Upgrading in LF?

[gflore34]

What of letting Pierre walk, moving Jones to CF, Murton to RF and signing Carlos Lee to play LF in addition to signing Soriano to play 2B? Go with a lineup of:

 

Murton

Barrett

D. Lee

Ramirez

C. Lee

Soriano

Jones

Izturis

P

 

I'm warming to the idea of letting Murton lead off but do you think their is a manager in baseball (outside of Francona maybe) who would let Murton do it?

 

Given that collection, if there's a Manager who values having runners on base ahead of his 3,4, and 5 hitters, Murton makes the most sense. Doesn't he? A lead off hitter doesn't necessarily have to be fast (unless you're Dusty Baker), give me a lead off hitter who gets on and is a good base runner over a speed merchant any day.

[neely crenshaw]

if we had a 3-6 of dlee,c.lee,soriano and aram...not too mention a 7 of j.jones...all we need is guys on in front of them, doesn't matter how fast or if they even could steal a base.

[gflore34]

What of letting Pierre walk, moving Jones to CF, Murton to RF and signing Carlos Lee to play LF in addition to signing Soriano to play 2B? Go with a lineup of:

 

Murton

Barrett

D. Lee

Ramirez

C. Lee

Soriano

Jones

Izturis

P

 

Of course, the Cubs have never signed two name FA's, in that case, I like vance' idea of trading for Marcus Giles (and still signing C. Lee), he'd look very good in two spot:

 

Murton

Giles

D. Lee

Ramirez

Barrett

C. Lee

Jones

Izturis

P

 

this might be a better lineup than the one above...

[biittner77]

Having Murton leads off would mean that they could get someone like Adam Kennedy to play 2nd and bat 2nd. In that bizzaro world where Hendry lefts Murton lead off, he then trades Pie as part of a package for Andruw Jones.

[cjbucks]

What of letting Pierre walk, moving Jones to CF, Murton to RF and signing Carlos Lee to play LF in addition to signing Soriano to play 2B? Go with a lineup of:

 

Murton

Barrett

D. Lee

Ramirez

C. Lee

Soriano

Jones

Izturis

P

 

I'm warming to the idea of letting Murton lead off but do you think their is a manager in baseball (outside of Francona maybe) who would let Murton do it?

 

Given that collection, if there's a Manager who values having runners on base ahead of his 3,4, and 5 hitters, Murton makes the most sense. Doesn't he? A lead off hitter doesn't necessarily have to be fast (unless you're Dusty Baker), give me a lead off hitter who gets on and is a good base runner over a speed merchant any day.

 

I agree with you - I'm just wondering if anyone would do it because he's not fast

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I agree with you - I'm just wondering if anyone would do it because he's not fast

 

Who says he's not fast? He's been successful in 83% of his stolen base attempts (5/6). :wink:

 

In all honesty, he reminded me a little of Moises the other night when stealing 2nd. He may not be the speedster that Pierre is, but he picks the right moments and gets great jumps.

[cjbucks]

I agree with you - I'm just wondering if anyone would do it because he's not fast

 

Who says he's not fast? He's been successful in 83% of his stolen base attempts (5/6). :wink:

 

In all honesty, he reminded me a little of Moises the other night when stealing 2nd. He may not be the speedster that Pierre is, but he picks the right moments and gets great jumps.

 

I didn't say that correctly. He's not "fast" in the sterotypical I'm Dusty Baker or Joe Morgan and I haven't learned a single thing about baseball since 1974 mold.

[neely crenshaw]

i wonder if dlee and aram would know what to do if they two guys in front of them getting on base at .370 clip!

[Magnetic Curses]

i wonder if dlee and aram would know what to do if they two guys in front of them getting on base at .370 clip!

 

brady clark and ryan freel, come on down!

 

hendry, give up whatever you must to get these guys, whetever you must!

[gflore34]

i wonder if dlee and aram would know what to do if they two guys in front of them getting on base at .370 clip!

 

After the initial shock of having someone consistently on base, drive in more runs.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I agree with you - I'm just wondering if anyone would do it because he's not fast

 

Who says he's not fast? He's been successful in 83% of his stolen base attempts (5/6). :wink:

 

In all honesty, he reminded me a little of Moises the other night when stealing 2nd. He may not be the speedster that Pierre is, but he picks the right moments and gets great jumps.

 

I didn't say that correctly. He's not "fast" in the sterotypical I'm Dusty Baker or Joe Morgan and I haven't learned a single thing about baseball since 1974 mold.

