Intriguing Thought: Jones Might Want Out?

[soccer10k]

ERA League rankings for world series teams over the last 5 years.

 

2005: white sox (1) vs astros (2)

 

2004: red sox (3) vs cardinals (2)

 

2003: marlins (7) vs yankees (3)

 

2002: angels (2) vs giants (2)

 

2001: dbacks (2) vs yankees (3)

 

As per your request nilodnayr:

 

2005: White Sox (9) vs Astros (11)

2004: Red Sox (1) vs Cardinals (1)

2003: Marlins (8) vs Yankees (3)

2002: Angels (4) vs Giants (3)

2001: DBacks (3) vs Yankees (5)

 

My internet is currently shady at best, so I apologize for not taking initiative, but could some one provide this for all playoff teams, not just WS opponents? We all know that once you make it to the playoffs pitching is more important. However, looking at just the WS teams as a proxy, it looks like that save 05, hitting is just as important as pitching.

 

ERA

2006: DET (1), NYY (7), OAK (4), MIN (2), NYM (3), LAD (4), STL (9), SD  (1)
2005: CHW (2), BOS (11), LAA (3), NYY (9), STL (1), SD  (7), HOU (2), ATL (6)
2004: NYY (6), MIN (1), BOS (3), LAA (4), STL (2), LAD (4), HOU (6), ATL (1)
2003: NYY (2), MIN (7), BOS (8), OAK (1), CHC (3), ATL (9), FLA (7), SF  (2)
2002: LAA (2), NYY (4), MIN (6), OAK (1), SF  (2), ATL (1), STL (4), ARI  (6)
2001: SEA (1), CLE (9), NYY (3), OAK (2), ARI (2), STL (3), ATL (1), HOU (10)

 

Runs Scored

2006: DET (5), NYY (1), OAK (9), MIN (8), NYM (3), LAD (4), STL (6), SD  (13)
2005: CHW (9), BOS (1), LAA (7), NYY (2), STL (3), SD  (13), HOU (11), ATL (4)
2004: NYY (2), MIN (10), BOS (1), LAA (7), STL (1), LAD (9), HOU (6), ATL (5)
2003: NYY (3), MIN (6), BOS (1), OAK (9), CHC (9), ATL (1), FLA (8), SF  (6)
2002: LAA (4), NYY (1), MIN (9), OAK (8), SF  (3), ATL (10), STL (2), ARI (1)
2001: SEA (1), CLE (2), NYY (5), OAK (4), ARI (3), STL (4), ATL (13), HOU (2)

[Magnetic Curses]

ERA League rankings for world series teams over the last 5 years.

 

2005: white sox (1) vs astros (2)

 

2004: red sox (3) vs cardinals (2)

 

2003: marlins (7) vs yankees (3)

 

2002: angels (2) vs giants (2)

 

2001: dbacks (2) vs yankees (3)

 

As per your request nilodnayr:

 

2005: White Sox (9) vs Astros (11)

2004: Red Sox (1) vs Cardinals (1)

2003: Marlins (8) vs Yankees (3)

2002: Angels (4) vs Giants (3)

2001: DBacks (3) vs Yankees (5)

 

My internet is currently shady at best, so I apologize for not taking initiative, but could some one provide this for all playoff teams, not just WS opponents? We all know that once you make it to the playoffs pitching is more important. However, looking at just the WS teams as a proxy, it looks like that save 05, hitting is just as important as pitching.

 

ERA

2006: DET (1), NYY (7), OAK (4), MIN (2), NYM (3), LAD (4), STL (9), SD  (1)
2005: CHW (2), BOS (11), LAA (3), NYY (9), STL (1), SD  (7), HOU (2), ATL (6)
2004: NYY (6), MIN (1), BOS (3), LAA (4), STL (2), LAD (4), HOU (6), ATL (1)
2003: NYY (2), MIN (7), BOS (8), OAK (1), CHC (3), ATL (9), FLA (7), SF  (2)
2002: LAA (2), NYY (4), MIN (6), OAK (1), SF  (2), ATL (1), STL (4), ARI  (6)
2001: SEA (1), CLE (9), NYY (3), OAK (2), ARI (2), STL (3), ATL (1), HOU (10)

 

