College Basketball 2006-2007

[BleedCubbieBlue81]

And just for the record, the big ten will not get 2 number 1 seeds. If they do, I'll eat crow, but there is no way they deserve it. Ohio State hasn't really beaten anyone good enough to deserve a number 1 seed. They're biggest win was against the #20 team in the country. Every other power conference has at least one, in some cases two teams I'd put ahead of OSU come tourney time.

[BleedCubbieBlue81]

Someone brought up the point of Illinois' quality losses. What hurts them, is many of those losses came to bubble teams. Yeah, they look decent on a resume, until you put that resume up against the other bubble teams. If I'm trying to decide between team A and team B with similar resumes, yet team A beat team B, I think we know who's getting in.

We still have to take care of buisness first anyways. That Penn State game is a match up nightmare for us. Then we have to play Iowa there for their senior night. We do have a week to prep for it though, and we have won 2 of 3 from them there. That said I want to win at PSU just in case. Then we need to win a game at least in the BTT to eliminate ourselves from the bubble. We need 2 of 3.

 

I think Illinois will make it, but they're going to need help. Teams like Butler and Memphis need to win their conferences. And Illnois better hope that lower seeded teams in the Big East and ACC don't go far in their conference tourneys. Cause those two conferences are going to just gobble up tourney bids either way. But if you add some of these lower bubble teams in there, they could take over half the bracket.

[snoodmonger]

The idea that the B10 might get two 1-seeds is laughable. OSU, in particular, has one decent win--at Tenn. If they beat Wiscy, they have a better claim, but so far they've lost every game against top competition.

Who are your ones then? Please say Kansas.

 

well, KU has a better resume than OSU. But I'd go Fla, UCLA, UNC, Wiscy. aTm or KU have a chance if they win out and one of those teams really stumbles.

[BleedCubbieBlue81]

The idea that the B10 might get two 1-seeds is laughable. OSU, in particular, has one decent win--at Tenn. If they beat Wiscy, they have a better claim, but so far they've lost every game against top competition.

Who are your ones then? Please say Kansas.

 

well, KU has a better resume than OSU. But I'd go Fla, UCLA, UNC, Wiscy. aTm or KU have a chance if they win out and one of those teams really stumbles.

Those are my four right now too. But there are a couple of teams that could slide in if UNC or Wisc loses their conference tourney. Pitt, if they won the Big East Tourney would have an outside shot, and Kansas, who has already beaten a number 1 team this year when they beat Florida would have a shot. A team I think will do some serious damage, and could possibly sneak into a number 1 slot (with A LOT of help), would be Georgetown. They are probably the hottest team in the country right now.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

The idea that the B10 might get two 1-seeds is laughable. OSU, in particular, has one decent win--at Tenn. If they beat Wiscy, they have a better claim, but so far they've lost every game against top competition.

Who are your ones then? Please say Kansas.

 

well, KU has a better resume than OSU. But I'd go Fla, UCLA, UNC, Wiscy. aTm or KU have a chance if they win out and one of those teams really stumbles.

 

I completely agree with you in regards to Ohio State and your 1-seeds. I just want UCLA to stay here in the west in Sacramento and San Jose.

 

UCLA vs. Cal at Pauley tonight...

[Andy]

Here is the ludicrousness of the RPI in action.

 

Right now ND's RPI is 44. Fine. They played a terrible OOC schedule and their Big East schedule is less than impressive too. Our SOS is currently ranked 114.

 

But, if you subbed out ND's weakest two opponents (Winston-Salem St. - RPI 300 and The Citadel - RPI 308) for North Carolina A&T - RPI 302 and Morgan State - RPI 307:

 

Our SOS rank would go from 114 to 102.

 

Our RPI rating would go from 44 to 32.

 

When your own ranking system seemingly ignores itself when it's calculated, what's that say?

[illiniguy]

The idea that the B10 might get two 1-seeds is laughable. OSU, in particular, has one decent win--at Tenn. If they beat Wiscy, they have a better claim, but so far they've lost every game against top competition.

Who are your ones then? Please say Kansas.

 

well, KU has a better resume than OSU. But I'd go Fla, UCLA, UNC, Wiscy. aTm or KU have a chance if they win out and one of those teams really stumbles.

I think the two upsets the past two years will play a factor in KU's seeding. It shouldn't but I bet it does. I go OSU(Lost to four of the best teams in America on there floors and half without Oden), Florida, UCLA, and UNC

[snoodmonger]

The idea that the B10 might get two 1-seeds is laughable. OSU, in particular, has one decent win--at Tenn. If they beat Wiscy, they have a better claim, but so far they've lost every game against top competition.

Who are your ones then? Please say Kansas.

 

well, KU has a better resume than OSU. But I'd go Fla, UCLA, UNC, Wiscy. aTm or KU have a chance if they win out and one of those teams really stumbles.

I think the two upsets the past two years will play a factor in KU's seeding. It shouldn't but I bet it does. I go OSU(Lost to four of the best teams in America on there floors and half without Oden), Florida, UCLA, and UNC

 

 

losing to good teams shouldn't hurt you too much, but it certainly shouldn't ADD to your resume, either. They've beaten no one of real consequence, aside from a good but not great tennessee team. And they got destroyed by FLA. I might feel differently if that game had been even close.

