Week 6: Bears @ Arizona - Monday, Oct. 16th, 7:30 pm CT

[Guest]

I don't think Rivera was too happy from Urlacher's postgame comments. Hopefully Grossman is embarassed enough to get to work on his mechanics and realize he is not peyton manning.

[TB_11]

And I want Grossman in the video room every day.

 

His poor-decision making was only matched by his poor throwing. Passes were consistently over or under-thrown. He needs significant time in the video room and on the field to work on his mechanics.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I don't think Rivera was too happy from Urlacher's postgame comments. Hopefully Grossman is embarassed enough to get to work on his mechanics and realize he is not peyton manning.

 

Whad did Urlacher say?

 

Grossman seemed to think the next two weeks would be spent addressing his poor play in the video room.

[TB_11]

As cocky as the Bears appear in public, hopefully they realize that they haven't been as dominating as other 6-0 teams have been. They destroyed a great Seattle team, but aside from that they've beaten up the Packers (currently 1-4), the Lions (1-5), and Buffalo (2-4), and struggled to get wins on the road against Minnesota and Arizona.

 

If the team is as cocky behind the scenes as they have been in public hopefully they received a gut check with this game.

[TruffleShuffle]

I will say that I am not a huge fan of Grossman, for reasons that he showed last night. With the salary cap and so much player movement, there is a lot of parity in the NFL, and turnovers so often decide the outcome of games. Look at the guys who have won the Super Bowl the past six years - Brady three times, Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer and Ben Roethlisberger. Not guys who put up real big offensive numbers or take big chances, but guys who manage a game well and make the safe plays. I just don't think that Grossman is that type of quarterback. He's more in the Brett Favre mold, which I don't think is the most effective strategy this day in age.

[goonys evil twin]

I will say that I am not a huge fan of Grossman,

 

Gee, really? Hadn't heard.

[TruffleShuffle]

I will say that I am not a huge fan of Grossman,

 

Gee, really? Hadn't heard.

 

Hey, at least I justified it with what I think is logical reasoning. Feel free to disagree.

[cubweiser03]

I dont agree that the Cardinals changed their game plan. Leinart at the begining was the recipient of great field position and Q Boldin was his main target. I dont remember Leinart throwin more than one deep ball ball. They did find some soft zones in the middle of the field but thats also dangerous to keep going there with a rookie Qb. The playcalling and playbook wasn't anything fancy. They started simple and kept it simple. They couldnt run the ball worth a damn and credit the Bears for that. If they were going to rely on Leinart passing downfield more he would of been picked off and probably sacked more.

 

If they could of run the ball like an average NFL team they would of won easily. The only way they could move the ball is by passing and they werent doing anything differently at the end than what they were doing at the beginning. Its not like Leinart was ever dominating them at the beginning, the first drive was nice but that was dink and dunk city. Leinarts intermediate passing ability was always in question, i still dont think he answered that last night.

 

And i dont like the team of destiny BS. Let the media say that, it shouldnt come from within.

[goonys evil twin]

I will say that I am not a huge fan of Grossman,

 

Gee, really? Hadn't heard.

 

Hey, at least I justified it with what I think is logical reasoning. Feel free to disagree.

 

Brady makes plenty of big plays and puts up plenty of offensive weapons. He takes chances, and executes.

[soccer10k]

I dont agree that the Cardinals changed their game plan. Leinart at the begining was the recipient of great field position and Q Boldin was his main target. I dont remember Leinart throwin more than one deep ball ball. They did find some soft zones in the middle of the field but thats also dangerous to keep going there with a rookie Qb. The playcalling and playbook wasn't anything fancy. They started simple and kept it simple. They couldnt run the ball worth a damn and credit the Bears for that. If they were going to rely on Leinart passing downfield more he would of been picked off and probably sacked more.

 

If they could of run the ball like an average NFL team they would of won easily. The only way they could move the ball is by passing and they werent doing anything differently at the end than what they were doing at the beginning. Its not like Leinart was ever dominating them at the beginning, the first drive was nice but that was dink and dunk city. Leinarts intermediate passing ability was always in question, i still dont think he answered that last night.

