Cubs going after star-studded roster

[ManCrushOnNomar]

Found this...

"Something that's never mentioned is that there are still limits to the type of free agents that teams may sign.

 

If there are 14 or less type A and B players available, no team may sign more than 1 type A or B player. If there are 15-38 available A and B players, no team may sign more than 2. From 39-62 this becomes 3. The club quota increases accordingly for higher totals of available free agents. There is no maximum allowed for type C free agents. Lastly, a team can sign up to as many type A and B free agents as they've lost, regardless of the above quota."

 

Soriano and Schmidt could be our two if there are at least 15 Type A-B.

 

Pierre leaving would give us one more. The good thing is that Daisuke would not be subject to that quota if we can land the winning bid.

All the more reason we should go hard after the Dais-man

[Transmogrified Tiger]

If Hendry does really try for these guys is he willing to overpay? He's shown in the past he isn't.

 

What are you basing this on? Lee got a fantatsic deal. Ramirez is well paid. The offer to Furcal was market value (nobody expected the Dodgers to crazy with their offer).

 

Isn't that the point? That Hendry offers fair deals but doesn't go above and beyond with the big contracts he offers(Beltran and Furcal for example)? Sometimes that's good, sometimes it's not so good.

[goonys evil twin]

If Hendry does really try for these guys is he willing to overpay? He's shown in the past he isn't.

 

What are you basing this on? Lee got a fantatsic deal. Ramirez is well paid. The offer to Furcal was market value (nobody expected the Dodgers to crazy with their offer).

 

Isn't that the point? That Hendry offers fair deals but doesn't go above and beyond with the big contracts he offers(Beltran and Furcal for example)? Sometimes that's good, sometimes it's not so good.

 

Plus, those were his own players. It's one thing to negotiate with your own players before they hit free agency, and another to sign other teams' free agents.

[Knyption]

Along with Schmidt and Soriano...

 

I know people have said it a million times but a Murton / young arms package for Dunn would be awesome

[CuseCubFan69]

If Hendry does really try for these guys is he willing to overpay? He's shown in the past he isn't.

 

What are you basing this on? Lee got a fantatsic deal. Ramirez is well paid. The offer to Furcal was market value (nobody expected the Dodgers to crazy with their offer).

 

If he says these guys are in his sights, and news reports show Soriano as his number one target, why disbelieve it? Just out of natural Cubs angst?

 

Others have posted what I was going for. If the Cubs overpayed for Beltran they would have not traded for Pierre and the list goes on. IMO, when you have a talent like that you do what you have to do to get him. What stinks is that this year their are not any impact hitters out there in the free agent field.

[Shavo]

If Hendry does really try for these guys is he willing to overpay? He's shown in the past he isn't.

 

What are you basing this on? Lee got a fantatsic deal. Ramirez is well paid. The offer to Furcal was market value (nobody expected the Dodgers to crazy with their offer).

 

If he says these guys are in his sights, and news reports show Soriano as his number one target, why disbelieve it? Just out of natural Cubs angst?

 

Others have posted what I was going for. If the Cubs overpayed for Beltran they would have not traded for Pierre and the list goes on. IMO, when you have a talent like that you do what you have to do to get him. What stinks is that this year their are not any impact hitters out there in the free agent field.

 

Soriano, Lee.

[goonys evil twin]

If Hendry does really try for these guys is he willing to overpay? He's shown in the past he isn't.

 

What are you basing this on? Lee got a fantatsic deal. Ramirez is well paid. The offer to Furcal was market value (nobody expected the Dodgers to crazy with their offer).

 

If he says these guys are in his sights, and news reports show Soriano as his number one target, why disbelieve it? Just out of natural Cubs angst?

 

Others have posted what I was going for. If the Cubs overpayed for Beltran they would have not traded for Pierre and the list goes on. IMO, when you have a talent like that you do what you have to do to get him. What stinks is that this year their are not any impact hitters out there in the free agent field.

 

Soriano, Lee.

 

Lee isn't much of an impact player. He's more of a secondary guy like Cliff Floyd.

[TheDude]

If Hendry does really try for these guys is he willing to overpay? He's shown in the past he isn't.

 

What are you basing this on? Lee got a fantatsic deal. Ramirez is well paid. The offer to Furcal was market value (nobody expected the Dodgers to crazy with their offer).

 

If he says these guys are in his sights, and news reports show Soriano as his number one target, why disbelieve it? Just out of natural Cubs angst?

