10/3 WGN radio: McDonough & Girardi - 7:15pm CT

[CubinNY]

I fail to see how "Dusty" is an insulting name.

 

Have you seen him manage?

 

I'm here all week folks.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

But I have been here long enough to know that if you keep ignoring their warnings....... well... just do want you want to do.

 

Fred might drive to your state!!

[CaliforniaRaisin]

. You've been asked by two moderators to stop giving insulting names to those working for the Cubs. This is a rule of NSBB. No one is asking you to start having an optimistic attitude.

 

I didn't see that outlined in the link in your sig. Maybe I missed it.

 

I have also seen quite a few "Dumpster" "Jockstrap" "Dusty"

references on this board and not just from me.

 

The link in my sig is not the be-all, end-all of rules. Those nicknames are frowned up also (though most commonly seen in game threads, where these rules are less strictly enforced because people get upset in the heat of the moment in games). And I fail to see how "Dusty" is an insulting name.

He probably wrote Dust Bag in quotes.

 

The word censor doesn't work when you quote someone using a censored word - but when I quote, I still see "Dusty."

[Soriano12]

I'm starting to see why he values Girardi's insubordination so much.

 

:lol:

 

Girardi is now an "insubordinate"?

 

That spin machine out of south beach is amazing.

 

They got Kathleen Harris working for them?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'm starting to see why he values Girardi's insubordination so much.

 

:lol:

 

Girardi is now an "insubordinate"?

 

That spin machine out of south beach is amazing.

 

They got Kathleen Harris working for them?

 

I don't know where you work, but if I told my boss to shut-up, yes I'd be written up for insubordination.

 

Didn't you say that Girardi told Loria to screw off? If so, that's insubordination.

 

Maybe Fred should comment on reading comprehension again.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Katherine Harris?

[A New Era]

Katherine Harris?

 

You mean Katherine Hairdummy? :lol:

[Chris]

Katherine Harris?

 

http://lonewacko.com/images/katherine-harris-horse.jpg

 

ha ha

[Soriano12]

 

Didn't you say that Girardi told Loria to screw off?

 

Sometimes it is hard to convey these things online:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongue-in-cheek

 

I don't know what he said to be honest. I wasn't there in the stands. Heck only 3 people might have been there.

 

He could have said...Hey Loria shut the explictive up.

 

He could have said. Mr. Loria, I'm trying to set an example to my young players regarding argunments with the umpires. I understand your mad, but I just don't want them to think it is ok. Do you see my point.

 

 

My money is on a comment somewhere in the middle.

[Soriano12]

Also I never heard Girardi having issues with the Boss.

Of course bench coach is kinda of a under the radar job.

 

Then again I hear Steinbrenner chews out the hotdog vendors.

[VanceJergins]

 

Didn't you say that Girardi told Loria to screw off?

 

Sometimes it is hard to convey these things online:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongue-in-cheek

 

I don't know what he said to be honest. I wasn't there in the stands. Heck only 3 people might have been there.

 

He could have said...Hey Loria shut the explictive up.

 

He could have said. Mr. Loria, I'm trying to set an example to my young players regarding argunments with the umpires. I understand your mad, but I just don't want them to think it is ok. Do you see my point.

 

 

My money is on a comment somewhere in the middle.

 

I think the main problem was that he did it publicly. I'm not opposed to Girardi, but he's not perfect. What he did with Loria was most likely not the best way to handle the situation. You can admit he made a mistake and still want him as manager.

[VanceJergins]

I fail to see how "Dusty" is an insulting name.

 

Have you seen him manage?

 

I'm here all week folks.

 

Zzzzzzzzzing!

[SouthSideRyan]

McDonough has been great in his previous job with the Cubs, he made profits everywhere, and obviously hasn't turned off very many fans with the way he's done it. Why doesn't he deserve a promotion?

[RichHillIsABeast]

In ST Hendry was sitting behind home plate giving the ump a bad time. I thought it was hilarious. Girardi had better have a good backstory to relate come interview time. It very easily could have just been the straw that broke the camel's back for Girardi. We don't know the full story and I doubt we ever will.