[illiniguy]

The idea that the B10 might get two 1-seeds is laughable. OSU, in particular, has one decent win--at Tenn. If they beat Wiscy, they have a better claim, but so far they've lost every game against top competition.

Who are your ones then? Please say Kansas.

 

well, KU has a better resume than OSU. But I'd go Fla, UCLA, UNC, Wiscy. aTm or KU have a chance if they win out and one of those teams really stumbles.

I think the two upsets the past two years will play a factor in KU's seeding. It shouldn't but I bet it does. I go OSU(Lost to four of the best teams in America on there floors and half without Oden), Florida, UCLA, and UNC

 

 

losing to good teams shouldn't hurt you too much, but it certainly shouldn't ADD to your resume, either. They've beaten no one of real consequence, aside from a good but not great tennessee team. And they got destroyed by FLA. I might feel differently if that game had been even close.

Yeah but they might have two more cracks at Wisky. I think they beat them this weekend at home. Then probably again in the BTT.

[TruffleShuffle]

Winthrop, Drexel, Akron, BYU, Creighton, Appalachian St, are you kidding me? They are all ranked ahead of us, way ahead.

 

Winthrop has only lost to UNC (by 7), Wisconsin (in overtime), aTm and Maryland. They're better than Illinois. BYU is 5-3 against top 50 RPI teams, and BYU is 3-3, whereas Illinois is 3-8. Just because these schools don't play in the Big Six conferences doesn't mean they're worse than Illinois.

 

I think OSU, Wisconsin, Indiana and Moo all have better resumes than Illinois. I do think Illinois should get in, but they'll have to be nervous about the fates of some teams like Nevada, Winthrop, Butler and Memphis that are probably in even if they lose in their conference tourneys.

 

Haha...Syracuse is one spot ahead of Holy Cross!

 

Good luck in the NIT... hopefully you get a chance to play Bucknell :wink:

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Does anybody actually have ESPNU? We had it in our sports package down at schoo, but that's the only way I know of anybody getting it.

 

DirecTV channel 609

 

Nice, I didn't know I got ESPNU.

[Derwood]

Does anybody actually have ESPNU? We had it in our sports package down at schoo, but that's the only way I know of anybody getting it.

 

DirecTV channel 609

 

Nice, I didn't know I got ESPNU.

 

you must be paying for it because I don't get it

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Does anybody actually have ESPNU? We had it in our sports package down at schoo, but that's the only way I know of anybody getting it.

 

DirecTV channel 609

 

Nice, I didn't know I got ESPNU.

 

you must be paying for it because I don't get it

 

Nah, we don't pay for it (huzzah for my mom for getting the sports and movie package for free thanks to her work). :D

[CaliforniaRaisin]

UCLA up 35-34 at the half against Cal. Lorenzo Mata (31% FT shooter) is 6 for his last 6!

 

Amusing exchange between the announcers:

 

Roberts: He's [some Cal player] not going to give you much on offense but he's a great guy to have on your team.

MacLean: Is that like saying a girl has a great personality?

[Andy]

Well, Ball State continues their reign of suckiness with a 61-59 loss to Central Michigan at home. They totally botched the final play...big shock.

[dalgreen]

Look at our 9 losses. At Xavier(They are 16-1 at home). At home to Maryland(They are 1 of only 3 ACC teams with a winning road record). At home to Ohio St. & Wisky(Aren't they #1 & #2 in the country?) At Indiana(Hoosiers are undefeated at home). At Mich. St.(They are 18-1 at home). At Purdue(They are 16-1 at home). At Mich.(They are 16-2 at home). At Arizona. If there is such a thing as quality losses, this is it. We are like fiftieth in the polls, that's ridiculous! Winthrop, Drexel, Akron, BYU, Creighton, Appalachian St, are you kidding me? They are all ranked ahead of us, way ahead.

 

We should be in. Thanks UIloyalfan

 

Honestly, I don't care if we get in or not. This is the first team I've actually disliked and I've been following Illinois basketball since 1979. Based off of teams in the past with resumes like Illinois, the committee has let them in but usually gives them a 10-12 seed. Regardless, we are a one and done team. My expectations of Illinois basketball is much, much higher than that. It still blows my mind after blowing huge leads at Arizona and Michigan State, they still found a way to blow a late lead at Indiana knowing that win would've likely cinched an NCAA berth.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Washington loses to Oregon Freaking State. Stick a fork in them. I know the guard play has been bad (especially Dentmon and Oliver), but this has been a dissapointing season for U-Dub.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

UCLA wins 85-75 (it was a bigger lead until the walk-ons blew it against Cal's walk-ons).

 

Mata went 8/9 in FTs :shock: (again, shooting 31% on the season). Shipp had a huge game again (22 points), it looks like he and Mbah a Moute are completely healthy at the right time.

 

Up next, Stanford at Pauley (revenge!) and then the showdown against Wazzou in Pullman, Washington.

