Possibility? Brenly manager, Stone in the booth, Baker ESPN?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I think the only way Stone is back in the booth is if Brenly is the manager.

 

So, those who want Stone in the booth and Girardi as manager, if you could only have one or the other, which would it be?

[KurtEvans]

I don't think Bob would be the best choice for Cubs manager. I wish him well in finding a job in San Fran.

 

Stone returning to the booth again would be a dream come true. Len is an awesome play-by-play man, he and Steve would make for an incredible team.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I don't think Bob would be the best choice for Cubs manager. I wish him well in finding a job in San Fran.

 

Stone returning to the booth again would be a dream come true. Len is an awesome play-by-play man, he and Steve would make for an incredible team.

 

I don't think Brenly is the best choice for the Cubd manager, but I do think he is the best choice from the names I've heard the Cubs rumored to be considering.

[KurtEvans]

I don't think Brenly is the best choice for the Cubd manager, but I do think he is the best choice from the names I've heard the Cubs rumored to be considering.

 

I'm not sure about that, but mostly because I don't really have an educated opinion on Girardi.

 

Piniella would be a tremendous, absurdly terrible mistake. I'm terrified that Jim will grab him.

 

Girardi is at the very least a guy who gets his players to like him while maintaining a level of discipline. He seems to have a somewhat lacking in-game strategy, but he studied under Torre and if he has any sense of hitters needing plate discipline rather than aggressiveness, then I'll be okay with him. I also know about the pitching injury incident, but I doubt that Joe is going to do that again. I also doubt that he'll abuse and injure pitchers like Dusty has.

 

Therefore, although I have more to learn about him, I do like him better than Brenley who at the very least has the reputation of being the dumbest manager to ever win a World Championship.

 

So, I dunno. I hope Bob gets a job somewhere so we can get Stoney back, although I do think that he's okay in the booth. I just love Stone.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

If we were getting the same Brenly who was in Arizona, I'd have to somewhat agree with you. I'm of the persuasion that people, or at least some people, are able to learn from their encounters and environments. Brenly has spent two years in the booth with Len who seems to be an astute student of the game. I'm hoping some of those ideas have rubbed off on BB. I know the same thing happened for Dierker. In his book, he mentions that the stats used while he was a broadcaster helped him develop and mold philosophies he had as a manager. Maybe I'm too optimisitc in this fashion, but I would hope that in Brenly, this would be the case as well.

 

With Girardi, I am concerned about his blow-up with Loria. I'm also concerned about his controlling tendencies. Those may play well with the 14-million dollar Marlins, but I'm not so sure they will play well with a veteran team. I'm also concerned, that while the Marlins performed above expectations, they really didn't win anything. They were a below-500 club. I think the facination with Girardi is more the ex-Cub factor than anything.

[goonys evil twin]

I don't think Brenly is the best choice for the Cubd manager, but I do think he is the best choice from the names I've heard the Cubs rumored to be considering.

 

I'm not sure about that, but mostly because I don't really have an educated opinion on Girardi.

 

Piniella would be a tremendous, absurdly terrible mistake. I'm terrified that Jim will grab him.

 

He might be the best choice in the long-run, however, for those who want a clean sweep of everybody before 2008. A Piniella/Hendry combo could implode so quickly and dramatically that change might be forced down their throats. New owners often aren't afraid to eat the contracts of presiding management, or they could just factor it into the price of the sale.

[Bruno7481]

If we were getting the same Brenly who was in Arizona, I'd have to somewhat agree with you. I'm of the persuasion that people, or at least some people, are able to learn from their encounters and environments. Brenly has spent two years in the booth with Len who seems to be an astute student of the game. I'm hoping some of those ideas have rubbed off on BB. I know the same thing happened for Dierker. In his book, he mentions that the stats used while he was a broadcaster helped him develop and mold philosophies he had as a manager. Maybe I'm too optimisitc in this fashion, but I would hope that in Brenly, this would be the case as well.

 

With Girardi, I am concerned about his blow-up with Loria. I'm also concerned about his controlling tendencies. Those may play well with the 14-million dollar Marlins, but I'm not so sure they will play well with a veteran team. I'm also concerned, that while the Marlins performed above expectations, they really didn't win anything. They were a below-500 club. I think the facination with Girardi is more the ex-Cub factor than anything.

 

What controlling tendencies? I have to ask again. In another thread you refrenced some quotes by Beinfest. What do you think he is going to say? He has to make this firing look good, because a lot have/will continue to question it.

