Pie for Willis

[Pinktermite]

I think the Cubs should offer Pie and whoever else for Willis and sign him to a four or five year contract. Would this be a bad thing? The Fish need an outfielder don't they? And they don't want to pay his 8 million he'll get in arbitration.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

It would cost more than Pie, a lot more, to get Willis.

 

Furthermore, if the Marlins truly shopped Willis, I don't think the Cubs have the talent to match some of the offers the Marlins would receive.

[Pinktermite]

Okay, maybe so. I was just asking. However, offering Pie and Murton and a reliever. Then sign Soriano or CLee or something. Or K. Lofton. There are multiple scenarios. You are right, they probably dont have the talent. But they might...

[Sammy Sofa]

Okay, maybe so. I was just asking. However, offering Pie and Murton and a reliever.

 

Still not enough. Maybe if that releiver was Wuertz or Aardsma plus Gallagher and Marmol or Mateo, then MAYBE you get it done.

 

And if they got Willis I would prefer them to then spin him off to the Yankees for ARod, if possible.

[Tedward]

Okay, maybe so. I was just asking. However, offering Pie and Murton and a reliever. Then sign Soriano or CLee or something. Or K. Lofton. There are multiple scenarios. You are right, they probably dont have the talent. But they might...

 

I'd rather hold Murton and use him as a centerpiece (along with a couple of pitching prospects) to acquire Miguel Cabrera instead.

[Rob]

If we're giving Pie to the Marlins, the only player I'd want in return is Cabrera... I'm still just not sold on Willis and his ability to stay healthy.

[Mizzou]

If we're giving Pie to the Marlins, the only player I'd want in return is Cabrera... I'm still just not sold on Willis and his ability to stay healthy.

Ditto. Willis is so overrated. Good pitcher, yeah, but he's not worth trading the farm for.

 

Factoring in each player's salary, I don't think I'd trade Murton straight up for Willis. But then again, I am a huge Murton fan, and as I said, think that Willis is very overrated.

[radarluv1]

for how long is he cheap?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

for how long is he cheap?

 

Define "cheap". He'll make around 7 mil this year in arbitration and have 2 more years of arbitration after that.

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

Agreed on the sentiments that he is overrated.

 

If I take a soon to be expensive star Marlin, it's Cabrera. Would rather trust a hitter with a long contract and big money anyway. Thats not even talking about Willis having a bad season and being overrated.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Willis would attract a lot of interest. My guess is the Mets would give up Milledge and Heilman to get him...and maybe throw more into the deal.

 

The Rangers would likely offer one of the DVD guys along with the pick of their farm system to get him.

 

The Yankees could offer Tabata and Hughes.

 

I just don't think the Cubs could outbid other teams if Willis became available.

 

We'll just have to sign him as a FA in a few years.

[goonys evil twin]

I just don't think the Cubs could outbid other teams if Willis became available.

 

I don't share this opinion. Other teams might have more to offer, but that doesn't mean they will be willing to offer it. The best prospects usually never even enter the discussion for trades.

 

Somebody mentioned Pie and Murton, and that's a huge haul for any team. An already above average major league hitter looking to improve, and a high ceiling very young talent is more than most teams would offer for most players.

[CubsWin]

I just don't think the Cubs could outbid other teams if Willis became available.

 

I don't share this opinion. Other teams might have more to offer, but that doesn't mean they will be willing to offer it. The best prospects usually never even enter the discussion for trades.

 

Somebody mentioned Pie and Murton, and that's a huge haul for any team. An already above average major league hitter looking to improve, and a high ceiling very young talent is more than most teams would offer for most players.

I agree with goony. Pie and Murton are a lot to give up and likely more than many other teams would offer, but not necessarily could offer.

 

However, that's also more than I would offer. I don't like Willis enough to give up Pie to get him, much less Murton and Pie.

[rjchapma]

There is no way they would ever take a deal for Pie first off. Secondly they wouldnt take a deal for Pie, Murton, or even some pitching prospects. Hes one of the best pitchers in the major leagues. We would have to send them someone who is major league ready. If you havent noticed there are alot more teams that can offer alot more and alot more talented players.

