Cubs Complete Trade with Minnesota, Make Three Other Moves

[mg420]

It's not a robbery when you get nothing of value.

 

if aardsma can get his breaking pitch over the plate he can be very effective imo.

[goonys evil twin]

It's not a robbery when you get nothing of value.

 

if aardsma can get his breaking pitch over the plate he can be very effective imo.

 

He's no better than Jon Leicester or Todd Wellemeyer or any of the other billion nice arm relievers who need a lot of ifs to come into play to be effective.

[Guest]

Last I looked, Welly's been money for KC.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Last I looked, Welly's been money for KC.

 

More walks than K's and a WHIP over 1.5

[mg420]

Last I looked, Welly's been money for KC.

 

More walks than K's and a WHIP over 1.5

 

42 bb & 47 k's??

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Last I looked, Welly's been money for KC.

 

More walks than K's and a WHIP over 1.5

 

42 bb & 47 k's??

 

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/dt/welleto01.shtml

 

I was looking at his numbers just as a Royal.

[neely crenshaw]

the problem isn't that we rob or didn't rob sf...the problem i have is we got nothing for a uninjured 23-24 year old starter that has had success in the b igs...we got zip- and i'm sorry if the a's grabbed him...he was probably worth hanging onto.

with our great pitching...we really can't afford to give away anyone. 6 months ago he was looked at as a lock to be #3...without factoring in anything to do with hawkins, this was a very poor deal. if williams sits in the minors for 5 more years...he costs us very-very little and would still be 29! that's 5 years from now...and we gave him away for nothing..

[garsky]

the problem isn't that we rob or didn't rob sf...the problem i have is we got nothing for a uninjured 23-24 year old starter that has had success in the b igs...we got zip- and i'm sorry if the a's grabbed him...he was probably worth hanging onto.

with our great pitching...we really can't afford to give away anyone. 6 months ago he was looked at as a lock to be #3...without factoring in anything to do with hawkins, this was a very poor deal. if williams sits in the minors for 5 more years...he costs us very-very little and would still be 29! that's 5 years from now...and we gave him away for nothing..

 

We gained back a spot on the 40-man to give to a more deserving young player.

[neely crenshaw]

i would place big, big money that ryu is never ever anything near what williams is and will be. so if he is more deserving then you can have him.

how about walrond? is he more deserving? bynum..yeah a lot of upside there!

we have so many worthless spots on our forty man, that jerome williams is hardly the odd man out!

it was a bad move by a bad gm...

[BigbadB]

And how the Cubs spent the money saved through this trade (on Neifi and Rusch perhaps) is immaterial to this discussion.

 

It's sarcasm. I don't know what Hendry spent the 4.1m on. It could have been spent on anyone.

[Guest]

i would place big, big money that ryu is never ever anything near what williams is and will be. so if he is more deserving then you can have him.

how about walrond? is he more deserving? bynum..yeah a lot of upside there!

we have so many worthless spots on our forty man, that jerome williams is hardly the odd man out!

it was a bad move by a bad gm...

You're judging Williams based on what he was several years ago. He's not that player any longer.

 

When you compare what Williams is now to what Ryu currently is, well, there's simply no comparison. Ryu's stuff and results are undeniably and significantly better than Jerome's. But there's also a character issue here. Yes, Jerome had that #3 job his for the taking this spring. But he screwed over the team and himself by showing up significantly out of shape and not only losing his major league job, but being so bad he lost his AAA starting slot.

 

This transaction is not Jim Hendry's fault. This is squarely on the shoulders of Williams.

 

As for the others...Walrond will not last the winter on the 40 man roster. Neither will some others. But that doesn't mean that Williams deserved the spot. The Cubs will have to protect several minor leaguers that will be eligible for the Rule 5 draft if they're not added to the 40 man roster this winter. I'll take every one of those guys over Jerome at this point (and Walrond).

[BigbadB]

Agreed. However, there should be plenty of space on the 40 man roster when the time comes.

[neely crenshaw]

jerome williams did not make hendry give him away...hendry choose to do that. this is just another in a long line of decent prospects...especially pitchers that we have had huge hopes for and then gotten nothing or next to nothing for....

and as i said i will bet big money ryu does not sniff the success that williams has had or will have...

 

i have a sneaking suspiscion that the oakland organization has more of a clue than the cubs organization does.