 

And i dont like the team of destiny BS. Let the media say that, it shouldnt come from within.

 

Leinart dinking and dunking the ball was far more effective than Edge running the ball. They should have realized that Edge couldn't run the ball against the Bears D yet they still ran the ball 36 times with Edge. Why? Leinart threw 42 passes, averaged 5.5 yards per attempt (almost 10 yards per completion) and threw no picks on the day. Throwing the ball was obviously the better option for the Cards.

 

EDIT: At the end of the game after getting 2nd and 3 after a 7 yd completetion to the Bears 24 (thank you ESPN play-by-play) the Cardinals ran the ball twice with edge seemingly just to set up the field goal yet they still had 2 timeouts left. Why not try to pick up the first down with a quick pass? The Cards lost this game.

Edited October 17, 2006 by soccer10k

[cubs121]

can some one please tell me what Urlacher said in his post game comments?

 

thanks

[Jon]

I dont agree that the Cardinals changed their game plan. Leinart at the begining was the recipient of great field position and Q Boldin was his main target. I dont remember Leinart throwin more than one deep ball ball. They did find some soft zones in the middle of the field but thats also dangerous to keep going there with a rookie Qb. The playcalling and playbook wasn't anything fancy. They started simple and kept it simple. They couldnt run the ball worth a damn and credit the Bears for that. If they were going to rely on Leinart passing downfield more he would of been picked off and probably sacked more.

 

If they could of run the ball like an average NFL team they would of won easily. The only way they could move the ball is by passing and they werent doing anything differently at the end than what they were doing at the beginning. Its not like Leinart was ever dominating them at the beginning, the first drive was nice but that was dink and dunk city. Leinarts intermediate passing ability was always in question, i still dont think he answered that last night.

 

And i dont like the team of destiny BS. Let the media say that, it shouldnt come from within.

Yeah. There was a lot of talk about them going conservative, but they didn't stretch the field vertically all night. Passing over the middle of the field worked well for them to move the chains, but their success early on came on the ground and a lot of short passes with plenty of yards after the catch, which were partly a result of horrible tackling routes and a very ineffective linebacker corps.

[Banedon]

I will say that I am not a huge fan of Grossman,

 

Gee, really? Hadn't heard.

 

Hey, at least I justified it with what I think is logical reasoning. Feel free to disagree.

 

Rich Hill pitched pretty bad for a while before showing what he could do. Rex has had some brilliant play and some terrible play. If Grossman played every time like he did tonight, well then you obviously have a case, but before tonight I think he only had 3 INT's. It was a bad game.

[TruffleShuffle]

I will say that I am not a huge fan of Grossman,

 

Gee, really? Hadn't heard.

 

Hey, at least I justified it with what I think is logical reasoning. Feel free to disagree.

 

Brady makes plenty of big plays and puts up plenty of offensive weapons. He takes chances, and executes.

 

He doesn't take many chances. The Patriots are a ball-control offense predicated mostly on the short pass. He will go deep sometimes, but doesn't often try to squeeze the ball into small openings the way that Favre has always done. Brady's career high in interceptions is 14 - Favre has thrown more picks than that in all but four years of his career.

[TruffleShuffle]

I will say that I am not a huge fan of Grossman,

 

Gee, really? Hadn't heard.

 

Hey, at least I justified it with what I think is logical reasoning. Feel free to disagree.

 

Rich Hill pitched pretty bad for a while before showing what he could do. Rex has had some brilliant play and some terrible play. If Grossman played every time like he did tonight, well then you obviously have a case, but before tonight I think he only had 3 INT's. It was a bad game.

 

You're not hearing my point. It has nothing to do with whether Grossman is a good or a bad quarterback. It's the style that he plays - he's a Steve Spurrier disciple, and Spurrier is not exactly known for playing a ball-control, mistake-free style of football. Grossman even threw 17 picks his junior year at Florida.

 

Rex may very well be a good NFL quarterback - Brett Favre was obviously a great one. I just don't think that that style is the best one to have. Good teams have too much talent and too many schemes to be run over by a gunslinger.

[TruffleShuffle]

can some one please tell me what Urlacher said in his post game comments?

