Phil Nevin (Update: Traded to Minnesota)

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If it wasn't his MO on every deal he makes, than I wouldn't care too much. But my comment was originally made because Hendry seems to claim every time he makes a deal that it was a last minute thing that started a half hour or an hour before a deadline. I understand that other discussions may have been on going or whatever, but it continues to appear (through his own words) that he's doing all of his "fine" work at the last minute.

[CuseCubFan69]

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If it wasn't his MO on every deal he makes, than I wouldn't care too much. But my comment was originally made because Hendry seems to claim every time he makes a deal that it was a last minute thing that started a half hour or an hour before a deadline. I understand that other discussions may have been on going or whatever, but it continues to appear (through his own words) that he's doing all of his "fine" work at the last minute.

 

That's funny because that's how he got Lee too....after Baltimore backed out at the last minute.

[Quakers]

I find the comments on the timing of the trade a bit off. While I am not privy to what is happening in the front office, I have to believe that this season Hendry is not in the drivers seat as far as deal making goes. The best Hendry can do is to make sure it is known that the Cubs are aware of the fact that they are out of the race and are willing to move players for future considerations. Hendry then has to react to the offers from the other clubs. Now if we were in the hunt, then Hendry would have more of an ability to initiate trades.

[CubColtPacer]

I find the comments on the timing of the trade a bit off. While I am not privy to what is happening in the front office, I have to believe that this season Hendry is not in the drivers seat as far as deal making goes. The best Hendry can do is to make sure it is known that the Cubs are aware of the fact that they are out of the race and are willing to move players for future considerations. Hendry then has to react to the offers from the other clubs. Now if we were in the hunt, then Hendry would have more of an ability to initiate trades.

 

I would agree with that. Hendry's job is to let the other clubs know that certain players are available, but it won't do much good to call clubs and beg them to take players off their hands. Once those teams know those players are available, Hendry would just have to wait and see if anybody likes them enough to want to make an offer.

[E.J.]

Looks like Nevin pretty much worked out the trade with Minnesota himself:

 

Chicago Sports[/url]"]Nevin calling

 

As it turns out, it was Phil Nevin who went looking for a trade and, in fact, initiated talks that led to his departure to Minnesota.

 

Nevin called Twins manager Ron Gardenhire on Thursday morning, saying he would like to play there for the September stretch drive, according to a story in the Minneapolis Star Tribune. Hours later, the deal was consummated between GMs Terry Ryan and Jim Hendry, with the Cubs getting a player to be named.

[NorthsideAvenger]

Looks like Nevin pretty much worked out the trade with Minnesota himself:

 

Chicago Sports[/url]"]Nevin calling

 

As it turns out, it was Phil Nevin who went looking for a trade and, in fact, initiated talks that led to his departure to Minnesota.

 

Nevin called Twins manager Ron Gardenhire on Thursday morning, saying he would like to play there for the September stretch drive, according to a story in the Minneapolis Star Tribune. Hours later, the deal was consummated between GMs Terry Ryan and Jim Hendry, with the Cubs getting a player to be named.

 

Wasn't this the same guy that after he was dealt to the Cubs, said he prefer the NL style of ball over the AL? So, isn't kind of odd that he would initiate a trade to an AL team?

[Andy]

Looks like Nevin pretty much worked out the trade with Minnesota himself:

 

Chicago Sports[/url]"]Nevin calling

 

As it turns out, it was Phil Nevin who went looking for a trade and, in fact, initiated talks that led to his departure to Minnesota.

 

Nevin called Twins manager Ron Gardenhire on Thursday morning, saying he would like to play there for the September stretch drive, according to a story in the Minneapolis Star Tribune. Hours later, the deal was consummated between GMs Terry Ryan and Jim Hendry, with the Cubs getting a player to be named.

 

Wasn't this the same guy that after he was dealt to the Cubs, said he prefer the NL style of ball over the AL? So, isn't kind of odd that he would initiate a trade to an AL team?