Runs Scored

2006: DET (5), NYY (1), OAK (9), MIN (8), NYM (3), LAD (4), STL (6), SD  (13)
2005: CHW (9), BOS (1), LAA (7), NYY (2), STL (3), SD  (13), HOU (11), ATL (4)
2004: NYY (2), MIN (10), BOS (1), LAA (7), STL (1), LAD (9), HOU (6), ATL (5)
2003: NYY (3), MIN (6), BOS (1), OAK (9), CHC (9), ATL (1), FLA (8), SF  (6)
2002: LAA (4), NYY (1), MIN (9), OAK (8), SF  (3), ATL (10), STL (2), ARI (1)
2001: SEA (1), CLE (2), NYY (5), OAK (4), ARI (3), STL (4), ATL (13), HOU (2)

 

 

so, in 5 years, 16 teams not ranked in the top 4 in their league in era have made the playoffs while 24 teams not ranked in top 4 in RS in their league have made the playoffs.

 

i think that there is definitely a significant difference. by this standard, you could say that pitching is 33% more important than hitting. but that's roughly stated.

[b_wiggy_66]

Bruce Levine said on ESPNRadio's GameNight this evening that he expects the Cubs to have at least two new OF's in 2007 and believes Jacque Jones could be a player on his way out.

 

Goodbye Jock don't let the door hit you on the way out.

[A New Era]

Bruce Levine said on ESPNRadio's GameNight this evening that he expects the Cubs to have at least two new OF's in 2007 and believes Jacque Jones could be a player on his way out.

 

Goodbye Jock don't let the door hit you on the way out.

 

Awesome!! Let those 2 be Pierre and Jones plz. And not Murton. Let one of the new ones be Soriano or Wells, and I could care more who the other one is.

[Balsa]

Bruce Levine said on ESPNRadio's GameNight this evening that he expects the Cubs to have at least two new OF's in 2007 and believes Jacque Jones could be a player on his way out.

 

Goodbye Jock don't let the door hit you on the way out.

I like the sound of this. Please let those two OF be our French outfielders. From what Bruce said about liking Murton and noticing numbers, this seems to leave those two.

 

If this happens, we're well on our way to a terrific offseason.

[A New Era]

Bruce Levine said on ESPNRadio's GameNight this evening that he expects the Cubs to have at least two new OF's in 2007 and believes Jacque Jones could be a player on his way out.

 

Goodbye Jock don't let the door hit you on the way out.

I like the sound of this. Please let those two OF be our French outfielders. From what Bruce said about liking Murton and noticing numbers, this seems to leave those two.

 

If this happens, we're well on our way to a terrific offseason.

 

EXACTLY. I have stated that's what I'd do. THAT is how you effectively use payroll and build a WS calibur team. You keep the low paid younster who is very promising, and you ditch the $6 mil and $5.5 mil average at best guys and use THEIR money on someone more costly, but much better than them. .

[JeffH]

I wouldn't be shocked if Austin Kearns is one of the new outfielders.

[Mark Priors Calves]

I'd still be shocked if Jones gets moved.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

An outfield of Soriano, Lee, and Murton would be productive yet brutal on defense. I'd still like it.

[TheDude]

I'd still be shocked if Jones gets moved.

 

I agree. If Jones wants out after hearing the reported 'targeted names' the Cubs are after this offseason, then he shows himself to be a selfish player interested in his personal stats over team wins.

 

Lately the Cubs sure are getting out into the media the idea they want to win next year. Jones should want to be a part of that winning.

[VanceJergins]

I havent looked through the whole thread so I dont know if this has been discussed yet, but can Pat Burrell play RF? The Phillies are looking to trade him and even pay part of his salary. What would you think of a Jones for Burrell deal?

[USSoccer]

I havent looked through the whole thread so I dont know if this has been discussed yet, but can Pat Burrell play RF? The Phillies are looking to trade him and even pay part of his salary. What would you think of a Jones for Burrell deal?

 

I'd be game, depending on how much salary Philly takes care of.

[CuseCubFan69]

An outfield of Soriano, Lee, and Murton would be productive yet brutal on defense. I'd still like it.

 

You'll need some strike out pitchers with that group.

[CuseCubFan69]

I havent looked through the whole thread so I dont know if this has been discussed yet, but can Pat Burrell play RF? The Phillies are looking to trade him and even pay part of his salary. What would you think of a Jones for Burrell deal?

 

From what I've heard he can't play left.