The Soccer Thread

[imb]

Too many of the words are spelled correctly for it to be redflash.

[Guest]

You know who played soccer for a long time and is around 24 years old?

 

Nope.

 

 

I'm very curious what the source of this "FIFA re-considering red cards meaning a man down" news is.

[wolf stansson]

You know who played soccer for a long time and is around 24 years old?

OH MAN

[imb]

FREDDY ADU

[SouthSideRyan]

FREDDY ADU

 

FDADU

[CubInOK]

Da Bum?

[dew1679666265]

I suppose maybe I never saw a red card in a competitive league before and I'm sure recreation has different rules since its co-ed and everything. Eitherway that is a stupid rule, they don't play 4-5 in basketball when someone gets tossed.

 

There is nothing wrong the rule.

 

From the perspective of someone who isn't a soccer fan and has only really watched the most recent men's and women's World Cups:

 

It seems like an overly harsh rule to have a team play one person down when the calls can be so subjective as they pull red cards for. With the repercussions so severe (which is fine in and of itself), it seems like they should eliminate the subjectivity from it. For instance, pull a red card only on the most obviously blatant stuff and not for highly questionable calls like the one in the US/Brazil game. The Zidane headbutt, for example.

 

That may be a flawed view, but it's what I've kind of gleaned from very little soccer experience.

[shnsajax]

I suppose maybe I never saw a red card in a competitive league before and I'm sure recreation has different rules since its co-ed and everything. Eitherway that is a stupid rule, they don't play 4-5 in basketball when someone gets tossed.

 

There is nothing wrong the rule.

 

From the perspective of someone who isn't a soccer fan and has only really watched the most recent men's and women's World Cups:

 

It seems like an overly harsh rule to have a team play one person down when the calls can be so subjective as they pull red cards for. With the repercussions so severe (which is fine in and of itself), it seems like they should eliminate the subjectivity from it. For instance, pull a red card only on the most obviously blatant stuff and not for highly questionable calls like the one in the US/Brazil game. The Zidane headbutt, for example.

 

That may be a flawed view, but it's what I've kind of gleaned from very little soccer experience.

 

Straight reds are pretty much only for blatant stuff and you really don't see that many, im guessing between 5-10% of all cards issued are straight reds. Two yellow cards in the same game are much more common. At the same token, you are aware of the first yellow and should know to adjust your game and play a little bit more cautiously. Similar to playing with 5 fouls.

 

Every player knows what they have to do to earn a straight red and with a yellow fair warning has been issued. Also refs are a little more forgiving in issuing a 2nd yellow.

[shnsajax]

If Argentina doesn't beat Costa Rica, expect riots after the game.

[TruffleShuffle]

Straight reds are pretty much only for blatant stuff and you really don't see that many, im guessing between 5-10% of all cards issued are straight reds. Two yellow cards in the same game are much more common. At the same token, you are aware of the first yellow and should know to adjust your game and play a little bit more cautiously. Similar to playing with 5 fouls.

 

Every player knows what they have to do to earn a straight red and with a yellow fair warning has been issued. Also refs are a little more forgiving in issuing a 2nd yellow.

 

i hate when the ref goes to a straight red for a borderline call inside the box (see: USA-Brazil women's game). PK's have an 85% rate of effectiveness, so you're already punishing the offending team by giving the attacking team a 5 in 6 chance of scoring. like the scoring chance that was supposedly prevented by the foul yesterday - was marta 85% likely to score there? probably not. so not only does her team get, in my opinion, a better chance at scoring, but then they've got an extra player the remainder of the game, and the offending player has to sit out a subsequent game. i understand it if there's a blatant intentional handball to stop a sure goal or a player just grabs someone and hauls them down. but i've seen way too many players get thrown out for borderline calls or sloppy challenges... it just seems like triple punishment when the awarding of a PK is more than enough.

