College Football - Week of 9/16

[CaliforniaRaisin]

 

Because they schedule so many D2 teams or close to it. There was an article in the paper a few days ago about teams from the SEC telling Buffalo that they'd give them a huge payday if they play them. Big East teams are playing Ohio St, Miami, Kansas St, Michigan St, Virginia Tech and Iowa, and that is with 8 teams while the SEC with 12 doesn't play as many top teams. That's how you measure how good you are, by playing other top conference teams but the SEC except for Tenn skates away from that and thus they get repsect for being undefeated going into conference play and build up obscene stats. That's how the 3 degrees of schedule separation is different.

 

The SEC has played Cal, Michigan, USC, Louisville, Mizzou, and Hawaii, with games against West Virginia, Colorado, Florida State, Fresno State, and Georgia Tech later in the season. Really, there is very little difference.

 

Now, how many of those SEC teams are playing Auburn? Then we'll look at the records of those games and we'll see as the season progresses.

 

I don't like the SOS because that again helps the SEC. Their teams are ranked high to begin with and have to fail while BE teams like Louisville have to prove they belong and are behind the whole time. Why, Auburn plays LSU and beats them. LSU has one loss now and wins out in the SEC and is a game behind Auburn making their win look even that much better. Both teams, yet again, have beat no one out of conference just like WV. If WV beats Loiusville do they get the same respect and hop above Auburn? No they won't if both are undefeated even if Louisville is undefeated when they play WV. The system won't allow that to happen and it's the same stuff Penn State had to put up with with all their undefeated teams. I'll believe the SEC is better when either Auburn beats WV, middle of the pack SEC team beats a top Conference teams or the middle or bottom/middle teams in the SEC beat up on most of another conferences middle/bottom. Then the SEC will prove they are the top conference. yes, this goes for all conferences not just the SEC but the SEC seems to get cart blanche from the get go and as I said earlier has to be proven to be bad.

 

Then set the same standards for the Big East.

[CuseCubFan69]

 

Because they schedule so many D2 teams or close to it. There was an article in the paper a few days ago about teams from the SEC telling Buffalo that they'd give them a huge payday if they play them. Big East teams are playing Ohio St, Miami, Kansas St, Michigan St, Virginia Tech and Iowa, and that is with 8 teams while the SEC with 12 doesn't play as many top teams. That's how you measure how good you are, by playing other top conference teams but the SEC except for Tenn skates away from that and thus they get repsect for being undefeated going into conference play and build up obscene stats. That's how the 3 degrees of schedule separation is different.

 

The SEC has played Cal, Michigan, USC, Louisville, Mizzou, and Hawaii, with games against West Virginia, Colorado, Florida State, Fresno State, and Georgia Tech later in the season. Really, there is very little difference.

 

Now, how many of those SEC teams are playing Auburn? Then we'll look at the records of those games and we'll see as the season progresses.

 

I don't like the SOS because that again helps the SEC. Their teams are ranked high to begin with and have to fail while BE teams like Louisville have to prove they belong and are behind the whole time. Why, Auburn plays LSU and beats them. LSU has one loss now and wins out in the SEC and is a game behind Auburn making their win look even that much better. Both teams, yet again, have beat no one out of conference just like WV. If WV beats Loiusville do they get the same respect and hop above Auburn? No they won't if both are undefeated even if Louisville is undefeated when they play WV. The system won't allow that to happen and it's the same stuff Penn State had to put up with with all their undefeated teams. I'll believe the SEC is better when either Auburn beats WV, middle of the pack SEC team beats a top Conference teams or the middle or bottom/middle teams in the SEC beat up on most of another conferences middle/bottom. Then the SEC will prove they are the top conference. yes, this goes for all conferences not just the SEC but the SEC seems to get cart blanche from the get go and as I said earlier has to be proven to be bad.

 

Then set the same standards for the Big East.

 

I agree. I give USC credit for the Nebraska win. Louisville credit for a win over Miami. Tenn over Cal and thus Floriday over Tenn. But, we have to wait and see how Nebraska, Miami and Cal do over the course of the season. The problem I have Raisin is the problem of hopping over a team even though the team behind in the rankings is better. I want a playoff and let them prove it on the field and not with gool ole boys votes.

[soccer10k]

All I'm going to say for now is that Ohio State is #1. After that I would have, in no particular order, Auburn, WVU, USC, Michigan, Florida, Louisville, and Georgia.