 

ETA: Oregon beats WSU so UCLA now has a 2-game lead on WSU with 3 games left in the conference.

[SouthSideRyan]

UCLA wins 85-75 (it was a bigger lead until the walk-ons blew it against Cal's walk-ons).

 

Mata went 8/9 in FTs :shock: (again, shooting 31% on the season). Shipp had a huge game again (22 points), it looks like he and Mbah a Moute are completely healthy at the right time.

 

Up next, Stanford at Pauley (revenge!) and then the showdown against Wazzou in Pullman, Washington.

 

ETA: Oregon beats WSU so UCLA now has a 2-game lead on WSU with 3 games left in the conference.

 

Well there goes my hopes of a FT contest between Shaun Pruitt and Mata to pull of the 2nd round upset of you guys.

[SouthSideRyan]

Stanford still looks okayish at 17-9 but I wouldn't tempt fate if I were them coming away with only 1 of the last 3.(At UCLA vs. Zona, vs. ASU) That very possible scenario leaves them at 18-11 entering the Pac 10 tourney, and probably needing a first round win to feel safe. USC looks in good shape despite the terrible loss to ASU. The RPI is sketchy at 58, but splitting vs. Cal and at fading Washington puts them at 21 wins and a likely 3rd place finish in the Pac 10. That should be pretty much a lock.

 

Butler lost its chance at a top 4 seed tonight losing to its 3rd team with an RPI in the 100s.(Possibly 4th depending on how far Wright St. drops after losing to Youngstown St.

 

Other than that you've got Oregon locking a bid, Washington and Cal locking an NIT(maybe nothing for Cal), and Clemson continuing its freefall.(2-8 since starting 17-0 with trips to VA Tech and BC left on its schedule)

[CaliforniaRaisin]

UCLA wins 85-75 (it was a bigger lead until the walk-ons blew it against Cal's walk-ons).

 

Mata went 8/9 in FTs :shock: (again, shooting 31% on the season). Shipp had a huge game again (22 points), it looks like he and Mbah a Moute are completely healthy at the right time.

 

Up next, Stanford at Pauley (revenge!) and then the showdown against Wazzou in Pullman, Washington.

 

ETA: Oregon beats WSU so UCLA now has a 2-game lead on WSU with 3 games left in the conference.

 

Well there goes my hopes of a FT contest between Shaun Pruitt and Mata to pull of the 2nd round upset of you guys.

 

You think Illinois is going to be an 8-9 seed?

Edited February 23, 2007 by CaliforniaRaisin

[SouthSideRyan]

UCLA wins 85-75 (it was a bigger lead until the walk-ons blew it against Cal's walk-ons).

 

Mata went 8/9 in FTs :shock: (again, shooting 31% on the season). Shipp had a huge game again (22 points), it looks like he and Mbah a Moute are completely healthy at the right time.

 

Up next, Stanford at Pauley (revenge!) and then the showdown against Wazzou in Pullman, Washington.

 

ETA: Oregon beats WSU so UCLA now has a 2-game lead on WSU with 3 games left in the conference.

 

Well there goes my hopes of a FT contest between Shaun Pruitt and Mata to pull of the 2nd round upset of you guys.

 

You think Illinois is going to be an 8-9 seed?

 

Winning until a loss to OSU/Wisky in the tourney might do it. The RPI shot up to 32 today. Not what I'd call likely, but possible.

[soccer10k]

The idea that the B10 might get two 1-seeds is laughable. OSU, in particular, has one decent win--at Tenn. If they beat Wiscy, they have a better claim, but so far they've lost every game against top competition.

Who are your ones then? Please say Kansas.

 

well, KU has a better resume than OSU. But I'd go Fla, UCLA, UNC, Wiscy. aTm or KU have a chance if they win out and one of those teams really stumbles.

Those are my four right now too. But there are a couple of teams that could slide in if UNC or Wisc loses their conference tourney. Pitt, if they won the Big East Tourney would have an outside shot, and Kansas, who has already beaten a number 1 team this year when they beat Florida would have a shot. A team I think will do some serious damage, and could possibly sneak into a number 1 slot (with A LOT of help), would be Georgetown. They are probably the hottest team in the country right now.

 

I would think that UCLA, UNC, and Florida are all but locks right now barring a collapse down the stretch or an early exit in the conference tourney. UNC is probably the most likely of those to drop since they have 4 losses while the other two have 3. And right now I would give Wisconsin the fourth over OSU because of the head to head victory for the Badgers but that could change on Sunday. If Wisconsin wins that though I would think they will lock up a #1 seed.

[snoodmonger]

Interesting article in the KC star today. If KU wins the Big XII this year, it will be its 50th conference title in 100 years of conference affiliation. Pretty amazing stat. Edited February 23, 2007 by snoodmonger

[illiniguy]

Interesting article in the KC star today. If KU wins the Big XII this year, it will be it's 50th conference title in 100 years of conference affiliation. Pretty amazing stat.

I saw it too. Do you think it is more amazing because no other conference team has been able to rise up and challenge them? I mean sure 1/2 is awesome, but how does not one school at lesat get in the neighborhood?