[shnsajax]

Straight reds are pretty much only for blatant stuff and you really don't see that many, im guessing between 5-10% of all cards issued are straight reds. Two yellow cards in the same game are much more common. At the same token, you are aware of the first yellow and should know to adjust your game and play a little bit more cautiously. Similar to playing with 5 fouls.

 

Every player knows what they have to do to earn a straight red and with a yellow fair warning has been issued. Also refs are a little more forgiving in issuing a 2nd yellow.

 

i hate when the ref goes to a straight red for a borderline call inside the box (see: USA-Brazil women's game). PK's have an 85% rate of effectiveness, so you're already punishing the offending team by giving the attacking team a 5 in 6 chance of scoring. like the scoring chance that was supposedly prevented by the foul yesterday - was marta 85% likely to score there? probably not. so not only does her team get, in my opinion, a better chance at scoring, but then they've got an extra player the remainder of the game, and the offending player has to sit out a subsequent game. i understand it if there's a blatant intentional handball to stop a sure goal or a player just grabs someone and hauls them down. but i've seen way too many players get thrown out for borderline calls or sloppy challenges... it just seems like triple punishment when the awarding of a PK is more than enough.

 

In the USA-Brazil game thats actually the way the rule is written. If you beat the last defender and are brought down taking away a goal scoring opportunity it is supposed to be a straight red. I do agree with you there given the penalty kick but there are cases where he is taken down outside the box to where the rule is effective and the reason for it.

[TruffleShuffle]

In the USA-Brazil game thats actually the way the rule is written. If you beat the last defender and are brought down taking away a goal scoring opportunity it is supposed to be a straight red. I do agree with you there given the penalty kick but there are cases where he is taken down outside the box to where the rule is effective and the reason for it.

 

yeah i get that it's a rule, but i just don't like the rule. maybe there could be a different rule for inside/outside the box?

 

an example of the type of reds that i hate is when there's a loose attacking player chasing down a ball in the box (kind of a breakaway, but the offensive player is chasing the ball rather than controlling it.) goalie comes out to try to smother the ball or knock it away, dives and clips the attacking player's foot, and the attacker goes down. on a lot of those plays the attacking player kicks the ball past the goalie, often kicks it too hard (to the point where it's either going out or would be a shot from a severe angle), and is rewarded with a PK and the goalie getting tossed from the game. just strikes me as a BS rule - like in hockey, i wouldn't want a team to play shorthanded the rest of the game if they haul down a guy on a breakaway... and goals are way less likely on the penalty shot in hockey than they are in soccer.

[EhDubya]

I'd argue that playing 1 person down is a little bit of an advantage, especially for what the US received the red card for. If you pull a Zidane and headbutt someone then maybe it is justified, but kicking a player out for his behavior in any sport and also penalizing the team is too extreme imo.

 

Also from what I heard from ESPN FIFA is going to reconsider the rule since a lot of people evidently complain about it.

 

I need you to post more, please.

[shnsajax]

Now if a goalie takes down the man its not an automatic red, usually a yellow though not always the case.

 

I wouldn't be surprised to see an adjustment made to this rule at some point. For me a yellow and an automatic PK is enough.

[Cubbies622]

I'd argue that playing 1 person down is a little bit of an advantage, especially for what the US received the red card for. If you pull a Zidane and headbutt someone then maybe it is justified, but kicking a player out for his behavior in any sport and also penalizing the team is too extreme imo.

 

Also from what I heard from ESPN FIFA is going to reconsider the rule since a lot of people evidently complain about it.

 

I need you to post more, please.

 

Am I really coming off to be that much of an idiot? I just started off asking a serious question and was given smart-alec responses back. I have a lot of experience playing US youth soccer but like I said before I have 0 experience watching soccer or anything FIFA. As some of you may know red cards aren't exactly common and they don't kick you out of the game without a sub in any games I've played. Ironically I loved playing soccer because I was good at it but I find it boring as sin to watch it on tv.

 

BTW when does the US play France? ESPN's soccer pages are poorly built.

[Cubbies622]

You know who played soccer for a long time and is around 24 years old?

