The General Managers' Meetings Thread

[C.C.]

'why would u be afraid of trading Murton for Westbrook and then getting Lee. You replace left with a better leftfielder and then get an arm for the rotation.'

 

If you take in to account Murtons potential and Lees possible decline together with the cost of each i take murton every time.

 

Also, look at the end result. Lee ($10m+) and Westbrook ($5.5m, plus he's going to be a free agent), or Murton ($350,000) and INSERT FREE AGENT PITCHER HERE ($10m+). You save a lot of money keeping Murton both now, and in the near future.

 

Very true, but I don't think Hendry's capable of basic logic...

[RyCubsFan]

Post ASB '06:

 

Murton

.319 / .390 / .522 (9 HR)

 

Lee

.311 / .358 / .512 (11 HR)

[ChiCubsFan]

Anyone else feel that this year is Murtons big one? it came late last year but i feel he finally figured it out 2nd half (i'm lazy can someone put his splits post all-star against C-Lees and Sorianos!!?? Thanks in advance!). if he hits similar to his 2nd half in front of D-Lee,Aram, + Another i could see 20 HRS and 80 RBis no problem. I'd like him to hit 2nd in the lineup, if we get Durham that could be a problem.

 

Post All Star

Murton: .319/.390/.522 (.911OPS)

CLee: .311/.358/.512 (.870 OPS)

Soriano: .283/.367/.572 (.940 OPS)

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Soriano is likely to sign before Drew. Boras loves to drag things out as he plays teams against each other.

 

I think a likely scenario could be the Cubs and Angels driving up the bidding for Soriano. When the Cubs bow out there, Drew will very likely still be on the market.

 

Hopefully at that point, the Cubs will make him their prime target.

[C.C.]

Anyone else feel that this year is Murtons big one? it came late last year but i feel he finally figured it out 2nd half (i'm lazy can someone put his splits post all-star against C-Lees and Sorianos!!?? Thanks in advance!). if he hits similar to his 2nd half in front of D-Lee,Aram, + Another i could see 20 HRS and 80 RBis no problem. I'd like him to hit 2nd in the lineup, if we get Durham that could be a problem.

 

Post All Star

Murton: .319/.390/.522 (.911OPS)

CLee: .311/.358/.512 (.870 OPS)

Soriano: .283/.367/.572 (.940 OPS)

 

That is a great post and quite shocking to say the least.

[USSoccer]

I am amazed that we've no interest in Drew, Hendry and Baker always loved the idea of a LH stick in between Lee and Aram. Drew would also solve our sick team OBP, i guess he just makes to much sense to go after.

 

I really think Hendry is afraid to sign a guy like Drew because of past injury concerns.

[WrigleyinEngland]

Looking at our SP situation, who from the minors has the inside track?? are we all decided that guzman, marmol,mateo and Ryu are AAAA pitchers or will they get another look?? Who arrives first Gallagher or Veal??. One more to think about should we unload Epatt while his value would appear to be sky high??

[ChiCubsFan]

Im disappointed that Drew isn't on Hendry's radar. He seems awfully set on Soriano. I guess I could live with Soriano at CF, although I would prefer Drew. If he really wants Soriano he better go all out and get him signed ASAP.

[cubweiser03]

I am amazed that we've no interest in Drew, Hendry and Baker always loved the idea of a LH stick in between Lee and Aram. Drew would also solve our sick team OBP, i guess he just makes to much sense to go after.

 

I really think Hendry is afraid to sign a guy like Drew because of past injury concerns.

 

I think so too. His ass is on the line, all he needs is for drew to go down for a month or two next year. Thats disaster for JH. If Soriano goes down no one will point the finger at JH.

[RyCubsFan]

Looking at our SP situation, who from the minors has the inside track?? are we all decided that guzman, marmol,mateo and Ryu are AAAA pitchers or will they get another look?? Who arrives first Gallagher or Veal??. One more to think about should we unload Epatt while his value would appear to be sky high??

 

We're defineately not decided on that. All four have talent and will merit more looks.

