White Sox

[RationalSoxFan]

This will be a very interesting offseason on the South Side. Williams has expressed many times that the team needs to get younger. I believe the window of opportunity is closed. Thome is close to done, Dye had a career year, Konerko will decline, Podsednik will be gone, so will Uribe, Garcia, hopefully Contreras, and maybe Iguchi.

 

I would build around Garland, McCarthy, Vazquez, and possibly Buehrle. If Buehrle is the key piece in a deal for a promising SS prospect, then I would trade him. But his value is really low right now.

 

What do you think will happen? I asked on here because the Cards, Brewers, and Astros will probably all express interest in Garcia or any of the other starters.

[Backtobanks]

The best thing about the White Sox not making the playoffs is that Kenny Williams and Ozzie Guillen have lost their "genius" status. It should be an interesting offseason on both sides of town. I can't believe the Sox are going to retool the whole team since they will have 90+ wins this year.

[C.C.]

Ozzie and Kenny got so full of themselves...Karma is a bitch.

[goonys evil twin]

This will be a very interesting offseason on the South Side. Williams has expressed many times that the team needs to get younger. I believe the window of opportunity is closed. Thome is close to done, Dye had a career year, Konerko will decline, Podsednik will be gone, so will Uribe, Garcia, hopefully Contreras, and maybe Iguchi.

 

I would build around Garland, McCarthy, Vazquez, and possibly Buehrle. If Buehrle is the key piece in a deal for a promising SS prospect, then I would trade him. But his value is really low right now.

 

What do you think will happen? I asked on here because the Cards, Brewers, and Astros will probably all express interest in Garcia or any of the other starters.

 

Thome is done? He's got a 1000+ OPS and will probably have played in 140+ games.

[jmajew]

This will be a very interesting offseason on the South Side. Williams has expressed many times that the team needs to get younger. I believe the window of opportunity is closed. Thome is close to done, Dye had a career year, Konerko will decline, Podsednik will be gone, so will Uribe, Garcia, hopefully Contreras, and maybe Iguchi.

 

I would build around Garland, McCarthy, Vazquez, and possibly Buehrle. If Buehrle is the key piece in a deal for a promising SS prospect, then I would trade him. But his value is really low right now.

 

What do you think will happen? I asked on here because the Cards, Brewers, and Astros will probably all express interest in Garcia or any of the other starters.

 

Thome is done? He's got a 1000+ OPS and will probably have played in 140+ games.

 

Quick White Sox solution for next year. Keep Anderson in CF and let Sweeney play LF and put Fields and 3b. You then trade Crede and Garcia. Maybe workout a three team deal with the Orioles that lands the Sox Tejada. Or trade both of them separately and get teh best defensive shortstop available...Hopefully for the Cubs sake an Izturis and Will Ohman deal could net the Cubs Garcia.

[Brian]

Crede is a FA.

[NewUserName]

I think the White Sox need to understand that Jose Contrares had a career year last year and will probably never achieve that level again. He does however have trade value now. The White Sox pitching is just not very good this year. If I was the Sox I would let Podsednik go. Do something to get a defensive upgrade at SS. I would resign Crede and maybe move Fields in a move to help them at SS. Go with a rotation of Buerhle, Garcia, Vasquez, Garland and McCarthy. Hoping Buerhle will come back to being close to an Ace. Need to improve the Bullpen.

 

I dont think they are that far removed from being a Championship level team. I certainly think either Buerhle or Garcia can bounce back next year. Brian Anderson will improve. I would assume that Dye will come back to earth next season. I think that Thome will not be as good but will be close. Crede could still improve though. I still think the White Sox will be contenders next season.

[WindyCity]

Crede is a FA.

 

No he's not -- he's arbitration eligible in 2007.

[Soriano12]

Ozzie and Kenny got so full of themselves...Karma is a bitch.

 

I don't understand what they did wrong?

 

The pitching staff went south. Who knew that Buerhle would crumble?

 

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[WindyCity]

Ozzie and Kenny got so full of themselves...Karma is a bitch.

 

I don't understand what they did wrong?

 

The pitching staff went south. Who knew that Buerhle would crumble?

 

Agreed -- IMO KW did a great job making a good team even better on paper this past off-season, but what looked good on paper did not materialize on the field. Maybe the starters threw too many innings last year and just didn't have anything left for this year, maybe the drive to win another championship isn't as strong as it is to win the first, or maybe it just goes to show how many things have to go your way to win it all.... 2005 White Sox = very lucky, 2006 White Sox = not so much luck.