 

I'll give you the blowup with Loria, which I think was justified. That is the only thing we know of for sure. All of this other stuff is merely speculation, all from the guys who did the firing and need to make it look justified.

[goonys evil twin]

If we were getting the same Brenly who was in Arizona, I'd have to somewhat agree with you. I'm of the persuasion that people, or at least some people, are able to learn from their encounters and environments. Brenly has spent two years in the booth with Len who seems to be an astute student of the game. I'm hoping some of those ideas have rubbed off on BB. I know the same thing happened for Dierker. In his book, he mentions that the stats used while he was a broadcaster helped him develop and mold philosophies he had as a manager. Maybe I'm too optimisitc in this fashion, but I would hope that in Brenly, this would be the case as well.

 

I get the impression that Brenly is more like a Mike Golic, tolerating the little guy who never played the game that's sitting next to him, and humoring him by listening to his stories, but not taking him seriously. I don't think 2 years is long enough for him to learn new tricks. Wasn't Dierker an announcer for like 15 years or something?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

If we were getting the same Brenly who was in Arizona, I'd have to somewhat agree with you. I'm of the persuasion that people, or at least some people, are able to learn from their encounters and environments. Brenly has spent two years in the booth with Len who seems to be an astute student of the game. I'm hoping some of those ideas have rubbed off on BB. I know the same thing happened for Dierker. In his book, he mentions that the stats used while he was a broadcaster helped him develop and mold philosophies he had as a manager. Maybe I'm too optimisitc in this fashion, but I would hope that in Brenly, this would be the case as well.

 

With Girardi, I am concerned about his blow-up with Loria. I'm also concerned about his controlling tendencies. Those may play well with the 14-million dollar Marlins, but I'm not so sure they will play well with a veteran team. I'm also concerned, that while the Marlins performed above expectations, they really didn't win anything. They were a below-500 club. I think the facination with Girardi is more the ex-Cub factor than anything.

 

What controlling tendencies? I have to ask again. In another thread you refrenced some quotes by Beinfest. What do you think he is going to say? He has to make this firing look good, because a lot have/will continue to question it.

 

I'll give you the blowup with Loria, which I think was justified. That is the only thing we know of for sure. All of this other stuff is merely speculation, all from the guys who did the firing and need to make it look justified.

 

Whether you want to believe Beinfest or not, his comments are part of the record. You choose not to believe him, I choose to lend some credence to his statement which certainly implies that Girardi was not willing to cooperate and collaborate with the front office.

 

Maybe it's spin, but maybe it's not. Maybe his lashing out at Loria is proof that he has issues with authority, maybe it's not. But it is certainly enough to cause reservations.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

If we were getting the same Brenly who was in Arizona, I'd have to somewhat agree with you. I'm of the persuasion that people, or at least some people, are able to learn from their encounters and environments. Brenly has spent two years in the booth with Len who seems to be an astute student of the game. I'm hoping some of those ideas have rubbed off on BB. I know the same thing happened for Dierker. In his book, he mentions that the stats used while he was a broadcaster helped him develop and mold philosophies he had as a manager. Maybe I'm too optimisitc in this fashion, but I would hope that in Brenly, this would be the case as well.

 

I get the impression that Brenly is more like a Mike Golic, tolerating the little guy who never played the game that's sitting next to him, and humoring him by listening to his stories, but not taking him seriously. I don't think 2 years is long enough for him to learn new tricks. Wasn't Dierker an announcer for like 15 years or something?

 

Those concerns are valid, and I don't know enough about Brenly and his willingness to consider new ideas and whether two years is long enough or not.

 

If I were doing the hiring, I'd look outside Brenly, Piniella, or Girardi. But, if I were asked to choose between those three, I'd pick Brenly and hope for the best.

[Bruno7481]

If we were getting the same Brenly who was in Arizona, I'd have to somewhat agree with you. I'm of the persuasion that people, or at least some people, are able to learn from their encounters and environments. Brenly has spent two years in the booth with Len who seems to be an astute student of the game. I'm hoping some of those ideas have rubbed off on BB. I know the same thing happened for Dierker. In his book, he mentions that the stats used while he was a broadcaster helped him develop and mold philosophies he had as a manager. Maybe I'm too optimisitc in this fashion, but I would hope that in Brenly, this would be the case as well.

