Winter Meetings Thread (Merged)

[wade]

If we are going to sign Lily and one of Meche/ Marquis/ Schmidt (please), who are we trading Jacque for?

 

I don't know, but if the Cubs trade JJ they will need to get a slugger or a high OBP guy for SS or CF.

 

And they're supposedly looking for a lefty bat this week. Unless you get a realy good hitter a JJ trade / sign someone else looks like a lateral move to me.

 

I think we could be looking at Floyd, which would be fine if this were 1999.

 

Exactly. That's why I don't get it. I know Jones' value is pretty pretty good, but we'd be creating a hole.

[RynoRules]

If we are going to sign Lily and one of Meche/ Marquis/ Schmidt (please), who are we trading Jacque for?

 

We're trading him for whoever is necessary to get the free agent pitcher's agents to think the Cubs have some leverage in negotiations.

 

That's actually not a terrible idea, but then if we deal him for a pitcher, who is going to play in the OF w/ Murt and Soriano? Lofton?

 

Manny Ramirez?

 

\:D/

 

Supposedly they want at least Loney and LaRoche from LA. We can't touch that and shouldn't even try.

 

Agree with your former point, completely disagree with the later.

[soapy]

I'm not a fan of Lugo in CF by any means, but the more I think about it, the more I can see Lugo moving to SS if/when Izturis is injured or ineffective and Pie comes up to play CF:

 

Soriano RF

Lugo SS

Lee 1B

Ramirez 3B

Barrett C

Murton LF

DeRosa 2B

Pie CF

 

Is that good enough? Depends on the pitching, I guess.

[Danny82]

Lugo isn't a high OBP guy and definitely doesn't have a ton of power, but the OF power problem might not be fixable this season.

 

His OBP may not be "high", but it is pretty good. He certainly knows how to take a walk.

[RynoRules]

Not a lot of pop in that lineup, soapy...

[Derwood]

I was mistaken in mentioning Gallagher. Sorry about that.

 

And never seeing them pitch again was a bit of hyerbole.

 

My point is that your farm system is there for 2 reasons; to develop talent and to give you trading pieces. I don't understand the one or two of (seemingly) a dozen young arms to get a guy who is ready now (jennings)

 

Reason 3:

 

To rehab your injury prone ML players. :lol:

 

if it comes to that, yes.

 

My hope is that the Cubs are in it to win it this year, and as such, don't think any of the young arms should be part of that plan (unless they are just out of this world in Spring Training).

[soapy]

Not a lot of pop in that lineup, soapy...

No there isn't. It's also dependant on getting several breaks, IMO. Murton has to continue to improve (especially in SLG). Are Lugo's Dodger numbers a fluke (I think so)? Can Barrett maintain his 2006? Will Lee bounce back completely? Has DeRosa really found it (or was 2006 a fluke)? Is Pie ready?

 

I'd say you can pencil Soriano, Lee and Ramirez in for 30 HR each, but the rest are certainly question marks.

[RichHillIsABeast]

If we are going to sign Lily and one of Meche/ Marquis/ Schmidt (please), who are we trading Jacque for?

 

We're trading him for whoever is necessary to get the free agent pitcher's agents to think the Cubs have some leverage in negotiations.

 

That's actually not a terrible idea, but then if we deal him for a pitcher, who is going to play in the OF w/ Murt and Soriano? Lofton?

 

Manny Ramirez?

 

\:D/

 

Supposedly they want at least Loney and LaRoche from LA. We can't touch that and shouldn't even try.

 

Agree with your former point, completely disagree with the later.

 

I forgot to add Penny to the list.

 

Penny, LaRoche, and Loney.

 

How are we going to top that?

[HoopsCubs]

If we are going to sign Lily and one of Meche/ Marquis/ Schmidt (please), who are we trading Jacque for?

 

I don't know, but if the Cubs trade JJ they will need to get a slugger or a high OBP guy for SS or CF.

 

The angle I'm seeing is that they'll trade Jones for some pitching, then turnaround and sign Lofton and Trot Nixon (Mr. Miles' pick). Soriano will play RF, Lofton in CF and Nixon and Murton platoon in LF. I don't know what Trot's salary demands are, but he'd be a better pick-up right now than Cliff Floyd in my opinion. Cliff would have been fine in a Sosa deal 2 years ago.

Edited December 4, 2006 by HoopsCubs

[MikeLBear8]

anyone see this yet?

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2685697

 

Ted Lilly is rumored to be signing with the Cubs.

 

Reports that the Cubs are making serious runs at Jason Schmidt and Barry Zito appear to be vastly overblown. Zito is barely on their radar screen. And Schmidt's price tag ($15 million a year for three to five years) has them looking for less expensive options -- with a list topped by Ted Lilly and Gil Meche.

[CubinNY]

If we are going to sign Lily and one of Meche/ Marquis/ Schmidt (please), who are we trading Jacque for?

 

I don't know, but if the Cubs trade JJ they will need to get a slugger or a high OBP guy for SS or CF.

 

The angle I'm seeing is that they'll trade Jones for some pitching, then turnaround and sign Lofton and Trot Nixon (Mr. Miles' pick). Soriano will play RF, Lofton in CF and Nixon and Murton platoon in LF.

 

That would be a terrible, terrible offensive team.

[CuseCubFan69]

If we are going to sign Lily and one of Meche/ Marquis/ Schmidt (please), who are we trading Jacque for?

 

I don't know, but if the Cubs trade JJ they will need to get a slugger or a high OBP guy for SS or CF.

 

The angle I'm seeing is that they'll trade Jones for some pitching, then turnaround and sign Lofton and Trot Nixon (Mr. Miles' pick). Soriano will play RF, Lofton in CF and Nixon and Murton platoon in LF. I don't know what Trot's salary demands are, but he'd be a better pick-up right now than Cliff Floyd in my opinion. Cliff would have been fine in a Sosa deal 2 years ago.