[Guest]

jerome williams did not make hendry give him away...hendry choose to do that. this is just another in a long line of decent prospects...especially pitchers that we have had huge hopes for and then gotten nothing or next to nothing for....

and as i said i will bet big money ryu does not sniff the success that williams has had or will have...

 

i have a sneaking suspiscion that the oakland organization has more of a clue than the cubs organization does.

Whereas my suspicion is that the A's don't have nearly the number of prospects to protect, leaving them with 40 man roster flexibility to take a chance on Williams rebounding if he goes back to the Bay area where he had his past success.

[BeerHere]

Williams blew his chance, plain and simple. I hope he realizes the opportunity staring him in the face and turns it around in Oakland. I doubt it happens but I wish him the best of luck.

[Brian]

jerome williams did not make hendry give him away...hendry choose to do that. this is just another in a long line of decent prospects...especially pitchers that we have had huge hopes for and then gotten nothing or next to nothing for....

 

But Jerome performed so badly this year he was bumped down to mostly AAA releiving. He went from an every 5th day starter we needed to a AAA reliever in such a short time there is no way Hendry could have traded him for value. hendry can't force a team to give up a something for someone. i can guarentee that if he had been left rostered and a minor leaguer was exposed to Rule 5 and taken by another team, there would be the same number of posts "why is williams on the roster???"

 

There are plenty of reasons to be angry and Jim Hendry, I just don't think this is one of them.

[SouthSideRyan]

jerome williams did not make hendry give him away...hendry choose to do that. this is just another in a long line of decent prospects...especially pitchers that we have had huge hopes for and then gotten nothing or next to nothing for....

and as i said i will bet big money ryu does not sniff the success that williams has had or will have...

 

i have a sneaking suspiscion that the oakland organization has more of a clue than the cubs organization does.

 

Bear in mind, Williams made it all the way to the A's on the waiver priority list. There were a lot of pitching starved teams out there who could use a cheap alternative in Williams and passed.

[NorthsideAvenger]

jerome williams did not make hendry give him away...hendry choose to do that. this is just another in a long line of decent prospects...especially pitchers that we have had huge hopes for and then gotten nothing or next to nothing for....

and as i said i will bet big money ryu does not sniff the success that williams has had or will have...

 

i have a sneaking suspiscion that the oakland organization has more of a clue than the cubs organization does.

 

Hey neely, think about that for a second?

 

No Hendry didn't have to give him away for nothing,but considering he was nothing, it's pretty much a wash. As someone mention Williams went from being a potential starter in the BIG LEAGUES, to being a bad reliever in AAA. I hate to break it to you, but Williams had no value. And IF Hendry could've traded him, he would,and my best guess is...the only kind of value Williams could've brought back, was prolly some 30 yr old AAA journeyman. So, while you still remember Jerome as one of the Giants TOP prospects, the rest of us are living in the land of reality. And the reality is...Jerome Williams could be out of baseball, within the next 2 yrs, if he doesn't get his act straight.

 

Ans SoutsideRyan made a great point, there were alot of pitching starve teams that could have place a waiver on him (KC, Seattle, Pitts, Baltimore, etc). So what does that tell you, that even the most pitching starved teams wouldn't have taken a shot at him?

[JC]

It's not a robbery when you get nothing of value.

$4.1M in salary relief is more than nothing.

 

It's still robbery if the 4.1m in salary relief was given to Glendon Rusch and Neifi Perez.

 

Does this figure include the $ sent to San Fran in the deal?

[CuseCubFan69]

Granted, I wanted to keep Williams in the off season but I am curious on what kind of a haul he would have brought in if Hendry traded him then.

[neely crenshaw]

here is what i was thinking. we are a couple of weeks from the end of the season. we are going to have many changes on our forty man. we have many-many prospects already up before sept call ups. pie was not even coming..who do we really need to add to our 40 man in place of williams?at least at this point.i certainly do not see what the rush to drop williams is? we do not save big money(by dropping him) because he is in the minors...correct? he is 24 years old...if he spent the next 5 years in aaa trying to figure it out, he would still be only 29. there just seems to be a whole lot of reasons to hang on to him..regardless of performance. minor league ball is rarely about who is playing the best. isn't hill 2 years odler than williams and still trying to break in? williams may never reach his potential but i have to believe he has a better chance of doing something ryu...and probably some of the others.

the bottom line is this guys could have had some value..maybe a lot and without really having to, we gave him a way for nothing...we could do that anytime...why right now? i just don't see the pressing need to give him away.