Pie for Willis

[Ding Dong Johnson]

plus we need the pitching so whoever is against requiring a starter who is pretty good is retarted no offense.

 

It doesn't get much more ignorant than this.

 

that was a laugh out louder, goony.

 

but i'm still firmly in the "requiring a starter" camp, though. make no mistake, retart.

 

Thanks, I just had some of my Coca-Cola shoot out of my nose.

 

Pedro had a Coke and a smile.

 

The smile definitely came before the Coke. That crap burns on the way out.

[rjchapma]

ok this is the way i see it! first off I think that you cant judge how good a pitcher is if theyve been hurst most of their career. Kazmir and liriano both look spectacular im not going to lie, but on the other hand liriano got hurt and they dont know when he'll be back I mean it was his elbow. Kazmir I dont know specificly, but I know hes been hurt most of his career as well. Dontrelle has been healthy and has been pretty darn good. By the way I know Petitte was leading the majors for the majority of the year in losses im positive bout that. I know Dontrelle didnt have great year last year, but we need pitching and like I said if you honestly dont think that Dontrelle would help ou our staff then you and notice I spelled it right this time "[expletive]". no offense to anyone, but we need pitching it would be ridiculous not to go for a trade in getting another ace for our staff.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Sure, if the Cubs could get Dontrelle at the right price, they should do it. On the other hand, the Cubs do have to consider the cost in players and dollars to acquire him.

 

I wouldn't mind having Dontrelle, but I don't think the Cubs would be serious players. There are teams with deeper minor leagues who have more players to spare than the Cubs do that would have a greater desire to get him.

 

Personally, I'd rather see the Cubs throw money at Matsuzaka than throw players at the Marlins for Dontrelle.

[goonys evil twin]

like I said if you honestly dont think that Dontrelle would help ou our staff then you and notice I spelled it right this time "[expletive]". no offense to anyone, but we need pitching it would be ridiculous not to go for a trade in getting another ace for our staff.

 

If you can't tell the difference between not wanting to trade Murton, Pie and a pitching prospect for Willis, and not thinking Willis could help the team, well, then, you're something. But there is a significant difference.

[fromthestretch]

Kazmir I dont know specificly, but I know hes been hurt most of his career as well.

 

I don't believe that statement is very accurate. He made his debut at age 20 in 2004. In 2005, he made 32 starts. Yes, he missed some time this year, but that hardly makes him "hurt most of his career."

 

I know Petitte was leading the majors for the majority of the year in losses im positive bout that.

 

He finished with 13. The following pitchers had more losses (I will stress, as I said before, that this is not the best way to judge pitchers):

 

Rodrigo Lopez (18)

Ramon Ortiz (16)

Jason Marquis (16)

Carlos Silva (15)

Matt Morris (15)

Aaron Cook (15)

Mark Hendrickson (15)

Zach Duke (15)

Jamie Moyer (14)

Greg Maddux (14)

Jeff Weaver (14)

Jake Peavy (14)

Kelvim Escobar (14)

Felix Hernandez (14)

Jarod Washburn (14)

 

A lot of guys must have had really bad Septembers if Pettitte led the majors in losses for most of the year.

[Yeti]

Kazmir I dont know specificly, but I know hes been hurt most of his career as well.

 

I don't believe that statement is very accurate. He made his debut at age 20 in 2004. In 2005, he made 32 starts. Yes, he missed some time this year, but that hardly makes him "hurt most of his career."

 

I know Petitte was leading the majors for the majority of the year in losses im positive bout that.

 

He finished with 13. The following pitchers had more losses (I will stress, as I said before, that this is not the best way to judge pitchers):

 

Rodrigo Lopez (18)

Ramon Ortiz (16)

Jason Marquis (16)

Carlos Silva (15)

Matt Morris (15)

Aaron Cook (15)

Mark Hendrickson (15)

Zach Duke (15)

Jamie Moyer (14)

Greg Maddux (14)

Jeff Weaver (14)

Jake Peavy (14)

Kelvim Escobar (14)

Felix Hernandez (14)

Jarod Washburn (14)

 

A lot of guys must have had really bad Septembers if Pettitte led the majors in losses for most of the year.

also keep in mind that Willis lost 12 in '06

[Ding Dong Johnson]

also keep in mind that Willis lost 12 in '06

 

You have to lose 13 or more to suck.

[LuckyPup]

has this thread been yanr'ed?

[Warpticon]

ok this is the way i see it! first off I think that you cant judge how good a pitcher is if theyve been hurst most of their career.

 

I disagree. I think Bruce Hurst was a pretty good, but not great pitcher over the course of his career.

[soccer10k]

This thread is hilarious. Although that may be because I'm drunk. I think I'll classify rjchapma as insane at this point.

 

I think I'll reread it when I'm sober/hungover in the morning and get back to you.

 

BEER ME!!

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

This thread is hilarious. Although that may be because I'm drunk. I think I'll classify rjchapma as insane at this point.