[Mark_R]

It is difficult to put a team like WVU over Auburn given that Auburn beat a team that had national title aspirations. WVU has played a creampuff schedule so far. They will be hurt be the Big East being awful, no doubt about it, but Auburn should also get a lot of credit (if both teams run the table mind you...), for beating a much more difficult schedule than WVU. WVU should be upset that the majority of teams in that conference are not very good, thus hurting their own chances for a national championship with an absolutely incredible offense.

 

Btw, how can anyone not vote OSU number one? I understand that Auburn just beat LSU, but that game was at home and was certainly not a decisive win like OSU had over Texas (probably the big XII Champ...) ON THE ROAD. Those be some crazy voters.

[Jon]

The officials for the Oregon/Oklahoma game have been suspended for one week:

 

NORMAN, Okla. (AP) — The Pacific-10 Conference, finding merit in Oklahoma's complaints about poor officiating in its loss to Oregon, on Monday suspended for one game the officiating crew and the instant replay officials who worked the game and issued an apology to the Sooners.

 

The Ducks won the game 34-33 after scoring two touchdowns in the final 72 seconds.

 

"Errors clearly were made and not corrected, and for that we apologize to the University of Oklahoma, coach Bob Stoops and his players," Pac-10 Commissioner Tom Hansen said in a statement. "They played an outstanding college football game, as did Oregon, and it is regrettable that the outcome of the contest was affected by the officiating."

 

I'm not sure if the refs necessarily did anything wrong, but the replay officials should have been fired.

[adamb0719]

The officials for the Oregon/Oklahoma game have been suspended for one week:

 

NORMAN, Okla. (AP) — The Pacific-10 Conference, finding merit in Oklahoma's complaints about poor officiating in its loss to Oregon, on Monday suspended for one game the officiating crew and the instant replay officials who worked the game and issued an apology to the Sooners.

 

The Ducks won the game 34-33 after scoring two touchdowns in the final 72 seconds.

 

"Errors clearly were made and not corrected, and for that we apologize to the University of Oklahoma, coach Bob Stoops and his players," Pac-10 Commissioner Tom Hansen said in a statement. "They played an outstanding college football game, as did Oregon, and it is regrettable that the outcome of the contest was affected by the officiating."

 

I'm not sure if the refs necessarily did anything wrong, but the replay officials should have been fired.

 

Is it possible to change the outcome of the game? Can they give the win to Oklahoma?

[CuseCubFan69]

The officials for the Oregon/Oklahoma game have been suspended for one week:

 

NORMAN, Okla. (AP) — The Pacific-10 Conference, finding merit in Oklahoma's complaints about poor officiating in its loss to Oregon, on Monday suspended for one game the officiating crew and the instant replay officials who worked the game and issued an apology to the Sooners.

 

The Ducks won the game 34-33 after scoring two touchdowns in the final 72 seconds.

 

"Errors clearly were made and not corrected, and for that we apologize to the University of Oklahoma, coach Bob Stoops and his players," Pac-10 Commissioner Tom Hansen said in a statement. "They played an outstanding college football game, as did Oregon, and it is regrettable that the outcome of the contest was affected by the officiating."

 

I'm not sure if the refs necessarily did anything wrong, but the replay officials should have been fired.

 

This is why I hate having refs from one of the conference teams do the games. There are enough teams out there playing out of conference games to have them get refs that are not with either conference.

[dew1679666265]

 

Because they schedule so many D2 teams or close to it. There was an article in the paper a few days ago about teams from the SEC telling Buffalo that they'd give them a huge payday if they play them. Big East teams are playing Ohio St, Miami, Kansas St, Michigan St, Virginia Tech and Iowa, and that is with 8 teams while the SEC with 12 doesn't play as many top teams. That's how you measure how good you are, by playing other top conference teams but the SEC except for Tenn skates away from that and thus they get repsect for being undefeated going into conference play and build up obscene stats. That's how the 3 degrees of schedule separation is different.

 

The SEC has played Cal, Michigan, USC, Louisville, Mizzou, and Hawaii, with games against West Virginia, Colorado, Florida State, Fresno State, and Georgia Tech later in the season. Really, there is very little difference.

 

Now, how many of those SEC teams are playing Auburn? Then we'll look at the records of those games and we'll see as the season progresses.