Wants to play for a contender + no NL contenders have an opening at 1B = Nevin taking what he can get.

[NCCubFan]

Looks like Nevin pretty much worked out the trade with Minnesota himself:

 

Chicago Sports[/url]"]Nevin calling

 

As it turns out, it was Phil Nevin who went looking for a trade and, in fact, initiated talks that led to his departure to Minnesota.

 

Nevin called Twins manager Ron Gardenhire on Thursday morning, saying he would like to play there for the September stretch drive, according to a story in the Minneapolis Star Tribune. Hours later, the deal was consummated between GMs Terry Ryan and Jim Hendry, with the Cubs getting a player to be named.

 

Wasn't this the same guy that after he was dealt to the Cubs, said he prefer the NL style of ball over the AL? So, isn't kind of odd that he would initiate a trade to an AL team?

Wants to play for a contender + no NL contenders have an opening at 1B = Nevin taking what he can get.

Plus Nevin really being a DH and the NL not having the DH.

[NorthsideAvenger]

Looks like Nevin pretty much worked out the trade with Minnesota himself:

 

Chicago Sports[/url]"]Nevin calling

 

As it turns out, it was Phil Nevin who went looking for a trade and, in fact, initiated talks that led to his departure to Minnesota.

 

Nevin called Twins manager Ron Gardenhire on Thursday morning, saying he would like to play there for the September stretch drive, according to a story in the Minneapolis Star Tribune. Hours later, the deal was consummated between GMs Terry Ryan and Jim Hendry, with the Cubs getting a player to be named.

 

Wasn't this the same guy that after he was dealt to the Cubs, said he prefer the NL style of ball over the AL? So, isn't kind of odd that he would initiate a trade to an AL team?

Wants to play for a contender + no NL contenders have an opening at 1B = Nevin taking what he can get.

Plus Nevin really being a DH and the NL not having the DH.

 

I still find it odd.

[dew1679666265]

As was brought up by Dan Bernstein on The Score this evening....

 

Sosa traded for Hairston

Hairston traded for Nevin

Nevin traded for PTBNL

 

So in the trickle-down effect, "essentially", Sosa was traded for a PTBNL.

Sure, but the Cubs had Hairston on the team for about 1 1/3 seasons, a significant amount of time.

 

We also got Mike Fontenot in the Sosa deal and he's not doing half bad in AAA.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

As was brought up by Dan Bernstein on The Score this evening....

 

Sosa traded for Hairston

Hairston traded for Nevin

Nevin traded for PTBNL

 

So in the trickle-down effect, "essentially", Sosa was traded for a PTBNL.

Sure, but the Cubs had Hairston on the team for about 1 1/3 seasons, a significant amount of time.

 

We also got Mike Fontenot in the Sosa deal and he's not doing half bad in AAA.

 

He's also responsible for The Pope's death. That's my latest theory as to why he's on "the list".

[dew1679666265]

As was brought up by Dan Bernstein on The Score this evening....

 

Sosa traded for Hairston

Hairston traded for Nevin

Nevin traded for PTBNL

 

So in the trickle-down effect, "essentially", Sosa was traded for a PTBNL.

Sure, but the Cubs had Hairston on the team for about 1 1/3 seasons, a significant amount of time.

 

We also got Mike Fontenot in the Sosa deal and he's not doing half bad in AAA.

 

He's also responsible for The Pope's death. That's my latest theory as to why he's on "the list".

 

Hmm. Is Hendry catholic?

[NCCubFan]

He's also responsible for The Pope's death. That's my latest theory as to why he's on "the list".

Not to mention he's the real killer of Nicole Simpson.

[Backtobanks]

The PTNL in the Nevin deal is reported to be AA pitcher Alan Harben according to Ben Maller. Harben hasn't officially been announced because he has to pass through waivers.

[CuseCubFan69]

The PTNL in the Nevin deal is reported to be AA pitcher Alan Harben according to Ben Maller. Harben hasn't officially been announced because he has to pass through waivers.

