09/18 CUBS (Marshall) @ Philadelphia (Lieber) 6:05 CDT, CSN+

[Sammy Sofa]

Well, that was shockingly un-Dempster-like.

 

Holy crap, is this a winning streak?!?

[Sammy Sofa]

I love how Dempster always comes in the same way:

 

BALL 1

 

BALL 2.....

 

Oops, that was the second batter....

 

STILL!

 

Trust me, I was just as stunned actually seeing him strike out the first batter in only three pitches.

[chuckywang]

Aramis must love Philly pitching. I believe he had 3 HR's against Philly in 2004 at Wrigley. That was the day I happened to be in Chicago and decided to check out Wrigley Field (didn't have tickets though).

 

Hey Ramirez, you can't face Philly pitching if you go to Philly!

[Laura]

Aramis 7, Phillies 6

[mg420]

weren't you some of the people trying to trade hill for a bag of baseballs a few weeks ago?

 

Your continued attempts to somehow compare Hill and Theriot are completely nonsensical.

 

Again, stop ignoring Theriot's career numbers. They'll tell you a LOT more about him than this tiny burst of power hitting over the last 2-3 weeks.

blah blah blah. if u didnt know talent when you saw it with hill why should theriot be any different?

[NorthsideAvenger]

i dont consider lack of power an "error" for a 2b. if he can hit around 10 a year it would be fine. he can certainly get on base (ie take walks) unlike cedeno.

 

Theriot has 5 HR in over 2300 Minor League plate appearances. His IsoP is an almost humorous .066. He was old for his leagues too, he simply hasn't shown any ability to hit for power.

 

Well, power isn't the "end all/be all" to making a ballplayer. There are plenty of solid players with little to no power...guys like David Eckstein, Mark Loretta have made careers out of playing the game hard, and playing it right. Besides power is a requirment out of 2B, unless you have a Jeff Kent/Jose Vidro/ type 2b.

 

Theriot for 2b in 07.

[Geech]

blah blah blah. if u didnt know talent when you saw it with hill why should theriot be any different?

 

Theriot should be evaluated on his own merits, Rich Hill notwithstanding.

[soccer10k]

Aramis Wins!!!

[Transmogrified Tiger]

i dont consider lack of power an "error" for a 2b. if he can hit around 10 a year it would be fine. he can certainly get on base (ie take walks) unlike cedeno.

 

Theriot has 5 HR in over 2300 Minor League plate appearances. His IsoP is an almost humorous .066. He was old for his leagues too, he simply hasn't shown any ability to hit for power.

 

Well, power isn't the "end all/be all" to making a ballplayer. There are plenty of solid players with little to no power...guys like David Eckstein, Mark Loretta have made careers out of playing the game hard, and playing it right. Besides power is a requirment out of 2B, unless you have a Jeff Kent/Jose Vidro/ type 2b.

 

Theriot for 2b in 07.

 

Even lightweights like Eckstein and Loretta had minor league IsoP's pushing .100. Power is a requirement out of every position, some you're able to get more than others, but hitting as few XBH's as Theriot does just isn't going to cut it. If he's the only option we might as well bring up EPatt and see if he isn't overmatched before trotting out Theriot regularly. Or play Mike bloody Fontenot, even though he came down with a mysterious injury at the end fo the year.

[Sammy Sofa]

weren't you some of the people trying to trade hill for a bag of baseballs a few weeks ago?

 

Your continued attempts to somehow compare Hill and Theriot are completely nonsensical.

 

Again, stop ignoring Theriot's career numbers. They'll tell you a LOT more about him than this tiny burst of power hitting over the last 2-3 weeks.

blah blah blah. if u didnt know talent when you saw it with hill why should theriot be any different?

 

I did see talent in Hill...in his stellar minor league numbers. That's why I was so frustrated with him when he was tanking it up in the bigs.

 

If anything, Hill's career is backing up my point...these guys' minor league numbers often help give you a damn good idea of what they're capable of. Theriot's don't even come close to sustaining what he's been doing for really only about a month.

[soccer10k]

i dont consider lack of power an "error" for a 2b. if he can hit around 10 a year it would be fine. he can certainly get on base (ie take walks) unlike cedeno.