 

I don't like the SOS because that again helps the SEC. Their teams are ranked high to begin with and have to fail while BE teams like Louisville have to prove they belong and are behind the whole time. Why, Auburn plays LSU and beats them. LSU has one loss now and wins out in the SEC and is a game behind Auburn making their win look even that much better. Both teams, yet again, have beat no one out of conference just like WV. If WV beats Loiusville do they get the same respect and hop above Auburn? No they won't if both are undefeated even if Louisville is undefeated when they play WV. The system won't allow that to happen and it's the same stuff Penn State had to put up with with all their undefeated teams. I'll believe the SEC is better when either Auburn beats WV, middle of the pack SEC team beats a top Conference teams or the middle or bottom/middle teams in the SEC beat up on most of another conferences middle/bottom. Then the SEC will prove they are the top conference. yes, this goes for all conferences not just the SEC but the SEC seems to get cart blanche from the get go and as I said earlier has to be proven to be bad.

 

Then set the same standards for the Big East.

 

I agree. I give USC credit for the Nebraska win. Louisville credit for a win over Miami. Tenn over Cal and thus Floriday over Tenn. But, we have to wait and see how Nebraska, Miami and Cal do over the course of the season. The problem I have Raisin is the problem of hopping over a team even though the team behind in the rankings is better. I want a playoff and let them prove it on the field and not with gool ole boys votes.

 

To be techincal, Tennessee was expected by many to be middle of the road SEC, third in the east and thus eighth overall because LSU and Auburn are expected to be better. I disagree with this as I don't think there's much of any difference between UT, Fla, or UGA except UT's depth issues. But after a 5-6 season, it's hard to argue.

Really, this debate comes down to how proven each conference is. The Big East has a jumble of decent to good teams that have never really done much. Granted WVU beat UGA in the bowl game, but UGA played awful for over a half.

Over the long term, though, none of the Big East has proven anything. The SEC gets the benefit of the doubt because it's been very good and produced great teams year in and year out. Now there is probably no dominant SEC team this year, but there could be eight very good teams that'll just beat up on each other, thus they may all end with three to four losses.

Finally, LSU does play UT and Fla this year and Auburn plays Fla and UGA so according to you, they will have the ability to prove themselves. Of course, I hope LSU doesn't prove themselves against the Vols. :)

[soccer10k]

The officials for the Oregon/Oklahoma game have been suspended for one week:

 

NORMAN, Okla. (AP) — The Pacific-10 Conference, finding merit in Oklahoma's complaints about poor officiating in its loss to Oregon, on Monday suspended for one game the officiating crew and the instant replay officials who worked the game and issued an apology to the Sooners.

 

The Ducks won the game 34-33 after scoring two touchdowns in the final 72 seconds.

 

"Errors clearly were made and not corrected, and for that we apologize to the University of Oklahoma, coach Bob Stoops and his players," Pac-10 Commissioner Tom Hansen said in a statement. "They played an outstanding college football game, as did Oregon, and it is regrettable that the outcome of the contest was affected by the officiating."

 

I'm not sure if the refs necessarily did anything wrong, but the replay officials should have been fired.

 

This is why I hate having refs from one of the conference teams do the games. There are enough teams out there playing out of conference games to have them get refs that are not with either conference.

 

I agree. I know in some of the games they would have the referees from one team's conference and the replay officials for the other team's conference to make it "fair" but that isn't right either. If you have Oklahoma vs Oregon you should not have officials, whether that be on field or replay, from either the Big 12 or the Pac 10.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2593870

 

PORTLAND, Ore. -- The instant replay official whose failure to overturn a bad call led to a narrow Oregon victory over Oklahoma said Monday he feels like he is under siege after threatening phone calls, including a death threat.

 

Gordon Riese said he would make a decision soon about whether to finish the season, or even whether to return next year.

 

"I'm struggling with it," Riese said in an interview at his home. "I feel so bad I missed that call, it's driving me crazy."

 

...

 

"I've felt much, much more pressure as an instant replay official than I ever did on the field," Riese said.

 

He said the equipment is not as sophisticated as NFL replay equipment and does not allow the official to freeze the frame. But Riese lays the blame on himself after replays showed that an onside kick was touched by an Oregon player before it had traveled the required 10 yards. The Ducks went on to score the go-ahead touchdown.

[adamb0719]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2593870

 

PORTLAND, Ore. -- The instant replay official whose failure to overturn a bad call led to a narrow Oregon victory over Oklahoma said Monday he feels like he is under siege after threatening phone calls, including a death threat.

 

Gordon Riese said he would make a decision soon about whether to finish the season, or even whether to return next year.

 

"I'm struggling with it," Riese said in an interview at his home. "I feel so bad I missed that call, it's driving me crazy."

 

...

 

"I've felt much, much more pressure as an instant replay official than I ever did on the field," Riese said.