 

Hendry will at least hear Girardi out, which is encouraging considering Hendry's close ties to the Marlins FO.

[Laura]

McDonough has been great in his previous job with the Cubs, he made profits everywhere, and obviously hasn't turned off very many fans with the way he's done it. Why doesn't he deserve a promotion?

 

I'm not as concerned about his background because, as UK and others have pointed out, one does not need to be a successful baseball type to be a successful team president. I agree that he has been very successful.

 

I am somewhat concerned that it's an in-house promotion and that, well, they didn't seem to look very hard or very far to find a replacement. One thing I was waiting to hear from FitzSimons was the case for why McDonough was the best person for the job. I didn't hear him even address it.

 

I could understand if they said they very quietly vetted candidates and decided that McDonough was the best. But in this situation, he comes across as the default guy, not the best guy. That's not fair to him, but it's the way it is.

 

I like what McDonough has said so far. I really hope he can make some changes. It's just a strange situation when he says there's a sense of urgency to win a World Series but there's no real tangible changes (yes, I know it's only been 2 days). It still seems like an organization that's drifting.

[Connor McConnor]

It still seems like an organization that's drifting.

 

Bingo. You are exactly right. This team needs a serious shake up....like when Dallas Green/Jim Fry came in. Something big. Moves like promoting the marketing guy to be President....is like making the Cruise Director Captain of the ship. It's very small time, and likely to end in disaster.

 

Not that disaster really even matters anymore.....after 2003....this year....all the other years....honestly.....how could it get any worse?

 

Very hard to be optimistic about things.

[jmajew]

First off, I'd like to apologize for my little rant earlier. I just see no reason to keep bashing someone over and over again. Say your piece and don't keep harping on it, in the same thread over and over and over again. I hate name calling it just makes people look ignorant. IF you want to make a critique, lay out facts and actually make an argument people will take you more seriously. Most people on this board do this, and it is what makes it so respected and it is why guys like Bruce Miles read it. Lets try to keep it that way.

 

The point about screwing the fans with the whole scalping issue from our standpoint looks shady. But you have to admit in the business sense it was a shrewd move. He made more money for the team and that was his goal. If he can use that kind of ingenuity as President to help us win a world series I'd have no problem with it. It is proof that he can think out of the box.

 

Just as a side note, McDonough would not have been my choice for President, but he is so we have to hope for the best.

[dalgreen]

It still seems like an organization that's drifting.

 

Bingo. You are exactly right. This team needs a serious shake up....like when Dallas Green/Jim Fry came in. Something big. Moves like promoting the marketing guy to be President....is like making the Cruise Director Captain of the ship. It's very small time, and likely to end in disaster.

 

Not that disaster really even matters anymore.....after 2003....this year....all the other years....honestly.....how could it get any worse?

 

Very hard to be optimistic about things.

 

I'm beginning to think some on here are talking about a subject they really know nothing about. The president of a baseball/football/hockey/basketball team primary responsibility is not on the field stuff, but off the field(business)stuff. Again, if a president hires the "right" baseball operations guys then the president doesn't have to know much on the field stuff. Andy MacPhail was bad because he didn't hire good people. The president's major role is more of the business side than the operational side.

[C.C.]

It still seems like an organization that's drifting.

 

Bingo. You are exactly right. This team needs a serious shake up....like when Dallas Green/Jim Fry came in. Something big. Moves like promoting the marketing guy to be President....is like making the Cruise Director Captain of the ship. It's very small time, and likely to end in disaster.

 

Not that disaster really even matters anymore.....after 2003....this year....all the other years....honestly.....how could it get any worse?

 

Very hard to be optimistic about things.

 

I'm beginning to think some on here are talking about a subject they really know nothing about. The president of a baseball/football/hockey/basketball team primary responsibility is not on the field stuff, but off the field(business)stuff. Again, if a president hires the "right" baseball operations guys then the president doesn't have to know much on the field stuff. Andy MacPhail was bad because he didn't hire good people. The president's major role is more of the business side than the operational side.

 

I don't see what the big deal is with John McDonough as prez? Think of it this way, in the entire Cubs Organzation he is the only one that actually does his job, and does it very well. I like the fact that's he's hungry and wants to win. He's has no lorals to sit on (like MacPhail) and wants to prove himself. Nothing wrong with that. Let's see how he does.

