Cubs sign Soriano

[jjgman21]

Good God. I tried to read this whole thread. But I stopped at page 5. I swear some people would complain about ANYTHING!!

 

Point #1: We should shop smart, I don't like this signing. - The Tribune is finally PAYING OUT THE WAZOO to WIN and WIN now and you are complaining!!?

 

Point #2: He's gonna suck at 38, he sucks now - He hit 40 HR, 40 steals, 119 runs in 2006. He's got very good states when teams have let him lead off. Lou already stated he plans him for lead-off. He does NOT suck, and furthermore you guys were commenting on a RUMORED amoung when infact it is more like 6/90 with 2 option years.

 

I just can't beleive how many people in the first dozen pages I read were COMPLAINING about this. It just #*#*@*! boggles my mind. How can you not be happy about this? We get a couple above average pitchers and we are now the STRONGEST team in the NL Central by a large margin.

 

See STL. I assume they will make the nec. moves as well. I see them putting Wainwright in the rotation along side Carpenter, Reyes, and probably Suppan (again) and some project. As well as maybe one more arm in the pen.

 

They'll likely go with Duncan or another OF'er in LF.

 

They will improve.

 

Carpenter, Wainwright, and Reyes has the makings of a good rotation.

 

Reyes was about as good as Marshall last year and nowhere near as good as Hill when all was said and done.

 

Wainwright, tough to tell. high touted, but history of mechanical and arm problems. moving into the rotation will be interesting to watch.

 

Carpenter? I'm still waiting for his surgically repaired arm to fall off after all these innings and curveballs.

[b_wiggy_66]

I think the next hat to drop is Hendry getting Westbrook for Jones and LHP.

 

I have a feeling Hendry will pull of a deal very similar to this one. Probably at the winter meetings

[questionmarkgrace]

sorry man I liked lugo too but this was the right move.

[CuseCubFan69]

There are many moves yet to be made. I'll let Mr. Hendry finish before I say yeah or neigh.

[A New Era]

so we went from terrible to average spending 150 million in the process when we probably could have done it for less than half that.

 

Were not at $150m. We're more close to about $100mil so far. Where do you get $150m? Man, some of you guys are making things up just to be negative. I don't get it?

[rocket]

so we went from terrible to average spending 150 million in the process when we probably could have done it for less than half that.

 

Were not at $150m. We're more close to about $100mil so far. Where do you get $150m? Man, some of you guys are making things up just to be negative. I don't get it?

 

soriano's 136 million + derosa's 13 million = 149 million.

 

i think that's what kctigers was saying

[shnsajax]

I think the next hat to drop is Hendry getting Westbrook for Jones and LHP.

 

Agreed, and I would make a small bet it will happen within the next 48 hours.

[jjgman21]

it is possible for the cubs to now have three 40 homerun guys in the same lineup.

 

anyone know if the cubs have ever had that happen?

 

I don't think so, but looking into it brought me across this guy

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/galanau01.shtml

 

I had never heard of him, but what a solid hitter.

[A New Era]

Good God. I tried to read this whole thread. But I stopped at page 5. I swear some people would complain about ANYTHING!!

 

Point #1: We should shop smart, I don't like this signing. - The Tribune is finally PAYING OUT THE WAZOO to WIN and WIN now and you are complaining!!?

 

Point #2: He's gonna suck at 38, he sucks now - He hit 40 HR, 40 steals, 119 runs in 2006. He's got very good states when teams have let him lead off. Lou already stated he plans him for lead-off. He does NOT suck, and furthermore you guys were commenting on a RUMORED amoung when infact it is more like 6/90 with 2 option years.

 

I just can't beleive how many people in the first dozen pages I read were COMPLAINING about this. It just #*#*@*! boggles my mind. How can you not be happy about this? We get a couple above average pitchers and we are now the STRONGEST team in the NL Central by a large margin.

 

This quote looks like it is coming straight from Piniella's mouth in your avatar :D

 

:lol: That's funny when I look at it.

[baseball7897]

Good God. I tried to read this whole thread. But I stopped at page 5. I swear some people would complain about ANYTHING!!

 

Point #1: We should shop smart, I don't like this signing. - The Tribune is finally PAYING OUT THE WAZOO to WIN and WIN now and you are complaining!!?

