Reds to Shut Down Homer Bailey Due to IPs?

[Laura]

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HOMER UPDATE: As well as Homer Bailey has pitched, there's a possibility his season will be coming to an end shortly.

 

He has thrown 123 innings this year. That's near the limit the Reds want for a 20-year-old.

 

"We're cognizant of it," general manager Wayne Krivsky said. "You've got to be careful about it. What you always want is 30 innings more than the year before."

 

Bailey threw 1032/3 innings at Single-A Dayton last year.

 

Bailey has been lights-out in AA.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

They're taking a good approach. I'm not surprised, given that they ruled out promoting him to the Reds despite Cincinnati being in the race.

[Mephistopheles]

The Yankees have also toned down Philip Hughes' workload of late. He hasn't gone more than five innings in a start in over a month.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Kevin Goldstein chat on BP:

 

Matt ((Chicago)): Will Carroll linked to an article today suggesting that the Reds will potentially be shutting down Homer Bailey as he approaches 130 IP (he is around 120 right now). Assuming that the organizational philosophy suggested by Wayne Krivsky in that article (that young pitchers won't throw more than 30 IP above where they ended the year before), where will/should Bailey start next year?

 

Kevin Goldstein: I'm not a big fan of absolutes, but I can understand the caution. On Opening Day 2007, Bailey will still be 20 years old. I'd just start him in AA again and hope he can earn a big-league look by mid-season.

[jaxxradio]

Just goes to show...yet again...nobody cares about championships in the minor leagues, only championships in the show. It's not about wins and losses in the business of the minors, it's about player development.

[goonys evil twin]

Just goes to show...yet again...nobody cares about championships in the minor leagues, only championships in the show. It's not about wins and losses in the business of the minors, it's about player development.

 

yep, as it should be.

[abuck1220]

Just goes to show...yet again...nobody cares about championships in the minor leagues, only championships in the show. It's not about wins and losses in the business of the minors, it's about player development.

 

do you disagree with that philosophy?

[jaxxradio]

No.. it's all about player development at this stage.. what I will disagree about though is the way pitchers, specifically starters, are handled these days.

 

There are two reasons why starting pitchers are often under-going elbow injuries these days:

 

1) They threw too many curveballs when they were kids

No child, boy or whatever you want to call a youngster should ever be allowed to throw a curveball. I would go as far as to say that there should be a rule OUTLAWING that pitch until the child, boy, youngster becomes a man (eighteen minimum). Fans, little league "coaches" and anyone else not familiar with that pitch have no clue how much damage it does to the elbow, especially when the player throwing it hasn't fully developed his muscles.

 

2) They don't throw enough in between starts

Call me "old-school" (heck, just call me Blue..) but the birth of the five man rotation was the beginning of the elbow problems in baseball. There is simply too much inactivity when it comes to throwing the baseball. Stopping and starting in terms of throwing the baseball is not good for the elbow. When guys were throwing every fourth day, 200 innings was no big deal and they didn't blow out there elbows because they were consistently throwing the baseball. I'll leave you with this food for thought.. Can you think of five Latin-American pitchers who have had major elbow surgery?? I can't.. and that's because they throw the ball all the time down there..

[CaliforniaRaisin]

1) They threw too many curveballs when they were kids

No child, boy or whatever you want to call a youngster should ever be allowed to throw a curveball. I would go as far as to say that there should be a rule OUTLAWING that pitch until the child, boy, youngster becomes a man (eighteen minimum). Fans, little league "coaches" and anyone else not familiar with that pitch have no clue how much damage it does to the elbow, especially when the player throwing it hasn't fully developed his muscles.

 

Not just that, but a lot of these kids who had learned how to throw a curveball were often taught incorrectly or improperly by parents, coaches, etc. which makes it even worse.

 

I think 18 is a bit too old to teach a curveball but 12-14 is far too young. Now if you outlawed curveballs in HS baseball, I'd actually been good enough in HS to play in college. :P

[snoodmonger]

Victor Zambrano

Jose Rijo

Mariano Rivera

Dotel

...

and...kerry woodriguez

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Didn't Livan go under the knife? Pedro and his brother?

[series65cubsfan]

Victor Zambrano

Jose Rijo

Mariano Rivera

Dotel

...

and...kerry woodriguez

 

For some reason that is so funny to me. I'm here at work with my boss and just busting up and my boss is really wondering :?: Cool, thanks for the laugh.

[WrigleyField 22]

1) They threw too many curveballs when they were kids

No child, boy or whatever you want to call a youngster should ever be allowed to throw a curveball. I would go as far as to say that there should be a rule OUTLAWING that pitch until the child, boy, youngster becomes a man (eighteen minimum). Fans, little league "coaches" and anyone else not familiar with that pitch have no clue how much damage it does to the elbow, especially when the player throwing it hasn't fully developed his muscles.

 

My middle school gym teacher used to do some some regional recruiting for a college and he said that if the pitcher was throwing a curveball before 16 he wouldn't even look at him.

[Flames24Rulz]

I think it's a good approach. The Cubs should do the same thing with Marshall, but they want to see how good he can do in these meaningless September games I guess.

[the splendid splinter]

Well, so much for getting shut down, Bailey pitched last night for 4.2 innings in Chat!!

[CubinNY]

Well, so much for getting shut down, Bailey pitched last night for 4.2 innings in Chat!!

 

I was at the game in Montgomery AL.

I also saw Evan Longoria who plays for the Biscuts.

 

Bailey has a real smooth delivery. It looks like he just tossing the ball and then you hear the pop of the mit. He was working in the low to mid 90's all night. topping out at 95. He seemed to have two off speed pitches, one in the mid 80s and another in the low 80s. I couldn't tell from my seat what they were though.

 

Bailey was impressive, but his fastball was very hittable (at least last night). He gave up 6 hits and two runs.

 

Longoria was 2 for 3, with two singles and a K. He's batting over .400 now.

 

Next week I'll be going to a Memphis Redbirds game.

 

Going to all these minor league games this week makes me think what a hard job it must be to be a scout.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Bailey has a real smooth delivery. It looks like he just tossing the ball and then you hear the pop of the mit. He was working in the low to mid 90's all night. topping out at 95. He seemed to have two off speed pitches, one in the mid 80s and another in the low 80s. I couldn't tell from my seat what they were though.

 

The one in the mid-80s was a 12-6 curve and the one in the low 80s was probably his change. Why did Homer only go 4.2 IP?

 

It's good to see Evan back in the lineup and healthy. Gotta root for the local kids. :)

[CubinNY]

Bailey has a real smooth delivery. It looks like he just tossing the ball and then you hear the pop of the mit. He was working in the low to mid 90's all night. topping out at 95. He seemed to have two off speed pitches, one in the mid 80s and another in the low 80s. I couldn't tell from my seat what they were though.

 

The one in the mid-80s was a 12-6 curve and the one in the low 80s was probably his change. Why did Homer only go 4.2 IP?

 

It's good to see Evan back in the lineup and healthy. Gotta root for the local kids. :)

 

He was a little wild and gave up back-to-back doubles in front of a single that should have beeen grabbed by the third baseman.