The General Managers' Meetings Thread

[goonys evil twin]

BTW, I'm in no way advocating signing Carlos Lee to play LF, just playing devil's advocate to the notion that he is in some sort of obvious statistical decline

 

Nobody is saying that, though.

 

This is how you avoid disaster contracts like the Yankees are saddled with right now, and like we have been in the past. You don't sign a 30 year old guy (outside of a real superstar like an ARod or Pujols) coming off a career year to a big money long-term contract.

 

I'd take it a step further and say you don't sign a fat 30 year old who has never been anything special and has a career OPS+ of just 113, (while you have a 24 year old with a career OPS+ of 111 who is poised to improve, already in that position) when that fat 30 year old is looking for a longterm 8 digit salary.

 

Now, if the 30 year old played a position of great need, and was immensely more productive than any internal option, and his expected salary was more in-line with what he is likely to produce the next 3-5 years, I'd consider it.

[Derwood]

BTW, I'm in no way advocating signing Carlos Lee to play LF, just playing devil's advocate to the notion that he is in some sort of obvious statistical decline

 

Nobody is saying that, though.

 

This is how you avoid disaster contracts like the Yankees are saddled with right now, and like we have been in the past. You don't sign a 30 year old guy (outside of a real superstar like an ARod or Pujols) coming off a career year to a big money long-term contract.

 

so are you against signing Lee, Soriano and/or Drew? All will get multiple years and all are over 30

[illiniguy]

BTW, I'm in no way advocating signing Carlos Lee to play LF, just playing devil's advocate to the notion that he is in some sort of obvious statistical decline

 

Nobody is saying that, though.

 

This is how you avoid disaster contracts like the Yankees are saddled with right now, and like we have been in the past. You don't sign a 30 year old guy (outside of a real superstar like an ARod or Pujols) coming off a career year to a big money long-term contract.

 

so are you against signing Lee, Soriano and/or Drew? All will get multiple years and all are over 30

Drew can play center and that is a position of need, I kind of feel the same way about CLEE.

[rjchapma]

davhern said the young guys beg to differ about the age thing and hitting for power. Ive also heard that good power hitters except freaks like pujols and howard hit there real top level around 32.

 

Heard from where?

 

Davhearn said it on the last page telling me that pujols, howard, etc. beg to differ about older players having pop.

 

I think he was talking about how you "heard" that power hitters peak at age 32.

 

Yes, that's what I was wondering, rjchapma.

 

 

all im saying is there are alot of hitters in the league who are over 30 and have tremendous pop. You cant say someone is on the decline if they havent started declining yet. Like Derwood said just cause they are that old doesnt mean they are declining. also even if they are somewhat out of shape which Lee is not that bad. I mean hes still a pretty damn good runner. It doesnt mean they are on the decline.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

BTW, I'm in no way advocating signing Carlos Lee to play LF, just playing devil's advocate to the notion that he is in some sort of obvious statistical decline

 

Nobody is saying that, though.

 

This is how you avoid disaster contracts like the Yankees are saddled with right now, and like we have been in the past. You don't sign a 30 year old guy (outside of a real superstar like an ARod or Pujols) coming off a career year to a big money long-term contract.

 

so are you against signing Lee, Soriano and/or Drew? All will get multiple years and all are over 30

 

Soriano and Drew might play positions of need, but yes, I'm wary of all three (Drew: injury history; Soriano: contract year?). But both are less likely to need to be DHing in 2-3 years.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

BTW, I'm in no way advocating signing Carlos Lee to play LF, just playing devil's advocate to the notion that he is in some sort of obvious statistical decline

 

Nobody is saying that, though.

 

This is how you avoid disaster contracts like the Yankees are saddled with right now, and like we have been in the past. You don't sign a 30 year old guy (outside of a real superstar like an ARod or Pujols) coming off a career year to a big money long-term contract.

 

so are you against signing Lee, Soriano and/or Drew? All will get multiple years and all are over 30

 

I only want Drew. He's significantly better offensively, and he doesn't have the weight/fitness issues like Lee that would bring on a more rapid decline.

[David]

BTW, I'm in no way advocating signing Carlos Lee to play LF, just playing devil's advocate to the notion that he is in some sort of obvious statistical decline

 

Nobody is saying that, though.

 

This is how you avoid disaster contracts like the Yankees are saddled with right now, and like we have been in the past. You don't sign a 30 year old guy (outside of a real superstar like an ARod or Pujols) coming off a career year to a big money long-term contract.

 

so are you against signing Lee, Soriano and/or Drew? All will get multiple years and all are over 30

 

Soriano, for the money he's asking, yes. Lee, yes. I'm assuming Drew's demands are at least SLIGHTLY more reasonable, given his injury history. His production is also more sustainable because he is a very patient hitter, which niether Lee nor Soriano is.

 

JD Drew would be the ideal signing for the Cubs. I don't think they realize it, so I can only hope they wind up with him serendipitously.

[mg420]

it sounds like the cubs and drew are not interested in each other and soriano and lee will cost too much in the long run for the production they will put up in the last years of their contracts. i do like the idea of roberts for cf, signing craig wilson to platoon with jones and be a utility player. i also wonder what the indians would want for westbrook as he seems a better fit for the cubs than lilly. i havent heard catallenatto's name mentioned either but he might be a better fit than durham at 2b until ep works out his defensive issues.