[Soriano12]

he's hungry and wants to win

 

Maybe he is, or maybe its just an act.

 

He is a salesman first and foremost. Let's not forget that.

 

At this point I have 0 trust for anyone associated with the Tribune compnay

[SouthSideRyan]

he's hungry and wants to win

 

Maybe he is, or maybe its just an act.

 

He is a salesman first and foremost. Let's not forget that.

 

At this point I have 0 trust for anyone associated with the Tribune compnay

 

So a marketing exec from another team would've been a better choice?

[Soriano12]

he's hungry and wants to win

 

Maybe he is, or maybe its just an act.

 

He is a salesman first and foremost. Let's not forget that.

 

At this point I have 0 trust for anyone associated with the Tribune compnay

 

So a marketing exec from another team would've been a better choice?

 

Someone that didn't have the stink of the Tribune company, is what I

would have peferered.

 

Just my opinion. I'm not feeling this guy.

[dalgreen]

he's hungry and wants to win

 

Maybe he is, or maybe its just an act.

 

He is a salesman first and foremost. Let's not forget that.

 

At this point I have 0 trust for anyone associated with the Tribune compnay

 

So a marketing exec from another team would've been a better choice?

 

Someone that didn't have the stink of the Tribune company, is what I

would have peferered.

 

Just my opinion. I'm not feeling this guy.

 

Please put into detail why you hate the Tribune Co. They've given Hendry the money to be a contender and Hendry has made some absolutely horrible decisions with the money. What exactly don't you trust with people employed by the Tribune Co.?

[Soriano12]

What exactly don't you trust with people employed by the Tribune Co.?

 

I will give them credit for allowing a 90+ million dollar payroll.

And yes Hendry did screw the pooch in that regard. Beleive me he should be gone as well.

 

 

However I do have issues with ownership not giving the extra $$$ to get players when it is needed. The only time when thay have authorized an expanced budget is when the oppurtunity to sign Maddux presented itself.

(I have a source on this, a late night board of directors meeting was called to approve his contract)

 

After the 04 season when we needed a complete remake of our outfield, the Tribune company refused ante up in the Beltran sweepstakes. Probably because of eathing the Sosa $$$. When the fans needed them to step up they didn't.

 

I have also stated my gripes regarding the ticket scams. No need to go back there. How about the stunt pulled with the rooftop owners a few years back? Just immaturity from them.

 

I also go back to the issue when you had players attacking broadcasters. The manager wouldn't do nothing. The GM wouldn't. At some point doesn't some type of leadership have to step in to stop this?

 

Don't think for a minute that they really care one way or not whether the team is competitive. Its all about bottom lime to them.

 

They care about attendence, not winning. We have to draw a line there.

Outside of September, the Cubs were darn near selling out every game.

They saw the dropoff in Sept. and while part of it could be due to school back in session, they noticed dis-interest by the fans at the gate.

 

They will do what they need to do to spark interest. Expect a big signing of one of these

 

Soriono

C. Lee

Daisuke

Ztio

 

Combine that with some good marketing this offseason and the gates wil be packed in April. And as long as that $$$ is coming in no one in that compnay cares about wins or losses. No One.

 

If they did you would see things such as an overhaul of the minor league system.

Not that I don't think there are some fine arms down there, because there are. But there needs to be some changes regarding training staffs, and general instruction of fundmentals.

 

Look at young players coming out of Atlanta, Minnesotta...then look at the Cubs...it is night and day.

[goonys evil twin]

After the 04 season when we needed a complete remake of our outfield, the Tribune company refused ante up in the Beltran sweepstakes. Probably because of eathing the Sosa $$$. When the fans needed them to step up they didn't.

 

They had money available. I think it was more of an Andy led initiative to avoid the big boys. His theory was all about short-term contracts (which I guess came about after the whole Hampton thing, when they were offering 7 years). Andy wanted to spread the money around, which is fine, assuming you are going for several cost effective players. But then Hendry's version of spreading it around was giving millions to really bad players.