 

I think I'll reread it when I'm sober/hungover in the morning and get back to you.

 

BEER ME!!

 

Be sure to go back and say "no offense" first. And you might want to leave the "s" out of insane just for fun.

[rjchapma]

k im sorry guys first off about spelling [expletive] wrong I typed it to fast. I agree with you guys for the most part, but I guess im just not hung up on either murton or pie if they havent really done anything yet. I think there is a need to aquire a starter and dontrelle would be a nice addition. Thats all besides that my a key on my computer is broken so I have to copy and paste it every time. so sorry bout the bad typing to really pay attention.

[rjchapma]

and you guys dont have to be poop heads about it its just my opinion!

[RichHillIsABeast]

and you guys dont have to be poop heads about it its just my opinion!

 

Careful or you'll get a spankin'.

[rjchapma]

whatever I didnt mean to piss everyone off.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

and you guys dont have to be poop heads about it its just my opinion!

 

hahahahahahahaha

[rjchapma]

even if you think im an idiot because I mispelled something, you at least have to think logically. Getting Willis would not hurt our team one bit. He is a healthy young pitcher who would look nice in a pitching staff that only has two definite starters for next season. We have the salary so that wouldnt be a problem.

- side note- ive gotten warned to get kicked off because I swore a someone on this site, yet u guys r ripping on me left and right and I bet no one has said anything to you guys. Some r pretty funny, but come on i spelled something wrong let it go.

[goonys evil twin]

even if you think im an idiot because I mispelled something, you at least have to think logically. Getting Willis would not hurt our team one bit.

 

Nobody is saying getting Willis would hurt the team. But the logical thought is about how much you are giving up, and the net effect to the team could be negative if you give up too much.

 

Murton has already shown he can produce in the majors. He's very young, and very cheap, and provides something the Cubs desperately need (besides cheap production, it's above average OBP). He is a very valuable asset.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

even if you think im an idiot because I mispelled something, you at least have to think logically. Getting Willis would not hurt our team one bit. He is a healthy young pitcher who would look nice in a pitching staff that only has two definite starters for next season. We have the salary so that wouldnt be a problem.

- side note- ive gotten warned to get kicked off because I swore a someone on this site, yet u guys r ripping on me left and right and I bet no one has said anything to you guys. Some r pretty funny, but come on i spelled something wrong let it go.

 

Depending on the price, it could.

 

Willis will be overpriced if he is traded. The Marlins will ask for a lot. If the Cubs had to give up Murton, Pie, and Marmol to get him, that could hurt the team. If not in the short-term, definitely in the long term.

 

I'm all for getting another starter. I wouldn't mind Willis either. I just don't think he'd come at a price I'm comfortable paying.

 

And we're not ripping you. We're attacking your post and the way it was presented. There is a difference.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

even if you think im an idiot because I mispelled something, you at least have to think logically. Getting Willis would not hurt our team one bit. He is a healthy young pitcher who would look nice in a pitching staff that only has two definite starters for next season. We have the salary so that wouldnt be a problem.

- side note- ive gotten warned to get kicked off because I swore a someone on this site, yet u guys r ripping on me left and right and I bet no one has said anything to you guys. Some r pretty funny, but come on i spelled something wrong let it go.

 

Depending on the price, it could.

 

Willis will be overpriced if he is traded. The Marlins will ask for a lot. If the Cubs had to give up Murton, Pie, and Marmol to get him, that could hurt the team. If not in the short-term, definitely in the long term.

 

I'm all for getting another starter. I wouldn't mind Willis either. I just don't think he'd come at a price I'm comfortable paying.

 

And we're not ripping you. We're attacking your post and the way it was presented. There is a difference.

[rjchapma]

i semi-agree, but we need to get pitching we could easily add a free agent outfielder who will produce what murton does.

[goonys evil twin]

i semi-agree, but we need to get pitching we could easily add a free agent outfielder who will produce what murton does.

 

Getting a free agent OF who will produce what Murton does only keeps the offense where it was which is really bad, and it takes away money from the needed improvements. The Cubs need to get better hitters and pitchers.

[Yeti]

i semi-agree, but we need to get pitching we could easily add a free agent outfielder who will produce what murton does.

but murton is cheap...although payroll is being raised, there is still a budget. Any FA that puts up equivalent #'s as murt will cost us , willis will cost us...its much more budget friendly to just get a FA pitcher than give up cheap young talent to get willis and pay through the nose to replace the cheap talent we gave up to get willis

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

i semi-agree, but we need to get pitching we could easily add a free agent outfielder who will produce what murton does.

but murton is cheap...although payroll is being raised, there is still a budget. Any FA that puts up equivalent #'s as murt will cost us , willis will cost us...its much more budget friendly to just get a FA pitcher than give up cheap young talent to get willis and pay through the nose to replace the cheap talent we gave up to get willis

 

Well stated!

[rjchapma]

I guess I agree