 

Others have posted what I was going for. If the Cubs overpayed for Beltran they would have not traded for Pierre and the list goes on. IMO, when you have a talent like that you do what you have to do to get him. What stinks is that this year their are not any impact hitters out there in the free agent field.

 

I don't recall Beltran ever being a Hendry target - he was a fans target, but not a Hendry target. There is a big difference.

 

I don't think it's an accurate criticism to say he isn't willing to pay for the player. The criticize is applicable if it is changed to say Hendry doesn't usually target the big names, because that is often true. The only bigger names he has targeted he has signed, or was sorely outbid and it was good thing. But that sample is very small and mostly in-house. But when he has targeted a name, he has shown diligence in trying to get that name.

 

The difference this offseason, we as fans hope, is that the organization is truthful when it says it is specifically targeting the big names. I think Hendry's ability or inability to sign the big FA is more of an unknown than anything.

[coreyMVP]

I don't want any part of Schmidt.

 

His injury history plus Rothschild = out for the year by June at the latest.

[CuseCubFan69]

If Hendry does really try for these guys is he willing to overpay? He's shown in the past he isn't.

 

What are you basing this on? Lee got a fantatsic deal. Ramirez is well paid. The offer to Furcal was market value (nobody expected the Dodgers to crazy with their offer).

 

If he says these guys are in his sights, and news reports show Soriano as his number one target, why disbelieve it? Just out of natural Cubs angst?

 

Others have posted what I was going for. If the Cubs overpayed for Beltran they would have not traded for Pierre and the list goes on. IMO, when you have a talent like that you do what you have to do to get him. What stinks is that this year their are not any impact hitters out there in the free agent field.

 

I don't recall Beltran ever being a Hendry target - he was a fans target, but not a Hendry target. There is a big difference.

 

I don't think it's an accurate criticism to say he isn't willing to pay for the player. The criticize is applicable if it is changed to say Hendry doesn't usually target the big names, because that is often true. The only bigger names he has targeted he has signed, or was sorely outbid and it was good thing. But that sample is very small and mostly in-house. But when he has targeted a name, he has shown diligence in trying to get that name.

 

The difference this offseason, we as fans hope, is that the organization is truthful when it says it is specifically targeting the big names. I think Hendry's ability or inability to sign the big FA is more of an unknown than anything.

 

Having a talent like Beltran not even on his radar scares me more than under bidding.

[A New Era]

Along with Schmidt and Soriano...

 

I know people have said it a million times but a Murton / young arms package for Dunn would be awesome

 

Why? Just because we have the money to spend. Doesn't mean you should give up one of your best young players who you will be getting a bargain on for the next # of years for an upgrade.

 

Look. Put Soriano in CF and take his 25-40 HR and get stellar pitching and maybe even add another impact bat elsewhere. Or even a very good above average bat elsewhere and you have a very good offense. Keep Murton. He can be part of a really good offense. .

[goonys evil twin]

Along with Schmidt and Soriano...

 

I know people have said it a million times but a Murton / young arms package for Dunn would be awesome

 

Why? Just because we have the money to spend. Doesn't mean you should give up one of your best young players who you will be getting a bargain on for the next # of years for an upgrade.

 

Look. Put Soriano in CF and take his 25-40 HR and get stellar pitching and maybe even add another impact bat elsewhere. Or even a very good above average bat elsewhere and you have a very good offense. Keep Murton. He can be part of a really good offense. .

 

I'd tend to agree here. I think I'd much rather try and keep Murton and improve elsewhere. I'd trade Matt for a stud like Cabrera, but not Dunn.

[David]

If Hendry does really try for these guys is he willing to overpay? He's shown in the past he isn't.

 

What are you basing this on? Lee got a fantatsic deal. Ramirez is well paid. The offer to Furcal was market value (nobody expected the Dodgers to crazy with their offer).

 

If he says these guys are in his sights, and news reports show Soriano as his number one target, why disbelieve it? Just out of natural Cubs angst?

 

Others have posted what I was going for. If the Cubs overpayed for Beltran they would have not traded for Pierre and the list goes on. IMO, when you have a talent like that you do what you have to do to get him. What stinks is that this year their are not any impact hitters out there in the free agent field.

 

I don't recall Beltran ever being a Hendry target - he was a fans target, but not a Hendry target. There is a big difference.