 

BTW -- not saying luck is the only reason they won last year. You have to be a good team for luck to even matter in the equation.

[Mark Priors Calves]

I thought I read this week that the current Sox payroll sits at 99 million for just 12 players currently under contract. Williams is going to have to move some of that mediocore starting pitching. Garcia is most likely to go, but he's had a terrible year and his value is nowhere near where it was last off season, when he should have moved one of his starting pitchers.

[goonys evil twin]

I thought I read this week that the current Sox payroll sits at 99 million for just 12 players currently under contract. Williams is going to have to move some of that mediocore starting pitching. Garcia is most likely to go, but he's had a terrible year and his value is nowhere near where it was last off season, when he should have moved one of his starting pitchers.

 

It's kind of interesting that the WS have all that money tied up in those pitchers, whose best quality appears to be their ability to throw 200 IP, and one of the things Hendry is most likely to go after is pitchers who can give him 200 IP. And I wonder just how likely KW is to exercise the option on Buerhle.

[HoopsCubs]

I thought I read this week that the current Sox payroll sits at 99 million for just 12 players currently under contract. Williams is going to have to move some of that mediocore starting pitching. Garcia is most likely to go, but he's had a terrible year and his value is nowhere near where it was last off season, when he should have moved one of his starting pitchers.

 

It's kind of interesting that the WS have all that money tied up in those pitchers, whose best quality appears to be their ability to throw 200 IP, and one of the things Hendry is most likely to go after is pitchers who can give him 200 IP. And I wonder just how likely KW is to exercise the option on Buerhle.

 

Williams could gamble that exercising Buehrle's option will make him an attractive trade target at 1 year and $9.5M. He could figure some team is willing to trade back some young talent for at least 1 year of Buehrle in the rotation. I think most pundits feel Buehrle will be a St. Louis Cardinal by the 2008 season.

[C.C.]

Ozzie and Kenny got so full of themselves...Karma is a bitch.

 

I don't understand what they did wrong?

 

The pitching staff went south. Who knew that Buerhle would crumble?

 

Agreed -- IMO KW did a great job making a good team even better on paper this past off-season, but what looked good on paper did not materialize on the field. Maybe the starters threw too many innings last year and just didn't have anything left for this year, maybe the drive to win another championship isn't as strong as it is to win the first, or maybe it just goes to show how many things have to go your way to win it all.... 2005 White Sox = very lucky, 2006 White Sox = not so much luck.

 

BTW -- not saying luck is the only reason they won last year. You have to be a good team for luck to even matter in the equation.

 

It's not what they did but what they said. If they kept their mouths shut every once in a while and not piss off the world perhaps the situation could be better...

[LuckyPup]

I wonder if ole Jimbo will try and get Garcia from the southside- i am not saying it would be a bad move- maybe Dempster+Izturis for Garcia? i would definitely not be opposed to Garcia as a # 3 or 4 starter-

[HoopsCubs]

I wonder if ole Jimbo will try and get Garcia from the southside- i am not saying it would be a bad move- maybe Dempster+Izturis for Garcia? i would definitely not be opposed to Garcia as a # 3 or 4 starter-

 

Would you prefer Javier Vazquez?

[Soriano12]

Ozzie and Kenny got so full of themselves...Karma is a bitch.

 

I don't understand what they did wrong?

 

The pitching staff went south. Who knew that Buerhle would crumble?

 

Agreed -- IMO KW did a great job making a good team even better on paper this past off-season, but what looked good on paper did not materialize on the field. Maybe the starters threw too many innings last year and just didn't have anything left for this year, maybe the drive to win another championship isn't as strong as it is to win the first, or maybe it just goes to show how many things have to go your way to win it all.... 2005 White Sox = very lucky, 2006 White Sox = not so much luck.

 

BTW -- not saying luck is the only reason they won last year. You have to be a good team for luck to even matter in the equation.

 

It's not what they did but what they said. If they kept their mouths shut every once in a while and not piss off the world perhaps the situation could be better...

 

Wait...we are talking about the Sox fans right?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I kid...I kid.

 

:lol:

[LuckyPup]

I wonder if ole Jimbo will try and get Garcia from the southside- i am not saying it would be a bad move- maybe Dempster+Izturis for Garcia? i would definitely not be opposed to Garcia as a # 3 or 4 starter-

 

Would you prefer Javier Vazquez?

i think Garcia has a bigger contract so money wise i would prefer Vasquez, but we might have to give up less in talent to get Garcia-either would be a solid addition to another FA starter, Z, Hill, Prior,etc

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

WE CAN'T TRADE WITH THE WHITE SOX UNLESS WE FLEECE THEM!!! WE SHOULD NOT HELP THEM GET OUT OF BAD CONTRACTS! WE SHOULD ONLY TRADE THEM PLAYERS LIKE WALROND AND MABRY!!!!