 

I don't see why Soriano can't play CF or 2B? You can always get good hitters for RF....well decent anyway and more impact bats than in CF or 2B. I read that Soriano said he would play wherever the Cubs what him to play including 2nd.

[Southpaw191679666239]

anyone see this yet?

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2685697

 

Ted Lilly is rumored to be signing with the Cubs.

 

Reports that the Cubs are making serious runs at Jason Schmidt and Barry Zito appear to be vastly overblown. Zito is barely on their radar screen. And Schmidt's price tag ($15 million a year for three to five years) has them looking for less expensive options -- with a list topped by Ted Lilly and Gil Meche.

 

It was mentioned in this thread already 1-2 pages back.

[don_kessinger_was_good]

Roto now picking up via Jason Stark the Lilly signs with Cubs rumor, he's repeating the 4 yrs/9MM per numbers, which would be better than some of the other numbers bouncing around, but still too much.

 

Jason Schmidt, please.

[HoopsCubs]

If we are going to sign Lily and one of Meche/ Marquis/ Schmidt (please), who are we trading Jacque for?

 

I don't know, but if the Cubs trade JJ they will need to get a slugger or a high OBP guy for SS or CF.

 

The angle I'm seeing is that they'll trade Jones for some pitching, then turnaround and sign Lofton and Trot Nixon (Mr. Miles' pick). Soriano will play RF, Lofton in CF and Nixon and Murton platoon in LF.

 

That would be a terrible, terrible offensive team.

 

Soriano

Lofton

Lee

Ramirez

Nixon/Barrett

Barrett/Murton

De Rosa

Izturis

 

 

Great? Definitely not. But terrible? I'm not sure.

 

Anyway, I wish they would have focused on Drew...

[Guest]

BTW - I don't think it is the $15M that is scaring the Cubs away from Schmidt. I think it is the idea of a 4 yr contract to him that is causing them to consider other options.

[killthegoat06]

BTW - I don't think it is the $15M that is scaring the Cubs away from Schmidt. I think it is the idea of a 4 yr contract to him that is causing them to consider other options.

 

So why didn't 8 for Soriano get same reaction? If we do it for Soriano please do it for Schmidt.

[don_kessinger_was_good]

BTW - I don't think it is the $15M that is scaring the Cubs away from Schmidt. I think it is the idea of a 4 yr contract to him that is causing them to consider other options.

 

The Cubs have the money and the need, I can only fathom that Hendry looks at Schmidt and sees the potential of a Kerry Wood/Mark Prior disappointment blowing up in his face again and he just doesn't want to go there. Though vastly inferior pitchers, the guys he seems most interested in appear to at least be durable. But shouldn't they be good, too??

[RynoRules]

BTW - I don't think it is the $15M that is scaring the Cubs away from Schmidt. I think it is the idea of a 4 yr contract to him that is causing them to consider other options.

 

So why didn't 8 for Soriano get same reaction? If we do it for Soriano please do it for Schmidt.

 

He's a 33 yr old pitcher with a history of injuries, and we are a franchise with long history of injured picthers.

[BigbadB]

BTW - I don't think it is the $15M that is scaring the Cubs away from Schmidt. I think it is the idea of a 4 yr contract to him that is causing them to consider other options.

 

If they are considering selling the team anyway, what does another year on Schmidt's contract matter?

 

Lilly at 4 years is a bigger gamble than Schmidt at 4 years, IMO.

 

And teams can move a guy they wish to part with. The Yankees moved Javier Vazquez. They can probably even move Pavano this offseason.

 

Just do it. Sign Schmidt!

[killthegoat06]

Cards better not get Schmidt.

[Guest]

BTW - I don't think it is the $15M that is scaring the Cubs away from Schmidt. I think it is the idea of a 4 yr contract to him that is causing them to consider other options.

 

So why didn't 8 for Soriano get same reaction? If we do it for Soriano please do it for Schmidt.

Because Soriano:

 

- is younger

- is in incredible shape

- is a great athlete that should age well

- has no history of major injuries

- is showing no signs of wear and tear

- is not a pitcher

[Danny82]

BTW - I don't think it is the $15M that is scaring the Cubs away from Schmidt. I think it is the idea of a 4 yr contract to him that is causing them to consider other options.

 

So why didn't 8 for Soriano get same reaction? If we do it for Soriano please do it for Schmidt.

 

The risk in giving a long term contract to a position player is much less than giving one to a pitcher.

[Guest]

BTW - I don't think it is the $15M that is scaring the Cubs away from Schmidt. I think it is the idea of a 4 yr contract to him that is causing them to consider other options.

 

The Cubs have the money and the need, I can only fathom that Hendry looks at Schmidt and sees the potential of a Kerry Wood/Mark Prior disappointment blowing up in his face again and he just doesn't want to go there. Though vastly inferior pitchers, the guys he seems most interested in appear to at least be durable. But shouldn't they be good, too??

Hey, I didn't say I was happy about pursuing Lilly. I was just passing along my guess as to why they are backing off Schmidt.

[biittner77]

The angle I'm seeing is that they'll trade Jones for some pitching, then turnaround and sign Lofton and Trot Nixon (Mr. Miles' pick). Soriano will play RF, Lofton in CF and Nixon and Murton platoon in LF. I don't know what Trot's salary demands are, but he'd be a better pick-up right now than Cliff Floyd in my opinion. Cliff would have been fine in a Sosa deal 2 years ago.

 

Given all the public admiration for Murton from Hendry, I can't see the value in platooning him with Trot Nixon. Is Nixon really much better than pagan? Neither seem likely to be more productive than Murton.