 

thanks

 

"We know you're running," Bears linebacker Brian Urlacher said to James midway through the game, after one of James' many carries that resulted in no gain. "It's going to kill your average."

 

That's about as much of an indictment of Denny Green as anything I've seen. Yeah, their offensive line sucks, but when your offensive is so predictable that the defense knows you're going to run the ball midway through the game, you're not calling the plays correctly.

[USSoccer]

I will say that I am not a huge fan of Grossman,

 

Gee, really? Hadn't heard.

 

Hey, at least I justified it with what I think is logical reasoning. Feel free to disagree.

 

Rich Hill pitched pretty bad for a while before showing what he could do. Rex has had some brilliant play and some terrible play. If Grossman played every time like he did tonight, well then you obviously have a case, but before tonight I think he only had 3 INT's. It was a bad game.

 

I think to some degree Turner and Rex panicked. Turner abandoned the run completely after 14-0, and Grossman tried to throw a 14 point TD pass nearly every throw in the 2nd half. He didn't check down, and started staring down his recievers.

 

I think it can be corrected. He's still a work in progress. 2 weeks of film and practice will help.

[USSoccer]

I will say that I am not a huge fan of Grossman,

 

Gee, really? Hadn't heard.

 

Hey, at least I justified it with what I think is logical reasoning. Feel free to disagree.

 

Rich Hill pitched pretty bad for a while before showing what he could do. Rex has had some brilliant play and some terrible play. If Grossman played every time like he did tonight, well then you obviously have a case, but before tonight I think he only had 3 INT's. It was a bad game.

 

I think to some degree Turner and Rex panicked. Turner abandoned the run completely after 14-0, and Grossman tried to throw a 14 point TD pass nearly every throw in the 2nd half. He didn't check down, and started staring down his recievers.

 

I think it can be corrected. He's still a work in progress. 2 weeks of film and practice will help.

[Jon]

Sure the gameplan and execution sucked, but I've got faith they'll use these two weeks to correct those mistakes. They bounced back from a bad game against Minnesota pretty well, after all.

[goonys evil twin]

I will say that I am not a huge fan of Grossman,

 

Gee, really? Hadn't heard.

 

Hey, at least I justified it with what I think is logical reasoning. Feel free to disagree.

 

Brady makes plenty of big plays and puts up plenty of offensive weapons. He takes chances, and executes.

 

He doesn't take many chances. The Patriots are a ball-control offense predicated mostly on the short pass. He will go deep sometimes, but doesn't often try to squeeze the ball into small openings the way that Favre has always done. Brady's career high in interceptions is 14 - Favre has thrown more picks than that in all but four years of his career.

 

 

Throwing deep to Berrian when he has a couple steps on the corner is not really taking a chance. Either BB catches up to it or not. Grossman was mostly throwing 15 yard passes to open receivers to start the year. He'd take one or two really risky throws, but last night was the first time he just started chucking like a maniac.

[goonys evil twin]

CROWN THEIR ASS!!!!!!!!!!!

[Soul]

CROWN THEIR ASS!!!!!!!!!!!

 

LOL, otherwise known as "OH CRAP, I'M FIRED!!" 8)

[Soul]

Sure the gameplan and execution sucked, but I've got faith they'll use these two weeks to correct those mistakes. They bounced back from a bad game against Minnesota pretty well, after all.

 

I just don't know why they kept throwing deep balls into double coverage. They needed to settle down a bit with some control throws. Obviously it's hard to know if it was all Rex, or all Turner, or a combination of both, but I've got to say it looked like those were just alot of designed longer routes being run.

 

When your QB struggles, you've got to find a way to get him back into rhythm. We didn't do that last night, and that was disappointing.

 

Also, the Mike Brown injury......he could be finished.........with basically no quality depth to sub for him now (although I must say Todd Johnson looked good last night).

[Jon]

The Cardinals promoted their QB coach to offensive coordinator, according to the ESPN ticker. The role of the former offensive coordinator is uncertain.

[Jon]

Well, now they're saying he was canned. A little surprising considering their offense made the Bears' defense look silly for the first quarter.