 

I don't think it's an accurate criticism to say he isn't willing to pay for the player. The criticize is applicable if it is changed to say Hendry doesn't usually target the big names, because that is often true. The only bigger names he has targeted he has signed, or was sorely outbid and it was good thing. But that sample is very small and mostly in-house. But when he has targeted a name, he has shown diligence in trying to get that name.

 

The difference this offseason, we as fans hope, is that the organization is truthful when it says it is specifically targeting the big names. I think Hendry's ability or inability to sign the big FA is more of an unknown than anything.

 

 

I suppose if making an offer of 90-95 mil a year qualifies him as not being a Hendry target, then you're right. He didn't make an absurd offer like the Mets, but it was more than a fair offer, no doubt.

[CuseCubFan69]

Along with Schmidt and Soriano...

 

I know people have said it a million times but a Murton / young arms package for Dunn would be awesome

 

Why? Just because we have the money to spend. Doesn't mean you should give up one of your best young players who you will be getting a bargain on for the next # of years for an upgrade.

 

Look. Put Soriano in CF and take his 25-40 HR and get stellar pitching and maybe even add another impact bat elsewhere. Or even a very good above average bat elsewhere and you have a very good offense. Keep Murton. He can be part of a really good offense. .

 

I'd tend to agree here. I think I'd much rather try and keep Murton and improve elsewhere. I'd trade Matt for a stud like Cabrera, but not Dunn.

 

I agree. If the Cubs just add Soriano and Schmidt/Zito and Durham I'd be thrilled.

[CuseCubFan69]

If Hendry does really try for these guys is he willing to overpay? He's shown in the past he isn't.

 

What are you basing this on? Lee got a fantatsic deal. Ramirez is well paid. The offer to Furcal was market value (nobody expected the Dodgers to crazy with their offer).

 

If he says these guys are in his sights, and news reports show Soriano as his number one target, why disbelieve it? Just out of natural Cubs angst?

 

Others have posted what I was going for. If the Cubs overpayed for Beltran they would have not traded for Pierre and the list goes on. IMO, when you have a talent like that you do what you have to do to get him. What stinks is that this year their are not any impact hitters out there in the free agent field.

 

I don't recall Beltran ever being a Hendry target - he was a fans target, but not a Hendry target. There is a big difference.

 

I don't think it's an accurate criticism to say he isn't willing to pay for the player. The criticize is applicable if it is changed to say Hendry doesn't usually target the big names, because that is often true. The only bigger names he has targeted he has signed, or was sorely outbid and it was good thing. But that sample is very small and mostly in-house. But when he has targeted a name, he has shown diligence in trying to get that name.

 

The difference this offseason, we as fans hope, is that the organization is truthful when it says it is specifically targeting the big names. I think Hendry's ability or inability to sign the big FA is more of an unknown than anything.

 

 

I suppose if making an offer of 90-95 mil a year qualifies him as not being a Hendry target, then you're right. He didn't make an absurd offer like the Mets, but it was more than a fair offer, no doubt.

 

The team that made the absurd offer is still playing.

[baseball7897]

If Hendry does really try for these guys is he willing to overpay? He's shown in the past he isn't.

 

What are you basing this on? Lee got a fantatsic deal. Ramirez is well paid. The offer to Furcal was market value (nobody expected the Dodgers to crazy with their offer).

 

If he says these guys are in his sights, and news reports show Soriano as his number one target, why disbelieve it? Just out of natural Cubs angst?

 

Others have posted what I was going for. If the Cubs overpayed for Beltran they would have not traded for Pierre and the list goes on. IMO, when you have a talent like that you do what you have to do to get him. What stinks is that this year their are not any impact hitters out there in the free agent field.

 

I don't recall Beltran ever being a Hendry target - he was a fans target, but not a Hendry target. There is a big difference.

 

I don't think it's an accurate criticism to say he isn't willing to pay for the player. The criticize is applicable if it is changed to say Hendry doesn't usually target the big names, because that is often true. The only bigger names he has targeted he has signed, or was sorely outbid and it was good thing. But that sample is very small and mostly in-house. But when he has targeted a name, he has shown diligence in trying to get that name.

 

The difference this offseason, we as fans hope, is that the organization is truthful when it says it is specifically targeting the big names. I think Hendry's ability or inability to sign the big FA is more of an unknown than anything.

 

 

I suppose if making an offer of 90-95 mil a year qualifies him as not being a Hendry target, then you're right. He didn't make an absurd offer like the Mets, but it was more than a fair offer, no doubt.