 

Come on Btb....give us some numbers!!!! :D

 

Thanks for the info.

[Rob]

The PTNL in the Nevin deal is reported to be AA pitcher Alan Harben according to Ben Maller. Harben hasn't officially been announced because he has to pass through waivers.

 

Only Harben I know of is Adam Harben... of the Twins.

 

Stats!

[CubColtPacer]

It took me a minute to find Harben's numbers because apparently his first name is Adam :D. He's 23 years old-here are his last 3 years

 

2004-A ball-9-7, 3.09 ERA, 1.28 WHIP, 10.79 K/9

2005-High A Ball, 10-5, 2.66 ERA, 1.21 WHIP, 7.91 K/9

2006-AA, 3-7, 3.89 ERA, 1.49 WHIP, no K/9 numbers, 5.41 K/9

 

He went up to the Twins for a small time this season, had a 6.75 ERA in just under 7 innings. He's a right hander, 6-5, 210 pounds. The other thing I like about his numbers is that he's given up 16 HR's in the last 3 years combined. When I find more of a scouting report about what he throws, I'll post it.

[CuseCubFan69]

Not bad stats. I looked and he has had no previous arm injuries so I doubt that he is the right guy. Edited September 5, 2006 by CuseCubFan69

[CubColtPacer]

Ok-a little bit of information from a dated article (Harben was ranked as the Twins 11th best prospect before 2005, still looking for the one before 2006). He has a fastball that is in the low 90's that tops out at 97. He is supposed to have a big upside with good command of the strike zone. At that point, they said he needed to have more command of his slider and change. I know that's dated, but that will give you an idea-still looking for more recent info.

 

Edit: Apparently as that article said the command was only good with his fastball. The knock on him still is to improve his control-he's had a BB/9 rate around 4 most of his minor league career.

[CubColtPacer]

One more note on Harben that I noticed from his splits before somebody who knows a little more hopefully takes over. It seems like that most people want to make him a reliever, and his splits may tell why.

 

This year:

Against Right handers: .195/.328/.258 WHIP 1.13

Against Left Handers: .327/.423/.452 WHIP 2.05

 

I'm not sure if this is a trend that will continue (because I don't have splits for previous years) but this is a pretty extreme split.

[Brian]

Not bad stats. I looked and he has had no previous arm injuries so I doubt that he is the right guy.

 

give it time, having a C on your chest automatically begins to weaken ones arm.

[CuseCubFan69]

One more note on Harben that I noticed from his splits before somebody who knows a little more hopefully takes over. It seems like that most people want to make him a reliever, and his splits may tell why.

 

This year:

Against Right handers: .195/.328/.258 WHIP 1.13

Against Left Handers: .327/.423/.452 WHIP 2.05

 

I'm not sure if this is a trend that will continue (because I don't have splits for previous years) but this is a pretty extreme split.

 

So he's a roogy?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

From McKamey's prospect book:

 

"Able to win despite lesser base skills, but improved ability to work hitters and incorporate entire arsenal into mix. Throws with easy velocity, getting good movement to FB and SL, and could gain more with maturity. Will need to repeat arm Speed on CU and has capability"

 

FB ++++ (89-95 mph)

SL +++ (77-80)

CU ++

[Milli1306]

One more note on Harben that I noticed from his splits before somebody who knows a little more hopefully takes over. It seems like that most people want to make him a reliever, and his splits may tell why.

 

This year:

Against Right handers: .195/.328/.258 WHIP 1.13

Against Left Handers: .327/.423/.452 WHIP 2.05

 

I'm not sure if this is a trend that will continue (because I don't have splits for previous years) but this is a pretty extreme split.

 

So he's a roogy?

 

maybe, or maybe he's the 2nd coming of Jon Leiber...can't get lefties out, but pretty good against righties

[Mephistopheles]

Look at the split in his K:BB this year. His first half K:BB was 33:45 in 71.1 innings. His second half K:BB was 41:22 in 51.1 innings. Not great, but it's a marked improvement.