 

Point #2: He's gonna suck at 38, he sucks now - He hit 40 HR, 40 steals, 119 runs in 2006. He's got very good states when teams have let him lead off. Lou already stated he plans him for lead-off. He does NOT suck, and furthermore you guys were commenting on a RUMORED amoung when infact it is more like 6/90 with 2 option years.

 

I just can't beleive how many people in the first dozen pages I read were COMPLAINING about this. It just #*#*@*! boggles my mind. How can you not be happy about this? We get a couple above average pitchers and we are now the STRONGEST team in the NL Central by a large margin.

 

See STL. I assume they will make the nec. moves as well. I see them putting Wainwright in the rotation along side Carpenter, Reyes, and probably Suppan (again) and some project. As well as maybe one more arm in the pen.

 

They'll likely go with Duncan or another OF'er in LF.

 

They will improve.

 

Carpenter, Wainwright, and Reyes has the makings of a good rotation.

 

Reyes was about as good as Marshall last year and nowhere near as good as Hill when all was said and done.

 

Wainwright, tough to tell. high touted, but history of mechanical and arm problems. moving into the rotation will be interesting to watch.

 

Carpenter? I'm still waiting for his surgically repaired arm to fall off after all these innings and curveballs.

 

Reyes and Prior have very similiar upper body mechanics. Elbow lifters would be a good way to describe them. Kerry Wood and John Smoltz are the same way. Basically, if the Cards could get 30 starts out of Carpenter, Reyes, and Wainwright I don't see why they shouldn't be conisder a potential threat in the NL Central.

[CubinNY]

There are many moves yet to be made. I'll let Mr. Hendry finish before I say yeah or neigh.

 

I agree Cuse, but on it's face it is a bad contract.

 

If Hendry can trade Jones and put Soriano in RF, and then land Drew to play CF, I will be quite pleased.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Good God. I tried to read this whole thread. But I stopped at page 5. I swear some people would complain about ANYTHING!!

 

Point #1: We should shop smart, I don't like this signing. - The Tribune is finally PAYING OUT THE WAZOO to WIN and WIN now and you are complaining!!?

 

Point #2: He's gonna suck at 38, he sucks now - He hit 40 HR, 40 steals, 119 runs in 2006. He's got very good states when teams have let him lead off. Lou already stated he plans him for lead-off. He does NOT suck, and furthermore you guys were commenting on a RUMORED amoung when infact it is more like 6/90 with 2 option years.

 

I just can't beleive how many people in the first dozen pages I read were COMPLAINING about this. It just #*#*@*! boggles my mind. How can you not be happy about this? We get a couple above average pitchers and we are now the STRONGEST team in the NL Central by a large margin.

 

SORIANO IS NOT AN EXTREMELY STRONG OFFENSIVE PLAYER

 

Are me and Nilo the only people that understand that last year was an anomaly? Quoting nonsense like 40-40-40 and RBI is bad enough, but the entire point is that he had a career year and he's very likely not going to do that again.

 

On a tangential note, how does everyone think Soriano's approach is going to age? He doesn't have the most compact swing in the world, which could lead to big problems once he loses a tick of bat speed.

[Sammy Sofa]

it is possible for the cubs to now have three 40 homerun guys in the same lineup.

 

anyone know if the cubs have ever had that happen?

 

With the possibility of it happening? 2004. The REALITY? That's a different question...

[jjgman21]

so we went from terrible to average spending 150 million in the process when we probably could have done it for less than half that.

 

Were not at $150m. We're more close to about $100mil so far. Where do you get $150m? Man, some of you guys are making things up just to be negative. I don't get it?

 

soriano's 136 million + derosa's 13 million = 149 million.

 

i think that's what kctigers was saying

 

if not factually accurate, taking things to extremes to make a point.

 

I don't like the contract, and I didn't like the DeRosa signing, but there are some who will complain to no end because the transactions they wanted didn't happen, regardless of how much better the transactions that do happen improve the team.

[Jon]

so we went from terrible to average spending 150 million in the process when we probably could have done it for less than half that.

 

Were not at $150m. We're more close to about $100mil so far. Where do you get $150m? Man, some of you guys are making things up just to be negative. I don't get it?

 

soriano's 136 million + derosa's 13 million = 149 million.

 

i think that's what kctigers was saying

Having one of those two players being above average isn't bad.