 

With Girardi, I am concerned about his blow-up with Loria. I'm also concerned about his controlling tendencies. Those may play well with the 14-million dollar Marlins, but I'm not so sure they will play well with a veteran team. I'm also concerned, that while the Marlins performed above expectations, they really didn't win anything. They were a below-500 club. I think the facination with Girardi is more the ex-Cub factor than anything.

 

What controlling tendencies? I have to ask again. In another thread you refrenced some quotes by Beinfest. What do you think he is going to say? He has to make this firing look good, because a lot have/will continue to question it.

 

I'll give you the blowup with Loria, which I think was justified. That is the only thing we know of for sure. All of this other stuff is merely speculation, all from the guys who did the firing and need to make it look justified.

 

Whether you want to believe Beinfest or not, his comments are part of the record. You choose not to believe him, I choose to lend some credence to his statement which certainly implies that Girardi was not willing to cooperate and collaborate with the front office.

 

Maybe it's spin, but maybe it's not. Maybe his lashing out at Loria is proof that he has issues with authority, maybe it's not. But it is certainly enough to cause reservations.

 

Do you beleive Hendry when he praised Dusty?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

If we were getting the same Brenly who was in Arizona, I'd have to somewhat agree with you. I'm of the persuasion that people, or at least some people, are able to learn from their encounters and environments. Brenly has spent two years in the booth with Len who seems to be an astute student of the game. I'm hoping some of those ideas have rubbed off on BB. I know the same thing happened for Dierker. In his book, he mentions that the stats used while he was a broadcaster helped him develop and mold philosophies he had as a manager. Maybe I'm too optimisitc in this fashion, but I would hope that in Brenly, this would be the case as well.

 

With Girardi, I am concerned about his blow-up with Loria. I'm also concerned about his controlling tendencies. Those may play well with the 14-million dollar Marlins, but I'm not so sure they will play well with a veteran team. I'm also concerned, that while the Marlins performed above expectations, they really didn't win anything. They were a below-500 club. I think the facination with Girardi is more the ex-Cub factor than anything.

 

What controlling tendencies? I have to ask again. In another thread you refrenced some quotes by Beinfest. What do you think he is going to say? He has to make this firing look good, because a lot have/will continue to question it.

 

I'll give you the blowup with Loria, which I think was justified. That is the only thing we know of for sure. All of this other stuff is merely speculation, all from the guys who did the firing and need to make it look justified.

 

Whether you want to believe Beinfest or not, his comments are part of the record. You choose not to believe him, I choose to lend some credence to his statement which certainly implies that Girardi was not willing to cooperate and collaborate with the front office.

 

Maybe it's spin, but maybe it's not. Maybe his lashing out at Loria is proof that he has issues with authority, maybe it's not. But it is certainly enough to cause reservations.

 

Do you beleive Hendry when he praised Dusty?

 

Actually, I do. I think Hendry kept Dusty around this whole season because he kept wanting something to happen that he could use as a justification for extending him.

[Bruno7481]

I'm not saying there may not be issues there. I was just wondering if there was anything to support that besides all of this rumor and speculation, thats all.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'm not saying there may not be issues there. I was just wondering if there was anything to support that besides all of this rumor and speculation, thats all.

 

Considering his boss said there were issues, I think that supports it right there. I wouldn't expect Beinfest to outline all the issues. Those are personel matters. I don't call it rumor when the one who makes the hires says that he wasn't cooperative. I think that's getting it from about as close to the source as you can. Certainly, you might argue that Beinfest is lying, but wouldn't that be speculating as well.

[Bruno7481]

I'm not saying there may not be issues there. I was just wondering if there was anything to support that besides all of this rumor and speculation, thats all.

 

Considering his boss said there were issues, I think that supports it right there. I wouldn't expect Beinfest to outline all the issues. Those are personel matters. I don't call it rumor when the one who makes the hires says that he wasn't cooperative. I think that's getting it from about as close to the source as you can. Certainly, you might argue that Beinfest is lying, but wouldn't that be speculating as well.

 

Sure, it is all speculation, thats the problem.

 

It is my opinion that Beinfest has to "sell" this firing. Would you agree?

 

Girardi, didn't set the world on fire, but he had a lot more success with that team than anybody would have ever thought at the beginning of the year. There was a blowup with loria and it has all been downhill from there.

 

I tend to think that was the main issue and Girardi didn't have a chance to save his job after that. All of this other talk can support the firing.

 

It is all speculation though.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'm not saying there may not be issues there. I was just wondering if there was anything to support that besides all of this rumor and speculation, thats all.