 

I know -- I was just busting your chops. I agree with you.

[cjbucks]

I agree with you - I'm just wondering if anyone would do it because he's not fast

 

Who says he's not fast? He's been successful in 83% of his stolen base attempts (5/6). :wink:

 

In all honesty, he reminded me a little of Moises the other night when stealing 2nd. He may not be the speedster that Pierre is, but he picks the right moments and gets great jumps.

 

I didn't say that correctly. He's not "fast" in the sterotypical I'm Dusty Baker or Joe Morgan and I haven't learned a single thing about baseball since 1974 mold.

 

I know -- I was just busting your chops. I agree with you.

 

I've got no disagreements with anyone sporting a Hawk helmet!

[CuseCubFan69]

I agree with you - I'm just wondering if anyone would do it because he's not fast

 

Who says he's not fast? He's been successful in 83% of his stolen base attempts (5/6). :wink:

 

In all honesty, he reminded me a little of Moises the other night when stealing 2nd. He may not be the speedster that Pierre is, but he picks the right moments and gets great jumps.

 

I didn't say that correctly. He's not "fast" in the sterotypical I'm Dusty Baker or Joe Morgan and I haven't learned a single thing about baseball since 1974 mold.

 

I know -- I was just busting your chops. I agree with you.

 

I've got no disagreements with anyone sporting a Hawk helmet!

 

You will after they lose this weekend! :sunny:

 

Hey, I want fast, strong armed power hitting good IsoD guys that have a great clubhouse presence that sign autographs in the stands for hours after the game.

[cjbucks]

I agree with you - I'm just wondering if anyone would do it because he's not fast

 

Who says he's not fast? He's been successful in 83% of his stolen base attempts (5/6). :wink:

 

In all honesty, he reminded me a little of Moises the other night when stealing 2nd. He may not be the speedster that Pierre is, but he picks the right moments and gets great jumps.

 

I didn't say that correctly. He's not "fast" in the sterotypical I'm Dusty Baker or Joe Morgan and I haven't learned a single thing about baseball since 1974 mold.

 

I know -- I was just busting your chops. I agree with you.

 

I've got no disagreements with anyone sporting a Hawk helmet!

 

You will after they lose this weekend! :sunny:

 

Hey, I want fast, strong armed power hitting good IsoD guys that have a great clubhouse presence that sign autographs in the stands for hours after the game.

 

:lol: :lol:

[marc_foust]

Here is my solution for the outfield:

 

First do whatever it takes to keep ARam, then Let Pierre walk

 

Try to pry Miguel Cabrera (RF) from the marlins for Guzman, Ryu, and Fontenot. Then sign Loretta for about 4-5 mil. If that happens, move Jacque to center.

 

If not then work out a trade with the Braves for Andruw Jones and Marcus Giles. Maybe a package of Pie, Mateo, Fontenot, and Guzman. Leave Jacque in right, but give him off days against leftys with either Restovich, or some other cheap FA.

 

I would not try to sign a FA pitcher unless it is a Zito, Scmidt, or Japanese guy, because one of our younger arms could proably put up comparable numbers to the other options for a lot less.

 

Having said that though, I wouldnt mind to see us give out a Wade Miller like contract to Mark Mulder this year. Another low risk-high reward with a team option for a second year. If nothing else he may provide some veteran leadership for a young rotation, plus he and Prior could throw towels together.

 

Lineup:

Giles/Murton

Murton/Loretta

Lee

ARam

AJones/Cabrera

JJones

Barrett

Izturis

 

Go with a rotation of Z, Hill, Marshall/Guzman, Prior/Mulder, Ryu/Marmol/O'Malley/any other young arm in our system

[A New Era]

Here is my solution for the outfield:

 

Try to pry Miguel Cabrera (RF) from the marlins for Guzman, Ryu, and Fontenot.

 

Common, be realistic. Do you really think the Marlins let go of Cabrera where the BIGGEST guy in the trade they get is Angel Guzman!?

 

Try Pie, Hill, Mateo, and Ryu then you might have a chance. In the end, to get Cabrera you're going to have to strip yourself of some of the important peices you need for next year. Namely, Hill.

[mg420]

Here is my solution for the outfield:

 

Try to pry Miguel Cabrera (RF) from the marlins for Guzman, Ryu, and Fontenot.

 

Common, be realistic. Do you really think the Marlins let go of Cabrera where the BIGGEST guy in the trade they get is Angel Guzman!?

