes very poor decisions.

You can say that about quite a few quarterbacks though. Take away Rice, and Montana and Young's numbers changed dramatically. Bad decisions aren't that uncommon among quarterbacks. Favre has how many interceptions in his career? But he's still considered one of the best.

 

And Favre isn't anybody's mentor either.

[dew1679666265]

Again, what do you not like about Culpepper? His completion percentage has never dropped below 60%, he's thrown for over 3000 yards four times in his career and in three of his five full seasons he's had at least a 2:1 TD:INT ratio.

I think people's opinion of Culpepper has dropped because of his last couple injury-plagued years.

And like I've been saying, I won't strongly argue Harrington. I think he could still become productive, to an extent, but I'm not convinced of it.

 

None of what you say would defend the notion that he'd be a good mentor. He's as turnover prone as any QB in football, he's been great at times, and just as bad at others. He's an inconsistent chucker who has been at the helm, or heavily involved in multiple sinking ship type seasons. He got by on tremendous physical tools, but he's not the same athlete he was back at his best, and given the nature of his injury, probably will never be again. If I ran a team, I would never in a million years* consider him to be the guy to groom the heir apparent. I'd put him in a group with Rex Grossman, Mike Vick and Eli Manning, as guys who are either going to enjoy great success starting with their current team, have frustrating up and down success starting with their current team, or force their team into a complete rebuilding mode with somebody else.

 

 

*In 5 years, maybe Daunte will have matured as a QB and could become a solid stand-in while the next guy is groomed, but right now, no way. Franchise QB's, or guys who think they are franchise QB's, don't mentor young studs on the rise.

 

Many people said the same thing about Steve McNair throughout his career and yet I think he would have made a great mentor to Vince Young (he did work with Vince extensively while Young was at Texas). And you may be right, it may be five or more years before he really would make a good mentor. I just don't see it as a laughable thought that Culpepper could groom a young QB.

[dew1679666265]

Take away Moss and you have a quite ordinary QB that makes very poor decisions.

You can say that about quite a few quarterbacks though. Take away Rice, and Montana and Young's numbers changed dramatically. Bad decisions aren't that uncommon among quarterbacks. Favre has how many interceptions in his career? But he's still considered one of the best.

 

And Favre isn't anybody's mentor either.

 

Aaron Rodgers. Bret doesn't walk through everything for him, but I've heard Rodgers say he's learned a lot from Favre.

[BleedCubbieBlue81]

Take away Moss and you have a quite ordinary QB that makes very poor decisions.

You can say that about quite a few quarterbacks though. Take away Rice, and Montana and Young's numbers changed dramatically. Bad decisions aren't that uncommon among quarterbacks. Favre has how many interceptions in his career? But he's still considered one of the best.

 

And Favre isn't anybody's mentor either.

 

Aaron Rodgers. Bret doesn't walk through everything for him, but I've heard Rodgers say he's learned a lot from Favre.

Beat me to it. Rodgers is next in line in Green Bay. I'm sure he's learned from Favre like a lot of guys have learned from Maddux. All you have to do is watch a guy like that, and you will pick up stuff.

[CP_414]

Take away Moss and you have a quite ordinary QB that makes very poor decisions.

You can say that about quite a few quarterbacks though. Take away Rice, and Montana and Young's numbers changed dramatically. Bad decisions aren't that uncommon among quarterbacks. Favre has how many interceptions in his career? But he's still considered one of the best.

 

And Favre isn't anybody's mentor either.

 

Aaron Rodgers. Bret doesn't walk through everything for him, but I've heard Rodgers say he's learned a lot from Favre.

Beat me to it. Rodgers is next in line in Green Bay. I'm sure he's learned from Favre like a lot of guys have learned from Maddux. All you have to do is watch a guy like that, and you will pick up stuff.

 

I don't think thats true. Favre has embraced Rodgers more this season than last, so I'm sure he has helped, but you can't really learn from watching Favre because his form is worse than Grossman's. Favre has a freak natural talent and Rodgers will never be able to play the game the same style as Favre does. Favre is the ultimate gunslinging, throw off your back foot, throw across the field into double coverage guy, and I don't think you can learn anything good by watching him, unless you have the same ability to do all those things and have success.

[BleedCubbieBlue81]

I don't think thats true. Favre has embraced Rodgers more this season than last, so I'm sure he has helped, but you can't really learn from watching Favre because his form is worse than Grossman's. Favre has a freak natural talent and Rodgers will never be able to play the game the same style as Favre does. Favre is the ultimate gunslinging, throw off your back foot, throw across the field into double coverage guy, and I don't think you can learn anything good by watching him, unless you have the same ability to do all those things and have success.

There is more to being a quarterback than just how you throw. I'm sure Rodgers has learned a lot about film study, game preparation, defense recognition, etc. Most of the guys that learn from Maddux don't pitch like him. They learn other aspects of the game by watching.