 

Theriot has 5 HR in over 2300 Minor League plate appearances. His IsoP is an almost humorous .066. He was old for his leagues too, he simply hasn't shown any ability to hit for power.

 

Well, power isn't the "end all/be all" to making a ballplayer. There are plenty of solid players with little to no power...guys like David Eckstein, Mark Loretta have made careers out of playing the game hard, and playing it right. Besides power is a requirment out of 2B, unless you have a Jeff Kent/Jose Vidro/ type 2b.

 

Theriot for 2b in 07.

 

Even lightweights like Eckstein and Loretta had minor league IsoP's pushing .100. Power is a requirement out of every position, some you're able to get more than others, but hitting as few XBH's as Theriot does just isn't going to cut it. If he's the only option we might as well bring up EPatt and see if he isn't overmatched before trotting out Theriot regularly. Or play Mike bloody Fontenot, even though he came down with a mysterious injury at the end fo the year.

 

Yeah, let's bring somebody up to the ML too early and have him fail. That's a brilliant idea. I've seen that ending before.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

i dont consider lack of power an "error" for a 2b. if he can hit around 10 a year it would be fine. he can certainly get on base (ie take walks) unlike cedeno.

 

Theriot has 5 HR in over 2300 Minor League plate appearances. His IsoP is an almost humorous .066. He was old for his leagues too, he simply hasn't shown any ability to hit for power.

 

Well, power isn't the "end all/be all" to making a ballplayer. There are plenty of solid players with little to no power...guys like David Eckstein, Mark Loretta have made careers out of playing the game hard, and playing it right. Besides power is a requirment out of 2B, unless you have a Jeff Kent/Jose Vidro/ type 2b.

 

Theriot for 2b in 07.

 

Even lightweights like Eckstein and Loretta had minor league IsoP's pushing .100. Power is a requirement out of every position, some you're able to get more than others, but hitting as few XBH's as Theriot does just isn't going to cut it. If he's the only option we might as well bring up EPatt and see if he isn't overmatched before trotting out Theriot regularly. Or play Mike bloody Fontenot, even though he came down with a mysterious injury at the end fo the year.

 

Yeah, let's bring somebody up to the ML too early and have him fail. That's a brilliant idea. I've seen that ending before.

 

That's why I said "and see if he isn't overmatched". Give EPatt a couple hundred PA's to start the year if we can't find anyone else. If he can't do anything, then send him back down, I didn't say put EPatt at 2B and keep him there until he leaves for free agency. Or, again, put Fontenot and his superior minor league career on the 40 man and give him a shot.

[Balsa]

weren't you some of the people trying to trade hill for a bag of baseballs a few weeks ago?

 

Your continued attempts to somehow compare Hill and Theriot are completely nonsensical.

 

Again, stop ignoring Theriot's career numbers. They'll tell you a LOT more about him than this tiny burst of power hitting over the last 2-3 weeks.

blah blah blah. if u didnt know talent when you saw it with hill why should theriot be any different?

 

I did see talent in Hill...in his stellar minor league numbers. That's why I was so frustrated with him when he was tanking it up in the bigs.

 

If anything, Hill's career is backing up my point...these guys' minor league numbers often help give you a damn good idea of what they're capable of. Theriot's don't even come close to sustaining what he's been doing for really only about a month.

 

Exactly. If anything, MojoWoodPinKeyBoard (our new singular identity) is correcting the mistakes made by paying MORE attention to minor league numbers and LESS to what we see on the field.

[Sammy Sofa]

MojoWoodPinKeyBoard (our new singular identity)

 

Resistance is futile.

[Balsa]

MojoWoodPinKeyBoard (our new singular identity)

 

Resistance is futile.

 

No one can defeat the quad laser!

[CaliforniaRaisin]

weren't you some of the people trying to trade hill for a bag of baseballs a few weeks ago?

 

Your continued attempts to somehow compare Hill and Theriot are completely nonsensical.

 

Again, stop ignoring Theriot's career numbers. They'll tell you a LOT more about him than this tiny burst of power hitting over the last 2-3 weeks.

blah blah blah. if u didnt know talent when you saw it with hill why should theriot be any different?

 

How does evaluating the talent of a pitcher compare to evaluating the talent of a MIF? How does being wrong with one player make a difference in judging another player?

 

I take it you've never been wrong in evaluating a baseball player?