Assesment on Hill, so far?

[Guest]

i would still rather see marshall & mateo starting for the cubs than padilla. he might be healthier in 07 or he might have another 150 ip year but even when he's 100% he's not impressive enough for the cubs to spend 4 mil/ year on him imo. there is more than enough talent in the system pitching wise if the management would just have some confidence in them.

 

Marshall and Mateo have done nothing to indicate they could outperform Padilla next year, and neither is a safe bet for 200 IP (probably Hendry's biggest desire). I'd be happy with giving Padilla a 3/21m deal, it's not like his signing will mean there is no room for anybody else. Even if he's here, there would be 2 spots open. The Cubs can't ignore other pitchers because of the guys they already have.

 

and padilla is? i beg to differ. they can however avoid overpaying for often injured veteran's when they have plenty of talent in the system ready to contribute.

 

That was the plan this year and it didn't work. There's a difference between having arms that are ready to contribute, and having arms that can go give you 32 starts 200 IP and a 4.00 ERA.

 

If you're going to ignore what I said about Padilla's injury fine, but he's a much better bet to go 200 solid innings next year than Mateo or Marshall. It's not even close.

But even if you have to combine starts from Mateo and Marshall to get to the 200IP, would they perform any worse? I think so, but it's not a completely sure thing.

[goonys evil twin]

i would still rather see marshall & mateo starting for the cubs than padilla. he might be healthier in 07 or he might have another 150 ip year but even when he's 100% he's not impressive enough for the cubs to spend 4 mil/ year on him imo. there is more than enough talent in the system pitching wise if the management would just have some confidence in them.

 

Marshall and Mateo have done nothing to indicate they could outperform Padilla next year, and neither is a safe bet for 200 IP (probably Hendry's biggest desire). I'd be happy with giving Padilla a 3/21m deal, it's not like his signing will mean there is no room for anybody else. Even if he's here, there would be 2 spots open. The Cubs can't ignore other pitchers because of the guys they already have.

 

and padilla is? i beg to differ. they can however avoid overpaying for often injured veteran's when they have plenty of talent in the system ready to contribute.

 

That was the plan this year and it didn't work. There's a difference between having arms that are ready to contribute, and having arms that can go give you 32 starts 200 IP and a 4.00 ERA.

 

If you're going to ignore what I said about Padilla's injury fine, but he's a much better bet to go 200 solid innings next year than Mateo or Marshall. It's not even close.

But even if you have to combine starts from Mateo and Marshall to get to the 200IP, would they perform any worse? I think so, but it's not a completely sure thing.

 

I think something that is being ignored, or at least glossed over, is the fact that the Cubs have numerous rotation holes to fill.

 

They've got Zambrano and Hill, then 3 questions. If you signed Padilla, or something similar, you'd still have 2 spots open, not to mention a need for a 6th, or maybe 7th capable starter to call-up from the minors. Even if you get a healthy Prior back, there's still a spot for the imagined Marshall/Mateo combination.

[Brian]

Rich is so awesome he writes articles about himself

 

Next season, I'll be able to take what's happened the last couple months, from Triple-A to here, and have the confidence that comes from knowing I can pitch here.

 

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060918&content_id=1669015&vkey=news_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc

[Guest]

i would still rather see marshall & mateo starting for the cubs than padilla. he might be healthier in 07 or he might have another 150 ip year but even when he's 100% he's not impressive enough for the cubs to spend 4 mil/ year on him imo. there is more than enough talent in the system pitching wise if the management would just have some confidence in them.

 

Marshall and Mateo have done nothing to indicate they could outperform Padilla next year, and neither is a safe bet for 200 IP (probably Hendry's biggest desire). I'd be happy with giving Padilla a 3/21m deal, it's not like his signing will mean there is no room for anybody else. Even if he's here, there would be 2 spots open. The Cubs can't ignore other pitchers because of the guys they already have.

 

and padilla is? i beg to differ. they can however avoid overpaying for often injured veteran's when they have plenty of talent in the system ready to contribute.

 

That was the plan this year and it didn't work. There's a difference between having arms that are ready to contribute, and having arms that can go give you 32 starts 200 IP and a 4.00 ERA.

 

If you're going to ignore what I said about Padilla's injury fine, but he's a much better bet to go 200 solid innings next year than Mateo or Marshall. It's not even close.

But even if you have to combine starts from Mateo and Marshall to get to the 200IP, would they perform any worse? I think so, but it's not a completely sure thing.

 

I think something that is being ignored, or at least glossed over, is the fact that the Cubs have numerous rotation holes to fill.