 

I think Guzman is going to be an excellent ML starting pitcher. He has the most potential as a starter. Mateo and Ryu could be decent #4 pitchers. I see Marmol as a back of the bullpen kinda guy.

[JWCUB]

Looking at our SP situation, who from the minors has the inside track?? are we all decided that guzman, marmol,mateo and Ryu are AAAA pitchers or will they get another look?? Who arrives first Gallagher or Veal??. One more to think about should we unload Epatt while his value would appear to be sky high??

 

Don't forget O'Malley. I really think this kid could be good. He needs another year or two to get seasoned.

[RyCubsFan]

Looking at our SP situation, who from the minors has the inside track?? are we all decided that guzman, marmol,mateo and Ryu are AAAA pitchers or will they get another look?? Who arrives first Gallagher or Veal??. One more to think about should we unload Epatt while his value would appear to be sky high??

 

Don't forget O'Malley. I really think this kid could be good. He needs another year or two to get seasoned.

 

 

Oh I have to disagree on O'Malley. I like O'Malley a lot, but I don't see much potential for a successful big league career.

 

The poster did forget about Marshall though. Marshall has a lot more potential than O'Malley and will likely have a somewhat successful career.

[WrigleyinEngland]

Post All Star

Murton: .319/.390/.522 (.911OPS)

CLee: .311/.358/.512 (.870 OPS)

Soriano: .283/.367/.572 (.940 OPS)

 

Can someone please e-mail these stats to the Ramirez bashing jurnos. Then when we get one of these overpriced sluggers they can bash them for not producing any better than our current LF. Oh no they'll present Soriano as the 2nd coming of Billy Wiliiams.

[CUBZ99]

Anyone else feel that this year is Murtons big one? it came late last year but i feel he finally figured it out 2nd half (i'm lazy can someone put his splits post all-star against C-Lees and Sorianos!!?? Thanks in advance!). if he hits similar to his 2nd half in front of D-Lee,Aram, + Another i could see 20 HRS and 80 RBis no problem. I'd like him to hit 2nd in the lineup, if we get Durham that could be a problem.

 

Post All Star

Murton: .319/.390/.522 (.911OPS)

CLee: .311/.358/.512 (.870 OPS)

Soriano: .283/.367/.572 (.940 OPS)

 

If the Cubs only played half a season the numbers would look better. But unfortunately, they play an entire season and while including numbers you left out Soriano and CLee outperformed Murton for the entire season, including providing a substanial amount more of HR's and RBI's.

 

In fact if you look at CLee's numbers they are nearly identical to ARAM's numbers last year. Everyone was flipping out about the possibility of losing ARAM, adding CLee would in essence be adding another ARAM-like bat to the middle of the lineup. Sure the cost would be quite a bit more, but without regard to cost, I take CLee everyday of the week over Murton.

 

Once again, I'm not saying Murton won't be good or doesn't have potential, I'm just pointing out that his production (especially power) is not in the same league as CLee's yet.

[fromthestretch]

Looking at our SP situation, who from the minors has the inside track?? are we all decided that guzman, marmol,mateo and Ryu are AAAA pitchers or will they get another look?? Who arrives first Gallagher or Veal??. One more to think about should we unload Epatt while his value would appear to be sky high??

 

Don't forget O'Malley. I really think this kid could be good. He needs another year or two to get seasoned.

 

O'Malley was 26 this year. Most of his career in the minors was spent as a reliever, and his career numbers at AA and AAA aren't anything to write home about.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I think Marshall has the inside track. Then it's a toss up between Mateo, Marmol, and Guzman.

 

Gallagher likely is a year away.

[CUBZ99]

I think Marshall has the inside track. Then it's a toss up between Mateo, Marmol, and Guzman.

 

Gallagher likely is a year away.

 

I truly hope that Hendry is not counting on any of the above named pitchers to start the season in the rotation. Last year they all proved that they weren't ready quite yet.