 

The team that made the absurd offer is still playing.

 

That absurd team has also surrounding Beltran with good players.

[CuseCubFan69]

If Hendry does really try for these guys is he willing to overpay? He's shown in the past he isn't.

 

What are you basing this on? Lee got a fantatsic deal. Ramirez is well paid. The offer to Furcal was market value (nobody expected the Dodgers to crazy with their offer).

 

If he says these guys are in his sights, and news reports show Soriano as his number one target, why disbelieve it? Just out of natural Cubs angst?

 

Others have posted what I was going for. If the Cubs overpayed for Beltran they would have not traded for Pierre and the list goes on. IMO, when you have a talent like that you do what you have to do to get him. What stinks is that this year their are not any impact hitters out there in the free agent field.

 

I don't recall Beltran ever being a Hendry target - he was a fans target, but not a Hendry target. There is a big difference.

 

I don't think it's an accurate criticism to say he isn't willing to pay for the player. The criticize is applicable if it is changed to say Hendry doesn't usually target the big names, because that is often true. The only bigger names he has targeted he has signed, or was sorely outbid and it was good thing. But that sample is very small and mostly in-house. But when he has targeted a name, he has shown diligence in trying to get that name.

 

The difference this offseason, we as fans hope, is that the organization is truthful when it says it is specifically targeting the big names. I think Hendry's ability or inability to sign the big FA is more of an unknown than anything.

 

 

I suppose if making an offer of 90-95 mil a year qualifies him as not being a Hendry target, then you're right. He didn't make an absurd offer like the Mets, but it was more than a fair offer, no doubt.

 

The team that made the absurd offer is still playing.

 

That absurd team has also surrounding Beltran with good players.

 

By spending money and having a farm team that helps supply talent.

[UK1679666180]

That absurd team has also surrounding Beltran with good players.

 

Wright and Reyes are the core of those good players, who happen to be extremely good and come from within and currently underpaid for their production. Their value allows the Mets to pay FA prices for Beltran and surround him with very good players.

[David]

The team that made the absurd offer is still playing.

 

Who said I was criticizing them? I'm just saying they made a ridiculously high offer. We probably should have made an insane offer ourselves. But to say that he wasn't a target is revisionist history and just isn't true.

Edited October 17, 2006 by David

[CaliforniaRaisin]

That absurd team has also surrounding Beltran with good players.

 

Wright and Reyes are the core of those good players, who happen to be extremely good and come from within and currently underpaid for their production. Their value allows the Mets to pay FA prices for Beltran and surround him with very good players.

 

Exactly.

 

Spend more money on player development too!

[David]

I think people here are misconstruing my usage of the word 'absurd.' I just mean a sick, out of this world offer. I don't mean for it to carry any negative connotation.

[CuseCubFan69]

I suppose if making an offer of 90-95 mil a year qualifies him as not being a Hendry target, then you're right. He didn't make an absurd offer like the Mets, but it was more than a fair offer, no doubt.

 

The team that made the absurd offer is still playing.

 

Who said I was criticizing them? I'm just saying they made a ridiculously high offer. We probably should have. But to say that he wasn't a target just isn't true.

 

IMO dav you make fair offers to players you are going to resign and overpay for talented free agents and someone else wrote that Beltran wasn't a target and I said he should have been.

[UK1679666180]

That absurd team has also surrounding Beltran with good players.

 

Wright and Reyes are the core of those good players, who happen to be extremely good and come from within and currently underpaid for their production. Their value allows the Mets to pay FA prices for Beltran and surround him with very good players.

 

Exactly.

 

Spend more money on player development too!

 

Whatever it takes to do it from within, do it. They won't win without improving from within 1st.

[TheDude]

But to say that he wasn't a target is revisionist history and just isn't true.

 

I don't recall any speculation that Hendry was interested in Beltran for the number of years he was asking at the time he was a free agent. He was never a strong target of the Cubs organization that year. I don't get where the 'revisionist history' part comes in.

[CuseCubFan69]

That absurd team has also surrounding Beltran with good players.

 

Wright and Reyes are the core of those good players, who happen to be extremely good and come from within and currently underpaid for their production. Their value allows the Mets to pay FA prices for Beltran and surround him with very good players.

 

Exactly.

 

Spend more money on player development too!

 

Whatever it takes to do it from within, do it. They won't win without improving from within 1st.

 

So it's true that you must love yourself before you can truely be loved?