 

They've got Zambrano and Hill, then 3 questions. If you signed Padilla, or something similar, you'd still have 2 spots open, not to mention a need for a 6th, or maybe 7th capable starter to call-up from the minors. Even if you get a healthy Prior back, there's still a spot for the imagined Marshall/Mateo combination.

I've been assuming that Padilla would be the second starter that you sign. I'm assuming the Cubs have to go after one of the troika (Zito, Schmidt, Daisuke) as the starting point.

 

So, if you have Z, Hill, (one of the above) as your top 3, then you're looking at the bottom two spots as some combination of Prior, reasonably cheap FA innings eater, youngn's. And the list of possible young pitchers is quite long with Marshall, Marmol, Mateo and Guzman along with outside chances of someone stepping up this coming spring like Ryu or Gallagher. Personally, I'm hoping that Guzman steps up and really locks down one spot because he's the most capable guy out there.

 

I think the Cubs would be best served by investing heavily in an ace-caliber guy and lightly in a Jason Johnson-type for the back end. Then you hope that between Prior and the young pitchers you have enough guys step up that Johnson gets DFA'd.

[illiniguy]

i would still rather see marshall & mateo starting for the cubs than padilla. he might be healthier in 07 or he might have another 150 ip year but even when he's 100% he's not impressive enough for the cubs to spend 4 mil/ year on him imo. there is more than enough talent in the system pitching wise if the management would just have some confidence in them.

 

Marshall and Mateo have done nothing to indicate they could outperform Padilla next year, and neither is a safe bet for 200 IP (probably Hendry's biggest desire). I'd be happy with giving Padilla a 3/21m deal, it's not like his signing will mean there is no room for anybody else. Even if he's here, there would be 2 spots open. The Cubs can't ignore other pitchers because of the guys they already have.

 

and padilla is? i beg to differ. they can however avoid overpaying for often injured veteran's when they have plenty of talent in the system ready to contribute.

 

That was the plan this year and it didn't work. There's a difference between having arms that are ready to contribute, and having arms that can go give you 32 starts 200 IP and a 4.00 ERA.

 

If you're going to ignore what I said about Padilla's injury fine, but he's a much better bet to go 200 solid innings next year than Mateo or Marshall. It's not even close.

But even if you have to combine starts from Mateo and Marshall to get to the 200IP, would they perform any worse? I think so, but it's not a completely sure thing.

 

I think something that is being ignored, or at least glossed over, is the fact that the Cubs have numerous rotation holes to fill.

 

They've got Zambrano and Hill, then 3 questions. If you signed Padilla, or something similar, you'd still have 2 spots open, not to mention a need for a 6th, or maybe 7th capable starter to call-up from the minors. Even if you get a healthy Prior back, there's still a spot for the imagined Marshall/Mateo combination.

I've been assuming that Padilla would be the second starter that you sign. I'm assuming the Cubs have to go after one of the troika (Zito, Schmidt, Daisuke) as the starting point.

 

So, if you have Z, Hill, (one of the above) as your top 3, then you're looking at the bottom two spots as some combination of Prior, reasonably cheap FA innings eater, youngn's. And the list of possible young pitchers is quite long with Marshall, Marmol, Mateo and Guzman along with outside chances of someone stepping up this coming spring like Ryu or Gallagher. Personally, I'm hoping that Guzman steps up and really locks down one spot because he's the most capable guy out there.

 

I think the Cubs would be best served by investing heavily in an ace-caliber guy and lightly in a Jason Johnson-type for the back end. Then you hope that between Prior and the young pitchers you have enough guys step up that Johnson gets DFA'd.

Prior is the whole key to our pitching staff. Z is great, Hill looks very good, we will try to add one of the top 3. If Prior can become even near the '03 version of himself we should have a very good rotation again.

[mg420]

i would still rather see marshall & mateo starting for the cubs than padilla. he might be healthier in 07 or he might have another 150 ip year but even when he's 100% he's not impressive enough for the cubs to spend 4 mil/ year on him imo. there is more than enough talent in the system pitching wise if the management would just have some confidence in them.

 

Marshall and Mateo have done nothing to indicate they could outperform Padilla next year, and neither is a safe bet for 200 IP (probably Hendry's biggest desire). I'd be happy with giving Padilla a 3/21m deal, it's not like his signing will mean there is no room for anybody else. Even if he's here, there would be 2 spots open. The Cubs can't ignore other pitchers because of the guys they already have.