 

 

Soriano is not a great player. Two great months and one absurd month doesn't out-weigh a career line of .280/.325/.510. Spending well over $100 million on a player who isn't great is going to bring with it some criticism.

[Neuby]

Good God. I tried to read this whole thread. But I stopped at page 5. I swear some people would complain about ANYTHING!!

 

Point #1: We should shop smart, I don't like this signing. - The Tribune is finally PAYING OUT THE WAZOO to WIN and WIN now and you are complaining!!?

 

Point #2: He's gonna suck at 38, he sucks now - He hit 40 HR, 40 steals, 119 runs in 2006. He's got very good states when teams have let him lead off. Lou already stated he plans him for lead-off. He does NOT suck, and furthermore you guys were commenting on a RUMORED amoung when infact it is more like 6/90 with 2 option years.

 

I just can't beleive how many people in the first dozen pages I read were COMPLAINING about this. It just #*#*@*! boggles my mind. How can you not be happy about this? We get a couple above average pitchers and we are now the STRONGEST team in the NL Central by a large margin.

 

SORIANO IS NOT AN EXTREMELY STRONG OFFENSIVE PLAYER

 

Are me and Nilo the only people that understand that last year was an anomaly? Quoting nonsense like 40-40-40 and RBI is bad enough, but the entire point is that he had a career year and he's very likely not going to do that again.

 

On a tangential note, how does everyone think Soriano's approach is going to age? He doesn't have the most compact swing in the world, which could lead to big problems once he loses a tick of bat speed.

 

Tiger won't your numbers also show that he did all that last year in a pitchers park , while also raising his walk rate?

[Shilzzz]

it is possible for the cubs to now have three 40 homerun guys in the same lineup.

 

anyone know if the cubs have ever had that happen?

 

I don't think so, but looking into it brought me across this guy

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/galanau01.shtml

 

I had never heard of him, but what a solid hitter.

 

odd that he retired after a season with a .471 obp.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

See STL. I assume they will make the nec. moves as well. I see them putting Wainwright in the rotation along side Carpenter, Reyes, and probably Suppan (again) and some project. As well as maybe one more arm in the pen.

 

They'll likely go with Duncan or another OF'er in LF.

 

They will improve.

 

Carpenter, Wainwright, and Reyes has the makings of a good rotation.

 

Reyes was about as good as Marshall last year and nowhere near as good as Hill when all was said and done.

 

Wainwright, tough to tell. high touted, but history of mechanical and arm problems. moving into the rotation will be interesting to watch.

 

Carpenter? I'm still waiting for his surgically repaired arm to fall off after all these innings and curveballs.

 

Many pitchers struggle in their first go round, it doesn't indicate they will pitch to that level the rest of their career. This goes for both Reyes and Marshall, but Reyes is a potential #1 starter and Marshall a 3-4. I'd be much more concerned if Anthony will remain healthy for a full season.

[A New Era]

so we went from terrible to average spending 150 million in the process when we probably could have done it for less than half that.

 

Were not at $150m. We're more close to about $100mil so far. Where do you get $150m? Man, some of you guys are making things up just to be negative. I don't get it?

 

soriano's 136 million + derosa's 13 million = 149 million.

 

i think that's what kctigers was saying

 

Ok, I thought that was about the yearly budget.

[Master Shake]

The only thing that remains to be said is that The Cubs apparently have him, so we'll have to see what Soriano shows up.

 

We have no choice in the matter.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Good God. I tried to read this whole thread. But I stopped at page 5. I swear some people would complain about ANYTHING!!

 

Point #1: We should shop smart, I don't like this signing. - The Tribune is finally PAYING OUT THE WAZOO to WIN and WIN now and you are complaining!!?

 

Point #2: He's gonna suck at 38, he sucks now - He hit 40 HR, 40 steals, 119 runs in 2006. He's got very good states when teams have let him lead off. Lou already stated he plans him for lead-off. He does NOT suck, and furthermore you guys were commenting on a RUMORED amoung when infact it is more like 6/90 with 2 option years.

 

I just can't beleive how many people in the first dozen pages I read were COMPLAINING about this. It just #*#*@*! boggles my mind. How can you not be happy about this? We get a couple above average pitchers and we are now the STRONGEST team in the NL Central by a large margin.

 

SORIANO IS NOT AN EXTREMELY STRONG OFFENSIVE PLAYER

 

Are me and Nilo the only people that understand that last year was an anomaly? Quoting nonsense like 40-40-40 and RBI is bad enough, but the entire point is that he had a career year and he's very likely not going to do that again.