 

Nope.

 

 

I'm very curious what the source of this "FIFA re-considering red cards meaning a man down" news is.

took me one minute on yahoo to find 3 sources

http://www.todayszaman.com/newsDetail_getNewsById.action?load=detay&newsId=243687&link=243687

http://thedailynewsegypt.com/football/saving-the-beautiful-game-a-radical-revision-of-the-rules-of-football-part-2.html

http://soccerlens.com/saving-the-beautiful-game-a-radical-revision-of-the-rules-of-football/69633/

 

I'd argue that playing 1 person down is a little bit of an advantage, especially for what the US received the red card for.

 

explain

 

Oh I see why everyone was giving me a hard time.

 

Edit

"I'd argue that playing 1 person down is a little bit too much of an advantage, especially for what the US received the red card for. "

 

Obviously it's an advantage...

[imb]

wait, goalies can use their hands but other players can't? Is this a new rule.

[Cubbies622]

Its a red card near the goal if it seems intentional.

[shnsajax]

What exactly are those three links supposed to say?

[SouthSideRyan]

 

I'm very curious what the source of this "FIFA re-considering red cards meaning a man down" news is.

took me one minute on yahoo to find 3 sources

http://www.todayszaman.com/newsDetail_getNewsById.action?load=detay&newsId=243687&link=243687

http://thedailynewsegypt.com/football/saving-the-beautiful-game-a-radical-revision-of-the-rules-of-football-part-2.html

http://soccerlens.com/saving-the-beautiful-game-a-radical-revision-of-the-rules-of-football/69633/

 

Those are all the same article. And none of them mention FIFA re-considering anything.

 

Oh I see why everyone was giving me a hard time.

 

Edit

"I'd argue that playing 1 person down is a little bit too much of an advantage, especially for what the US received the red card for. "

 

Obviously it's an advantage...

 

It's ok, you were probably watching futbol at the time.

[Cubbies622]

I was at work trying not to look like I was working so I didn't exactly double check what I typed.

 

Read a little bit beyond the first paragraph, yes I know it is the same text but it's from 3 different websites. Just read the part about yellow and red cards and them changing the rules.

[dew1679666265]

BTW when does the US play France? ESPN's soccer pages are poorly built.

 

Wednesday at 11:30 a.m. ET.

[shnsajax]

I was at work trying not to look like I was working so I didn't exactly double check what I typed.

 

Read a little bit beyond the first paragraph, yes I know it is the same text but it's from 3 different websites. Just read the part about yellow and red cards and them changing the rules.

 

All three are from the same author writing about what he would like to change, nothing to do with FIFA or any potential changes. All three sites are crap, and his idea is horrible!

[Guest]

An exercise physiologist saying "FIFA ought to take a look at this" in a random article is not the same as the governing body of world soccer considering changing a fundamental rule of the game.

[dew1679666265]

Straight reds are pretty much only for blatant stuff and you really don't see that many, im guessing between 5-10% of all cards issued are straight reds. Two yellow cards in the same game are much more common. At the same token, you are aware of the first yellow and should know to adjust your game and play a little bit more cautiously. Similar to playing with 5 fouls.

 

I was basing my comments on the US/Brazil game - an extremely subjective call that easily could have gone either way. To me if you're going to make a team play a person down on a call like that, then the rule needs to be altered.

 

If Sunday's call is the exception to the rule, however, and reds are supposed to only be issued on clearly blatant stuff then I don't have as big a problem with it. If those kinds of subjective calls garner reds on a consistent basis, however, I'd think something to the effect of kicking the player out but allowing a sub would be in order.

 

Every player knows what they have to do to earn a straight red and with a yellow fair warning has been issued. Also refs are a little more forgiving in issuing a 2nd yellow.

 

The double yellow makes sense to me since players have a chance to adjust their play after getting the first. It's the split second subjective decisions that garner a red (even if they shouldn't) that concern me. If calls like Sunday's are the norm - or even close to it - then I think the rule is too harsh.