 

and padilla is? i beg to differ. they can however avoid overpaying for often injured veteran's when they have plenty of talent in the system ready to contribute.

 

That was the plan this year and it didn't work. There's a difference between having arms that are ready to contribute, and having arms that can go give you 32 starts 200 IP and a 4.00 ERA.

 

If you're going to ignore what I said about Padilla's injury fine, but he's a much better bet to go 200 solid innings next year than Mateo or Marshall. It's not even close.

But even if you have to combine starts from Mateo and Marshall to get to the 200IP, would they perform any worse? I think so, but it's not a completely sure thing.

 

I think something that is being ignored, or at least glossed over, is the fact that the Cubs have numerous rotation holes to fill.

 

They've got Zambrano and Hill, then 3 questions. If you signed Padilla, or something similar, you'd still have 2 spots open, not to mention a need for a 6th, or maybe 7th capable starter to call-up from the minors. Even if you get a healthy Prior back, there's still a spot for the imagined Marshall/Mateo combination.

I've been assuming that Padilla would be the second starter that you sign. I'm assuming the Cubs have to go after one of the troika (Zito, Schmidt, Daisuke) as the starting point.

 

So, if you have Z, Hill, (one of the above) as your top 3, then you're looking at the bottom two spots as some combination of Prior, reasonably cheap FA innings eater, youngn's. And the list of possible young pitchers is quite long with Marshall, Marmol, Mateo and Guzman along with outside chances of someone stepping up this coming spring like Ryu or Gallagher. Personally, I'm hoping that Guzman steps up and really locks down one spot because he's the most capable guy out there.

 

I think the Cubs would be best served by investing heavily in an ace-caliber guy and lightly in a Jason Johnson-type for the back end. Then you hope that between Prior and the young pitchers you have enough guys step up that Johnson gets DFA'd.

Prior is the whole key to our pitching staff. Z is great, Hill looks very good, we will try to add one of the top 3. If Prior can become even near the '03 version of himself we should have a very good rotation again.

 

i second that assesment. if he can stay healthy, Z, prior, hill, marshall & mateo would make a formidable rotation imo.

[A New Era]

Let's get back to Rich Hill though. That is what this thread is about, after all. .

[Sammy Sofa]

i second that assesment. if he can stay healthy, Z, prior, hill, marshall & mateo would make a formidable rotation imo.

 

Why do you think Marshall AND Mateo are ready to step up like that. I think both have a lot of talent and bright futures ahead of them, but I've seem little to show that they could be the 4th and 5th starters next year in a roation that is still "formidable." They're just too raw.

[goonys evil twin]

I've been assuming that Padilla would be the second starter that you sign. I'm assuming the Cubs have to go after one of the troika (Zito, Schmidt, Daisuke) as the starting point.

 

So, if you have Z, Hill, (one of the above) as your top 3, then you're looking at the bottom two spots as some combination of Prior, reasonably cheap FA innings eater, youngn's. And the list of possible young pitchers is quite long with Marshall, Marmol, Mateo and Guzman along with outside chances of someone stepping up this coming spring like Ryu or Gallagher. Personally, I'm hoping that Guzman steps up and really locks down one spot because he's the most capable guy out there.

 

I think the Cubs would be best served by investing heavily in an ace-caliber guy and lightly in a Jason Johnson-type for the back end. Then you hope that between Prior and the young pitchers you have enough guys step up that Johnson gets DFA'd.

 

I'm assuming Hendry doesn't come close to signing a big money pitcher, and his efforts will be placed almost entirely on the decent arm that will give you 200 IP, with emphasis on the number, not quality, of innings. And he might go for two of them.

[Guest]

I've been assuming that Padilla would be the second starter that you sign. I'm assuming the Cubs have to go after one of the troika (Zito, Schmidt, Daisuke) as the starting point.

 

So, if you have Z, Hill, (one of the above) as your top 3, then you're looking at the bottom two spots as some combination of Prior, reasonably cheap FA innings eater, youngn's. And the list of possible young pitchers is quite long with Marshall, Marmol, Mateo and Guzman along with outside chances of someone stepping up this coming spring like Ryu or Gallagher. Personally, I'm hoping that Guzman steps up and really locks down one spot because he's the most capable guy out there.

 

I think the Cubs would be best served by investing heavily in an ace-caliber guy and lightly in a Jason Johnson-type for the back end. Then you hope that between Prior and the young pitchers you have enough guys step up that Johnson gets DFA'd.