 

On a tangential note, how does everyone think Soriano's approach is going to age? He doesn't have the most compact swing in the world, which could lead to big problems once he loses a tick of bat speed.

 

Tiger won't your numbers also show that he did all that last year in a pitchers park , while also raising his walk rate?

 

The context of the season isn't nearly as relevant as the fact that he's 30 years old and had never put up that production before.

 

And while I'm semi-ranting I can't say I'm thrilled with him leading off or playing RF(less concerned with the RF part).

[jjgman21]

Good God. I tried to read this whole thread. But I stopped at page 5. I swear some people would complain about ANYTHING!!

 

Point #1: We should shop smart, I don't like this signing. - The Tribune is finally PAYING OUT THE WAZOO to WIN and WIN now and you are complaining!!?

 

Point #2: He's gonna suck at 38, he sucks now - He hit 40 HR, 40 steals, 119 runs in 2006. He's got very good states when teams have let him lead off. Lou already stated he plans him for lead-off. He does NOT suck, and furthermore you guys were commenting on a RUMORED amoung when infact it is more like 6/90 with 2 option years.

 

I just can't beleive how many people in the first dozen pages I read were COMPLAINING about this. It just #*#*@*! boggles my mind. How can you not be happy about this? We get a couple above average pitchers and we are now the STRONGEST team in the NL Central by a large margin.

 

SORIANO IS NOT AN EXTREMELY STRONG OFFENSIVE PLAYER

 

Are me and Nilo the only people that understand that last year was an anomaly? Quoting nonsense like 40-40-40 and RBI is bad enough, but the entire point is that he had a career year and he's very likely not going to do that again.

 

On a tangential note, how does everyone think Soriano's approach is going to age? He doesn't have the most compact swing in the world, which could lead to big problems once he loses a tick of bat speed.

 

the 40-40-40 thing is a little silly, but one could argue that 04-05 were the anomoly. OPS+

 

 

2002 131

2003 128

2004 98

2005 110

2006 132

 

how can it be an anomoly if it happened three out of the past five years?

[Laura]

I'll echo a couple others upthread who heard it reaported on the Score as 'in the neighborhood' of 6yr /$90M guaranteed; 2 option years and multiple incentives making it potentially 8yr/$136.

[A New Era]

Good God. I tried to read this whole thread. But I stopped at page 5. I swear some people would complain about ANYTHING!!

 

Point #1: We should shop smart, I don't like this signing. - The Tribune is finally PAYING OUT THE WAZOO to WIN and WIN now and you are complaining!!?

 

Point #2: He's gonna suck at 38, he sucks now - He hit 40 HR, 40 steals, 119 runs in 2006. He's got very good states when teams have let him lead off. Lou already stated he plans him for lead-off. He does NOT suck, and furthermore you guys were commenting on a RUMORED amoung when infact it is more like 6/90 with 2 option years.

 

I just can't beleive how many people in the first dozen pages I read were COMPLAINING about this. It just #*#*@*! boggles my mind. How can you not be happy about this? We get a couple above average pitchers and we are now the STRONGEST team in the NL Central by a large margin.

 

SORIANO IS NOT AN EXTREMELY STRONG OFFENSIVE PLAYER

 

Are me and Nilo the only people that understand that last year was an anomaly? Quoting nonsense like 40-40-40 and RBI is bad enough, but the entire point is that he had a career year and he's very likely not going to do that again.

 

On a tangential note, how does everyone think Soriano's approach is going to age? He doesn't have the most compact swing in the world, which could lead to big problems once he loses a tick of bat speed.

 

I owe you an apology TT. For I did not even read your response. Let me just say this. You can go ahead and keep pounding how this is a "bad deal". Hey I can agree with that. But I'll be over in the other room salivating about our line-up and really looking foward to the Cubs finally feilding a strong team next year!

[nilodnayr]

so we went from terrible to average spending 150 million in the process when we probably could have done it for less than half that.

 

emphasis added.

 

I love the arm chair quarterbacking of GMs. noboday has any idea whatsoever of what happens in these negotiations, yet people presume they know what probably could have happened.

 

Agreed.

 

Ok, then I GUARANTEE Lugo signs for less than 67M. You are obviously missing KC's point.