 

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

[C.C.]

Ozzie and Kenny got so full of themselves...Karma is a bitch.

 

I don't understand what they did wrong?

 

The pitching staff went south. Who knew that Buerhle would crumble?

 

Agreed -- IMO KW did a great job making a good team even better on paper this past off-season, but what looked good on paper did not materialize on the field. Maybe the starters threw too many innings last year and just didn't have anything left for this year, maybe the drive to win another championship isn't as strong as it is to win the first, or maybe it just goes to show how many things have to go your way to win it all.... 2005 White Sox = very lucky, 2006 White Sox = not so much luck.

 

BTW -- not saying luck is the only reason they won last year. You have to be a good team for luck to even matter in the equation.

 

It's not what they did but what they said. If they kept their mouths shut every once in a while and not piss off the world perhaps the situation could be better...

 

Wait...we are talking about the Sox fans right?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I kid...I kid.

 

:lol:

 

Them too!

[Backtobanks]

Ozzie and Kenny got so full of themselves...Karma is a bitch.

 

I don't understand what they did wrong?

 

The pitching staff went south. Who knew that Buerhle would crumble?

 

Agreed -- IMO KW did a great job making a good team even better on paper this past off-season, but what looked good on paper did not materialize on the field. Maybe the starters threw too many innings last year and just didn't have anything left for this year, maybe the drive to win another championship isn't as strong as it is to win the first, or maybe it just goes to show how many things have to go your way to win it all.... 2005 White Sox = very lucky, 2006 White Sox = not so much luck.

 

BTW -- not saying luck is the only reason they won last year. You have to be a good team for luck to even matter in the equation.

 

Both the White Sox and Red Sox did nothing at the trade deadline and they will both be watching the playoffs this year. Every writer was telling KW to go out and get a starter, but he was confident in his club and it backfired.

[Soriano12]

Ozzie and Kenny got so full of themselves...Karma is a bitch.

 

I don't understand what they did wrong?

 

The pitching staff went south. Who knew that Buerhle would crumble?

 

Agreed -- IMO KW did a great job making a good team even better on paper this past off-season, but what looked good on paper did not materialize on the field. Maybe the starters threw too many innings last year and just didn't have anything left for this year, maybe the drive to win another championship isn't as strong as it is to win the first, or maybe it just goes to show how many things have to go your way to win it all.... 2005 White Sox = very lucky, 2006 White Sox = not so much luck.

 

BTW -- not saying luck is the only reason they won last year. You have to be a good team for luck to even matter in the equation.

 

Both the White Sox and Red Sox did nothing at the trade deadline and they will both be watching the playoffs this year. Every writer was telling KW to go out and get a starter, but he was confident in his club and it backfired.

 

I agree. Just like in 05, when everyone told him to get Griffey Jr. at the deadline...look how that backfired....

 

:shock:

[SouthSideRyan]

I hope for my sake they sign Juan Pierre long term.

 

I can't believe they'll be able to get too much for Garcia because it seems to be a terribly kept secret that he's on his way out. It seems to be banking on a lot to rely on Dye and Thome to repeat their years next year. I think I'd personally go to Baltimore with Garland for Tejada, and see what spare parts I'd need to add. Uribe was a great defender, but from what I've heard he's gone down considerably this year, and he has an OBP worse than Neifi's worst year. With regards to the OF, that's a tough call, Guillen seems to love Sweeney, but I don't think he's a starting ML OF. At least not yet. I'd prioritize SS first, then a bullpen arm, then a LF. I'm not sure what's out there for OFs, but that might be what you could get in return for the SP you trade, nothing special, maybe a Jacque Jones type.

[Rob]

Garcia's 87 MPH fastball just screams "paging Doctor Andrews" to me... I want to be nowhere near him.

[NorthsideAvenger]

Ozzie and Kenny got so full of themselves...Karma is a bitch.

 

I don't understand what they did wrong?

 

The pitching staff went south. Who knew that Buerhle would crumble?

 

.

 

They didn't do anything wrong, per se, because they are still going to finished the season over .500 and prolly close to 90+ wins. The problem is....the White Sox as a team didn't have their "hunger" or "urgency to win" they had last yr. Last yr they a sense to need the win in the worst of ways, this yr, winning was AS important. That was their problem.