[goonys evil twin]

There is no way they would ever take a deal for Pie first off. Secondly they wouldnt take a deal for Pie, Murton, or even some pitching prospects. Hes one of the best pitchers in the major leagues. We would have to send them someone who is major league ready. If you havent noticed there are alot more teams that can offer alot more and alot more talented players.

 

Murton isn't major league ready?

 

Willis is not one of the best pitchers in the major leagues.

[NorthsideAvenger]

There is no way they would ever take a deal for Pie first off. Secondly they wouldnt take a deal for Pie, Murton, or even some pitching prospects. Hes one of the best pitchers in the major leagues. We would have to send them someone who is major league ready. If you havent noticed there are alot more teams that can offer alot more and alot more talented players.

 

That statement is so inaccurate, it is not even funny. He is an above-average pitcher, with charm, but he is NOT one of the best pitchers in the game. There are atleast 10-12 pitchers, I would take over Willis right now.

 

But on the flip side...if the Cubs did acquire Willis, the Cubs could solve two problems with one stone. Adding another ML cstarting caliber pitcher, and help settle the pinch hitting holes the Cubs have. Could you imagine having the option to pinch hit either Willis or Zambrano late in the game, over a guy like Izturis or Cedeno?

[Pinktermite]

Willis might not be one of the TOP SP's, but he certainly is in the top tier of pitchers that we might be able to acquire. Who ever said that we had to get one of the best? He's a 20 game winner that isn't even 25 yet, and doesn't have any health problems, I think he would clearly be worth having for Pie and another pitcher or two, or some other combination.

[NorthsideAvenger]

Willis might not be one of the TOP SP's, but he certainly is in the top tier of pitchers that we might be able to acquire. Who ever said that we had to get one of the best? He's a 20 game winner that isn't even 25 yet, and doesn't have any health problems, I think he would clearly be worth having for Pie and another pitcher or two, or some other combination.

 

Willis is just outside of the Top 15 in all of baseball (I'd rank him around 16-18), so he is DEFINATELY NOT WORTH Pie and Murton.

[nilodnayr]

Willis might not be one of the TOP SP's, but he certainly is in the top tier of pitchers that we might be able to acquire. Who ever said that we had to get one of the best? He's a 20 game winner that isn't even 25 yet, and doesn't have any health problems, I think he would clearly be worth having for Pie and another pitcher or two, or some other combination.

 

Why are you using wins to value a pitcher?

[rjchapma]

Hes not like top 5 but I put him in the top 10. there not going to just throw him to us. We would need to deal someone better than Murton with Pie and probbly a young pitcher.

[goonys evil twin]

Hes not like top 5 but I put him in the top 10. there not going to just throw him to us. We would need to deal someone better than Murton with Pie and probbly a young pitcher.

 

He is not in the top ten. The only thing he led the league in this year was hits batsmen. He's an innings eater, but he's far from a great pitcher. There are several better pitchers out there. There is no justification for giving up Murton, Pie and a young pitcher for him.

[Sammy Sofa]

Unless he can be spun off to get ARod. I have little doubt that Yankees would jump on Willis and a reliever for him. They're all about the "name" pitching.

[rjchapma]

you r basing your argument on one year. If you dont remember last year he was in the Cy young race all year. The only reason he didnt win was he was on a bad team. He is a very good pitcher who needs to pitch on a better team now.

[goonys evil twin]

you r basing your argument on one year. If you dont remember last year he was in the Cy young race all year. The only reason he didnt win was he was on a bad team. He is a very good pitcher who needs to pitch on a better team now.

 

Doesn't that just indicate you are basing your argument on one year? I'm basing it on his career. Great pitchers show up on a lot of "top" lists year after year. Willis has not.

[rjchapma]

I completly disagree with what you guys r saying. For some reason you guys r riding high a platoon outfielder and a prospect who we tried to deal in the Tejada deal last year. They wouldnt even take prior and him in the deal and most of you guys still think prior is worth alot. WE(the cubs) Have no pitching on our team he is probably one of the top 3 lefties in baseball. Who else would you put on that list?