 

I'm assuming Hendry doesn't come close to signing a big money pitcher, and his efforts will be placed almost entirely on the decent arm that will give you 200 IP, with emphasis on the number, not quality, of innings. And he might go for two of them.

Ah, you're talking reality. I'm suggesting what should be done.

[abuck1220]

does hendry believe the glendon rusch experience has run its course? i'm not so sure he does.

[CubColtPacer]

does hendry believe the glendon rusch experience has run its course? i'm not so sure he does.

 

I think he'll probably be on the roster, but probably not in the starting rotation. He's had 1 good year, 4 decent ones, and 2 terrible ones in the last 7 seasons-I hope he can get back to one of those decent seasons, and then we won't be too afraid to bring him out in long relief. If he is as bad next year as this year, I think he'll be gone by the end of May.

[HoopsCubs]

does hendry believe the glendon rusch experience has run its course? i'm not so sure he does.

 

I think he'll probably be on the roster, but probably not in the starting rotation. He's had 1 good year, 4 decent ones, and 2 terrible ones in the last 7 seasons-I hope he can get back to one of those decent seasons, and then we won't be too afraid to bring him out in long relief. If he is as bad next year as this year, I think he'll be gone by the end of May.

 

The best case scenario here, in my opinion, is that Glendon has a great Spring, some team has a devastating blow to their rotation and is in desperate need for a starter, and they are willing to take on Rusch if the Cubs pick up half of his salary (Rusch is making $3.25M in 2007). As far fetched as that scenario sounds, recall that Hendry was able to find a sucker, er team, to take Neifi off his hands.

[abuck1220]

hill loses to carpenter in his bid to be NL player of the week.

 

hill: 2-0, 14 2/3 ip, 0.61 era, 0.75 whip, 16 k's

carpenter: 2-0, 16 ip, 0.56 era, 0.94 whip, 15 k's

 

 

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

if the cubs hadn't made all those defensive miscues in his first start, he could have lasted longer and had a better case.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I think there's a strong liklihood that Rusch retires this offseason.

[TXCubsFan]

I think there's a strong liklihood that Rusch retires this offseason.

 

He'd be stupid if he didn't. He's earned enough to be set for life.

[WeberJazz]

I just noticed that Hill is now #2 on the staff with 6 wins. Wow, that is brutal.

[RyCubsFan]

I just noticed that Hill is now #2 on the staff with 6 wins. Wow, that is brutal.

 

Well, to be fair, Maddux had more on the Cubs before he was traded.

[C.C.]

Nice little kudos for Rich Hill in Rob Neyer's chat today on ESPN.COM:

 

Mike (Alexandria, VA) : Rob: Do you think the Cubs' Rich Hill has finally turned the corner and will be (at least) a serviceable starter for 2007? Or is this flash of brilliance merely that; a flash?

 

SportsNation Rob Neyer: (12:35 PM ET ) Rich Hill's really this good. He just need to make the adjustmend and/or get a bit luckier. I was never worried about him (though I was a bit worried about the Cubs' intelligence).

[TruffleShuffle]

Nice little kudos for Rich Hill in Rob Neyer's chat today on ESPN.COM:

 

Mike (Alexandria, VA) : Rob: Do you think the Cubs' Rich Hill has finally turned the corner and will be (at least) a serviceable starter for 2007? Or is this flash of brilliance merely that; a flash?

 

SportsNation Rob Neyer: (12:35 PM ET) Rich Hill's really this good. He just need to make the adjustment and/or get a bit luckier. I was never worried about him (though I was a bit worried about the Cubs' intelligence).

 

he makes a good point here

[Sammy Sofa]

I have yet to actually been able to see any of Hill's great games over the last month or so...will I jinx it if I finally watch him tonight?

[goonys evil twin]

I have yet to actually been able to see any of Hill's great games over the last month or so...will I jinx it if I finally watch him tonight?

 

He won't lose if you watch tonight.

[A New Era]

I have yet to actually been able to see any of Hill's great games over the last month or so...will I jinx it if I finally watch him tonight?

 

(tommorow). Rich Hills awesomeness needs to be seen. I get all tingly feelings all over when I see him pitching, knowing he's our pitcher.

[NCCubFan]

I have yet to actually been able to see any of Hill's great games over the last month or so...will I jinx it if I finally watch him tonight?

 

He won't lose if you watch tonight.

He won't win either. Guaranteed. :D

[TruffleShuffle]

Mixed results tonight - 3 HRs allowed and 4 ER in 5 IP, but also 10 strikeouts. Reds pretty much hit every pitch that was close to a mistake out of the park. Still, I like to see him missing all those bats.