[Flames24Rulz]

Looking at our SP situation, who from the minors has the inside track?? are we all decided that guzman, marmol,mateo and Ryu are AAAA pitchers or will they get another look?? Who arrives first Gallagher or Veal??. One more to think about should we unload Epatt while his value would appear to be sky high??

 

Don't forget O'Malley. I really think this kid could be good. He needs another year or two to get seasoned.

 

I'm definitely not counting on O'Malley. He's a AAA pitcher at best.

[WrigleyinEngland]

CUBZ99

 

You have to also add the fact that it was Murtons first full season and like another poster pointed out if you take out matts awful june he batted 311. He will be far more valuable for the amount of money comapred to talent than C-Lee on a multi year contract. Another aspect to consider is the inevitable M Cabrera derby, we will require quality young players like murton to even have the slightest chance of trading for miggy.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I think Marshall has the inside track. Then it's a toss up between Mateo, Marmol, and Guzman.

 

Gallagher likely is a year away.

 

I truly hope that Hendry is not counting on any of the above named pitchers to start the season in the rotation. Last year they all proved that they weren't ready quite yet.

 

I think there could be hope for Marshall.

 

Last season he had an 83 ERA+ as he posted a 5.59 ERA and a 1.5 WHIP.

 

In Bonderman's first season, he had a 77 ERA+ as he posted a 5.56 ERA and a 1.5 WHIP.

 

Now, Bonderman was three years younger than Marshall at the time. It also took Bonerman a few seasons to reach the level he is at now.

 

But if one simply looked at his early numbers, they may have written him off as well.

 

Marshall might be a decent candidate for a fifth spot in the rotation if we have some depth around him.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Furthermore, in his age 23 season Wade Miller only posted a 96 ERA+ before having two phenomenal years.

 

I can see Marshall having a path similar to someone like Maroth or Odalis Perez.

 

He could be bad, but then he also could make a few adjustments, stay healthy, and give an ERA+ between 90-110 which would make him an acceptable fifth starter.

 

The Cubs do need to add one more pitcher. Two would be nice, but I think with the addition of one solid to very good pitcher, the Cubs could be ok.

[abuck1220]

I think Marshall has the inside track. Then it's a toss up between Mateo, Marmol, and Guzman.

 

Gallagher likely is a year away.

 

I truly hope that Hendry is not counting on any of the above named pitchers to start the season in the rotation. Last year they all proved that they weren't ready quite yet.

 

next year isn't last year.

[WrigleyinEngland]

'The Cubs do need to add one more pitcher. Two would be nice, but I think with the addition of one solid to very good pitcher, the Cubs could be ok.'

 

Vance i mostly agree with everything you post as you talk alot of sense however i think we need more than one solid pitcher and i don't think Meche and Padilla would be the answer.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

'The Cubs do need to add one more pitcher. Two would be nice, but I think with the addition of one solid to very good pitcher, the Cubs could be ok.'

 

Vance i mostly agree with everything you post as you talk alot of sense however i think we need more than one solid pitcher and i don't think Meche and Padilla would be the answer.

 

As I see it, we have Zambrano and Hill as near locks for the rotation. Miller is there, but we don't know what he will provide. Prior is the same way. Prior could be an ace, but he could not contribute at all.

 

With those four, three spots could be filled and maybe four depending on the healthy of Prior and Miller.

 

If we sign one pitcher, then four sports are filled and maybe five.

 

With the host of kids led by Marshall and followed by Marmol, Mateo, Guzman, and Ryu I really think the Cubs will be ok.

 

While it would be nice to add two pitchers, at the prices they are getting, I'd almost prefer to spend the money adding one more bat.

[goonys evil twin]

I think Marshall has the inside track. Then it's a toss up between Mateo, Marmol, and Guzman.

 

Gallagher likely is a year away.

 

I truly hope that Hendry is not counting on any of the above named pitchers to start the season in the rotation. Last year they all proved that they weren't ready quite yet.

 

next year isn't last year.

 

Next year isn't a good year to put those guys back into prominent roles either. They stunk. And will most likely continue to stink, as none of them showed any sort of progress as the year went on.