 

Try Pie, Hill, Mateo, and Ryu then you might have a chance. In the end, to get Cabrera you're going to have to strip yourself of some of the important peices you need for next year. Namely, Hill.

 

i would much rather see the cubs keep hill & pie and let murton play lf in 2007 than to trade them for cabrera.

[A New Era]

Here is my solution for the outfield:

 

Try to pry Miguel Cabrera (RF) from the marlins for Guzman, Ryu, and Fontenot.

 

Common, be realistic. Do you really think the Marlins let go of Cabrera where the BIGGEST guy in the trade they get is Angel Guzman!?

 

Try Pie, Hill, Mateo, and Ryu then you might have a chance. In the end, to get Cabrera you're going to have to strip yourself of some of the important peices you need for next year. Namely, Hill.

 

i would much rather see the cubs keep hill & pie and let murton play lf in 2007 than to trade them for cabrera.

 

Well I do too. But I WOULD like cabrera. . I'd actually prefer we just went with Pie in Center next year, freeing up even MORE money to spend. But I have to figure he won't so I'd actually be up to giving up Pie and some top AA pitching prospects for Cabrera.

[JeffH]

Pie won't be available to trade for Cabrera.

 

Pie is going to be sent to the Marlins as compensation for signing Joe "I had to be forced to play the kids" Girardi.

 

Murton will be traded for the rights to Todd Noel.

[marc_foust]

Here is my solution for the outfield:

 

Try to pry Miguel Cabrera (RF) from the marlins for Guzman, Ryu, and Fontenot.

 

Common, be realistic. Do you really think the Marlins let go of Cabrera where the BIGGEST guy in the trade they get is Angel Guzman!?

 

Try Pie, Hill, Mateo, and Ryu then you might have a chance. In the end, to get Cabrera you're going to have to strip yourself of some of the important peices you need for next year. Namely, Hill.

 

i would much rather see the cubs keep hill & pie and let murton play lf in 2007 than to trade them for cabrera.

 

Well I do too. But I WOULD like cabrera. . I'd actually prefer we just went with Pie in Center next year, freeing up even MORE money to spend. But I have to figure he won't so I'd actually be up to giving up Pie and some top AA pitching prospects for Cabrera.

 

++I apologize, I meant for Fontenot to be Pie. My mistake.++

 

I was not syaing to pull Murton off of the field, I was saying to pull off Pierre. The only player I would try not to include would be Hill. Maybe toss in Guzman and throw in our third base prospect that just got called up. I know it may be overpaying to some, but I will take MVP caliber stats from a young, cheap player over some unknowns like Pie, Guzman, etc who will prolly be the second coming of CPatt.

 

I know what you guys mean about saving money to sign other players, but who exactly would you like throw that money at, Zito, Schmidt, Soriano? All of whom are going to be extremely overpericed. If we are able to secure Cabrera and find a decent second baseman (Giles, Loretta, etc) Our lineup will be very good, maybe even great.

[Magnetic Curses]

as far as landing cabrera, we have nothing that could beat anything that any other team could offer.

 

we have virtually no highly thought of prospects in our system.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

as far as landing cabrera, we have nothing that could beat anything that any other team could offer.

 

we have virtually no highly thought of prospects in our system.

 

We might could land Cabrera, but it would cost a package that would include Pie, Marshall or Hill, and one more of Gallagher, Veal, Paweleck, or Marmol.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

as far as landing cabrera, we have nothing that could beat anything that any other team could offer.

 

we have virtually no highly thought of prospects in our system.

 

Pie and Veal are probably in the top 50 of all of baseball after this season.

[illiniguy]

as far as landing cabrera, we have nothing that could beat anything that any other team could offer.

 

we have virtually no highly thought of prospects in our system.

I disagree, we actually are lucky that we kept drafting pitchers. I would think most teams would be interested in Gallagher, Veal, and Pawelek. That and with the guys in front of Pie getting the call I would say he might be top 20 in all of baseball.

[RichHillIsABeast]

as far as landing cabrera, we have nothing that could beat anything that any other team could offer.

 

we have virtually no highly thought of prospects in our system.

 

Pie and Veal are probably in the top 50 of all of baseball after this season.

 

Which means there are plenty of teams with more highly thought of prospects to offer up in trade. The Marlins need position prospects more than pitching prospects. Pie isn't an elite prospect, especially after this season's meh showing. They're not going to take pitching prospects from us and then swap them for position prospects, so we're pretty much out of the Cabrera bidding from the start.