[rjchapma]

it sounds like the cubs and drew are not interested in each other and soriano and lee will cost too much in the long run for the production they will put up in the last years of their contracts. i do like the idea of roberts for cf, signing craig wilson to platoon with jones and be a utility player. i also wonder what the indians would want for westbrook as he seems a better fit for the cubs than lilly. i havent heard catallenatto's name mentioned either but he might be a better fit than durham at 2b until ep works out his defensive issues.

 

 

I like your thinking MG!

[goonys evil twin]

all im saying is there are alot of hitters in the league who are over 30 and have tremendous pop.

 

Tremendous pop does not mean anything. Production is what matters and that encompasses more than pop. Guys over 30 usually aren't as productive as they were under 30.

[rjchapma]

are you kidding me? Think about that again please :D. I think players like Babe Ruth, Hank arron, and Barry Bonds come to mind to me better later in there careers.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

are you kidding me? Think about that again please :D. I think players like Babe Ruth, Hank arron, and Barry Bonds come to mind to me better later in there careers.

 

3 out of how many thousands?

[rjchapma]

Sosa, Mark McGuwire, Papi, Carlos Lee last year, DLee the year before. Dude its not that irregular its more like 50/50.

[mg420]

it sounds like the cubs and drew are not interested in each other and soriano and lee will cost too much in the long run for the production they will put up in the last years of their contracts. i do like the idea of roberts for cf, signing craig wilson to platoon with jones and be a utility player. i also wonder what the indians would want for westbrook as he seems a better fit for the cubs than lilly. i havent heard catallenatto's name mentioned either but he might be a better fit than durham at 2b until ep works out his defensive issues.

 

 

I like your thinking MG!

 

thank you. i just think that the way to the series will be paved by the strength of the minor leauge system rather than very expensive veterens.

[David]

Sosa, Mark McGuwire, Papi, Carlos Lee last year, DLee the year before. Dude its not that irregular its more like 50/50.

 

No, it's really, really not.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Sosa, Mark McGuwire, Papi, Carlos Lee last year, DLee the year before. Dude its not that irregular its more like 50/50.

 

First off, Derrek Lee was 29 for most of his career year in 2005.

 

And Sosa, McGwire...you forgot Bonds. We don't know how many of these players were aided by illegal supplements.

 

Next off, you mention one year for both Lees, that doesn't show anything.

[rjchapma]

totally agree, but I do think we need to sign a meche, padilla, or lilly, or trade for westbrook. Offensively though I agree.

[mg420]

totally agree, but I do think we need to sign a meche, padilla, or lilly, or trade for westbrook. Offensively though I agree.

 

i agree. they do need at least one more starter and 2 would be ideal. i like westbrook and iwaga myself. lilly would be ok too but padilla is too expensive imo. dont know too much about meche.

[rjchapma]

Padilla is way to expensive comepletly disagree, but if hes all that is left I think we need too.

[fromthestretch]

totally agree, but I do think we need to sign a meche, padilla, or lilly, or trade for westbrook. Offensively though I agree.

 

i agree. they do need at least one more starter and 2 would be ideal. i like westbrook and iwaga myself. lilly would be ok too but padilla is too expensive imo. dont know too much about meche.

 

I really hate the idea of Gil Meche pitching for the Cubs.

[Derwood]

totally agree, but I do think we need to sign a meche, padilla, or lilly, or trade for westbrook. Offensively though I agree.

 

i agree. they do need at least one more starter and 2 would be ideal. i like westbrook and iwaga myself. lilly would be ok too but padilla is too expensive imo. dont know too much about meche.

 

I really hate the idea of Gil Meche pitching for the Cubs.

 

he was #3 in the AL in walks allowed last year. Sound like he fits in here perfectly

[fromthestretch]

totally agree, but I do think we need to sign a meche, padilla, or lilly, or trade for westbrook. Offensively though I agree.

 

i agree. they do need at least one more starter and 2 would be ideal. i like westbrook and iwaga myself. lilly would be ok too but padilla is too expensive imo. dont know too much about meche.

 

I really hate the idea of Gil Meche pitching for the Cubs.

 

he was #3 in the AL in walks allowed last year. Sound like he fits in here perfectly

 

The only thing you can hope for from Gil Meche is a Clement-like career turnaround in a Cubs uniform. I don't want to bank on that. His 1.44 career WHIP and tendency to give up the longball don't make me very optimistic.

[YearofDaCubs]

BTW, I'm in no way advocating signing Carlos Lee to play LF, just playing devil's advocate to the notion that he is in some sort of obvious statistical decline

 

Nobody is saying that, though.

 

This is how you avoid disaster contracts like the Yankees are saddled with right now, and like we have been in the past. You don't sign a 30 year old guy (outside of a real superstar like an ARod or Pujols) coming off a career year to a big money long-term contract.

 

so are you against signing Lee, Soriano and/or Drew? All will get multiple years and all are over 30

 

I only want Drew. He's significantly better offensively, and he doesn't have the weight/fitness issues like Lee that would bring on a more rapid decline.

I'm with you, Drew should be our top priority. He would be a huge improvement to this offense.

[cubweiser03]

Im going to take back what i said earlier in this thread that nothing gets done in this meetings. Jim Hendry drove the Brinks truck to this years winter meeting and Mark DeRosa is driving it home. Nice.

[goonys evil twin]

Im going to take back what i said earlier in this thread that nothing gets done in this meetings. Jim Hendry drove the Brinks truck to this years winter meeting and Mark DeRosa is driving it home. Nice.

 

No. Hendry hired a driver to take care of it and he chartered a private jet for DeRosa to take home.