 

He said the equipment is not as sophisticated as NFL replay equipment and does not allow the official to freeze the frame. But Riese lays the blame on himself after replays showed that an onside kick was touched by an Oregon player before it had traveled the required 10 yards. The Ducks went on to score the go-ahead touchdown.

Some people takes sports WAY to seriously.

[Butterscup1679666578]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2593870

 

PORTLAND, Ore. -- The instant replay official whose failure to overturn a bad call led to a narrow Oregon victory over Oklahoma said Monday he feels like he is under siege after threatening phone calls, including a death threat.

 

Gordon Riese said he would make a decision soon about whether to finish the season, or even whether to return next year.

 

"I'm struggling with it," Riese said in an interview at his home. "I feel so bad I missed that call, it's driving me crazy."

 

...

 

"I've felt much, much more pressure as an instant replay official than I ever did on the field," Riese said.

 

He said the equipment is not as sophisticated as NFL replay equipment and does not allow the official to freeze the frame. But Riese lays the blame on himself after replays showed that an onside kick was touched by an Oregon player before it had traveled the required 10 yards. The Ducks went on to score the go-ahead touchdown.

Some people takes sports WAY to seriously.

 

No kidding. That poor guy. Mistakes happen, and while it's understandable for fans to be upset, some just take it WAY too far.

[imb]

i feel really bad for the replay guy, as mad as i am about the screw up.

 

The refs are equally at fault. watch this video, despite all the chaos in the onside kick, OU recovered the ball, and it wasnt even close. watch this video.

 

http://www.danwoody.com/vids/OREGON.mov

[soccer10k]

i feel really bad for the replay guy, as mad as i am about the screw up.

 

The refs are equally at fault. watch this video, despite all the chaos in the onside kick, OU recovered the ball, and it wasnt even close. watch this video.

 

http://www.danwoody.com/vids/OREGON.mov

 

Wow. I figured an Oregon player recovered the ball, was down, and then somebody pulled the ball away and then OU got the ball. But yeah, that wasn't close. OU got screwed twice on the same play.

[CuseCubFan69]

i feel really bad for the replay guy, as mad as i am about the screw up.

 

The refs are equally at fault. watch this video, despite all the chaos in the onside kick, OU recovered the ball, and it wasnt even close. watch this video.

 

http://www.danwoody.com/vids/OREGON.mov

 

I hate it when officials assume what is going to happen instead of watching it develop.

 

Exactly...that is the thing that bothers me. The refs on the field are blowing calls up the ying yang and then the pressure ends up on the guy in the both. Syracuse had a guy catch the ball in the end zone and had both feet down against Iowa but the field refs called it incomplete but the replay clearly showed he had 2 feet in, obviously one more than needed. I watched the two refs on the replay and both were watching to see if he was going to bobble it instead of one at the feet and the other the ball. He didn't bobble it and it was still called incomplete. I understand human error and no one is perfect but you can at least be in position to make the call.

 

By the way, nothings bothers me more than a ref taking the game away from the players on the field, nothing.

[Jon]

i feel really bad for the replay guy, as mad as i am about the screw up.

 

The refs are equally at fault. watch this video, despite all the chaos in the onside kick, OU recovered the ball, and it wasnt even close. watch this video.

 

http://www.danwoody.com/vids/OREGON.mov

I don't think I've ever seen that happen before.

[adamb0719]

i feel really bad for the replay guy, as mad as i am about the screw up.

 

The refs are equally at fault. watch this video, despite all the chaos in the onside kick, OU recovered the ball, and it wasnt even close. watch this video.

 

http://www.danwoody.com/vids/OREGON.mov

 

I hate it when officials assume what is going to happen instead of watching it develop.

Reminds me of a play in High School. Play Action, our QB fakes the handoff, the RB (without the ball) falls down at the line of scrimmage. The refs blow the play dead, while out QB is passing to a wide open reciever for a game winning touchdown. They had to call the TD back due to the refs not paying attention and blowing the play dead, and we lose the game--not to mention get knocked out of the playoffs.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I just found out this is the same ref who screwed up the Reggie Bush fumble call (should have been a UCLA touchdown) in the 2004 USC-UCLA game which was a 10-point swing in a 5-point UCLA loss. :x

[imb]

I just found out this is the same ref who screwed up the Reggie Bush fumble call (should have been a UCLA touchdown) in the 2004 USC-UCLA game which was a 10-point swing in a 5-point UCLA loss. :x

 

That call meant that we lost to usc instead of auburn that year.