 

Considering his boss said there were issues, I think that supports it right there. I wouldn't expect Beinfest to outline all the issues. Those are personel matters. I don't call it rumor when the one who makes the hires says that he wasn't cooperative. I think that's getting it from about as close to the source as you can. Certainly, you might argue that Beinfest is lying, but wouldn't that be speculating as well.

 

Sure, it is all speculation, thats the problem.

 

It is my opinion that Beinfest has to "sell" this firing. Would you agree?

 

Girardi, didn't set the world on fire, but he had a lot more success with that team than anybody would have ever thought at the beginning of the year. There was a blowup with loria and it has all been downhill from there.

 

I tend to think that was the main issue and Girardi didn't have a chance to save his job after that. All of this other talk can support the firing.

 

It is all speculation though.

 

I really don't think Beinfest has to sell this firing. It's not like the Marlins have a huge fan base he's worried about pissing off. He's already conducted a fire sale which unloaded most of the team's popular talent and may complete the job with a trade of the D-train. I think he's speaking honestly as to why they are willing to cut ties with a manager whose hiring they just heraled a year ago.

[SouthSideRyan]

 

I really don't think Beinfest has to sell this firing. It's not like the Marlins have a huge fan base he's worried about pissing off. He's already conducted a fire sale which unloaded most of the team's popular talent and may complete the job with a trade of the D-train. I think he's speaking honestly as to why they are willing to cut ties with a manager whose hiring they just heraled a year ago.

 

I disagree. Whether you have 10 fans or 10 million fans, you're still accountable to them. The last thing the Marlins need to do is piss off their few remaining fans and firing a(I assume to be) popular manager after he lead the time far and beyond the common fan's expectations is a real tough sell.

[Laura]

I hadn't heard this story before and it made me chuckle:

 

One day after the Diamondbacks made four errors in a game in July 2004, his team played an error-free game. Brenly smiled in his postgame interview and said: "No errors! We get pizza!" He then walked out the door and was fired. Those were his final words as Arizona manager.

 

Media buzz is definitely not always accurate, but the buzz seemingly puts Piniella - Girardi 1-2 in the Cubs managerial race and Brenly behind both of them.

[RynoRules]

Just to add to Vance and Bruno's discussion, the Marlins' "leaks" and comments about Girardi stink of a spin job. Loria's reputation around baseball is apparently not good (I believe Bruce stated as much) and he isn't taken seriously. While this does not mean Hendry shouldn't investigate what went on, I think you have take anything coming from the Marlins about Girardi with a grain of salt.

[Allroy]

I love all this speculation on who will take the job. I personally detest the idea of Piniella, and think Brenly then Girardi would be the best choice. I like the fact that Brenly has been forced to watch this team self destruct and maybe he has some ideas on what we can do to change it. I keep thinking though, the best man for the job might not want it. With Gilbert from Revenge of the Nerds as interim Pres. and Meat Loaf as GM, I'm not sure I'd want it either.

[Mizzou]

I've seen a lot of people who support Brenly over Girardi. Why? What makes Brenly desireable?

[RichHillIsABeast]

I've seen a lot of people who support Brenly over Girardi. Why? What makes Brenly desireable?

 

We know Brenly b/c of all his comments in the booth. Girardi is a relative unknown management-wise and baseball philosophy. For me, it's a comfort level thing.

[Mizzou]

I've seen a lot of people who support Brenly over Girardi. Why? What makes Brenly desireable?

 

We know Brenly b/c of all his comments in the booth. Girardi is a relative unknown management-wise and baseball philosophy. For me, it's a comfort level thing.

I didn't really watch too many games, so I guess I'm not familiar with his approaches. What did he say in the booth that makes you thing he'd be good in the Cubs dugout?

[RichHillIsABeast]

I've seen a lot of people who support Brenly over Girardi. Why? What makes Brenly desireable?

 

We know Brenly b/c of all his comments in the booth. Girardi is a relative unknown management-wise and baseball philosophy. For me, it's a comfort level thing.

I didn't really watch too many games, so I guess I'm not familiar with his approaches. What did he say in the booth that makes you thing he'd be good in the Cubs dugout?

 

He's all over Ramirez's slacking, Jones's poor throws, has mad man-love for Murton, knows what plate discipline is, doesn't mind talking about OBP with Len, and he's just flat out hilarious.

[Andy]

If Bob actually believes what he says in the booth he'd be a decent hire. He still has some old-school mentality but unlike Lou and many others he at least knows what OBP is and why it's important.