RUMOR: Ramirez to Anaheim if...

[Fro]

Santana could be making his last start tomarrow with the Angels. I would love to see him wearing a cubs uniform.

 

It would make too much sense...trade a player who may not be here next year and doesn't hustle for a young potentially great arm and a prospect or two.

 

It won't happen. Hendry usually gets the trades done, but doesn't usually trade for prospects for some reason. I still don't know how we got Murton in that deal.

 

Hendry hasn't been a seller at the trade deadline before.

[sporrer17]

Hendry hasn't been a seller at the trade deadline before.

 

Good point. I never really looked at it that way. I guess we've always been in contention or at least close in Hendry's tenure. Hopefully he can work some more trade magic, as the last few he's made have been mediocre at best.

[UK1679666180]

Santana could be making his last start tomarrow with the Angels. I would love to see him wearing a cubs uniform.

 

It would make too much sense...trade a player who may not be here next year and doesn't hustle for a young potentially great arm and a prospect or two.

 

It won't happen. Hendry usually gets the trades done, but doesn't usually trade for prospects for some reason. I still don't know how we got Murton in that deal.

 

Hendry hasn't been a seller at the trade deadline before.

 

He was GM in '02 and traded Fassero to STL and Gordon to Houston, those were his 1st two trades as GM.

[bhogg]

we're almost 10 games outta the wild card. we're buyers now, dudes!

[JGalt73]

Let's buy some good young players and a manager that knows how to use them.

[Mark_R]

It's still not enough for me to want to trade Aramis.

 

We get it. You love Ramirez. What is wrong about acquiring a pretty good MI prospect and getting a top of the rotation guy?

[illiniguy]

It's still not enough for me to want to trade Aramis.

 

We get it. You love Ramirez. What is wrong about acquiring a pretty good MI prospect and getting a top of the rotation guy?

I would do this trade. Lock urior rebounds and our staff is young and good again.

[nilodnayr]

Anyone who thinks we can get LaRoche for Maddux is absolutely ridiculous. Maddux and Pie probably won't even get LaRoche. If we could package Maddux and some of our wonderful minor league pitching talent for Guzman, who apparently the Dodgers have soured a bit on, that would be ideal.

[sporrer17]

Anyone who thinks we can get LaRoche for Maddux is absolutely ridiculous. Maddux and Pie probably won't even get LaRoche. If we could package Maddux and some of our wonderful minor league pitching talent for Guzman, who apparently the Dodgers have soured a bit on, that would be ideal.

 

Maddux and Guzman/Hill for Joel Guzman. Then I guess we go into next year assuming Joel will play LF for the Cubs, or maybe play 3b if Ramirez is gone? His power potential would be nice to have in the lineup at his price.

[nilodnayr]

Anyone who thinks we can get LaRoche for Maddux is absolutely ridiculous. Maddux and Pie probably won't even get LaRoche. If we could package Maddux and some of our wonderful minor league pitching talent for Guzman, who apparently the Dodgers have soured a bit on, that would be ideal.

 

Maddux and Guzman/Hill for Joel Guzman. Then I guess we go into next year assuming Joel will play LF for the Cubs, or maybe play 3b if Ramirez is gone? His power potential would be nice to have in the lineup at his price.

I meant for him to play 3B with the assumption we trade ARAM and he doesnt resign with us in the offseason.

[EastonBlues22]

Out of curiousity, why would the Angels give up that much for a guy unless they had assurances that he would play out the rest of his contract? The Angels aren't going to give up something along the lines of Santana and Aybar for a short-term rental when that's their offer for 3 years or whatever of Tejada.

 

Also, to whoever noted that the Cards might not pick up Edmonds' option...there's a $3 million buyout, so essentially it's only costing them $7 million more to keep him.

 

Even with his decline, Edmonds for one year at $7 million >> any other player available considering the current market and how many years it would likely take to sign them.

[davearm]

The great thing about Joel Guzman is that he can play 3B if no ARam, or OF if ARam's back (or never left).

 

LaRoche sounds fantastic, and in a vaccuum, I'd certainly prefer him to Guzman. But Guzman's positional flexibility (and LaRoche's inflexibility, which limit the options on handling this ARam situation) goes a long way toward bridging the gap between the two guys, IMO.

 

Either guy for, say, Maddux and Hill would be a huge win for the Cubs, IMO.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

The great thing about Joel Guzman is that he can play 3B if no ARam, or OF if ARam's back (or never left).

 

LaRoche sounds fantastic, and in a vaccuum, I'd certainly prefer him to Guzman. But Guzman's positional flexibility (and LaRoche's inflexibility, which limit the options on handling this ARam situation) goes a long way toward bridging the gap between the two guys, IMO.

 

Either guy for, say, Maddux and Hill would be a huge win for the Cubs, IMO.

 

Guzman is an inferior hitter though, you'd be gambling away a better player for the flexibility.

[sporrer17]

But you have to consider Guzman's upside as well. He's only what, 21? He's producing in AAA at the age of 21, he's 6'6, 250, and he's got okay speed (9 SB).

 

I am under the impression that if we are going to go into next year without Ramirez at 3b, then we may as well call it a "rebuilding" year. Get Guzman for 3b/LF and go after some prospects from the Angels for Ramirez. If we do plan on doing that though, Pie should be playing CF, Murton in LF/RF, and Jones/Pierre/Walker need to be gone.

[davearm]

The great thing about Joel Guzman is that he can play 3B if no ARam, or OF if ARam's back (or never left).

 

LaRoche sounds fantastic, and in a vaccuum, I'd certainly prefer him to Guzman. But Guzman's positional flexibility (and LaRoche's inflexibility, which limit the options on handling this ARam situation) goes a long way toward bridging the gap between the two guys, IMO.

 

Either guy for, say, Maddux and Hill would be a huge win for the Cubs, IMO.

 

Guzman is an inferior hitter though, you'd be gambling away a better player for the flexibility.

Guzman's drawn comparisons to Miguel Cabrera and Juan Gonzalez, and not so long ago was viewed as a better prospect than LaRoche. Heck he was the Dodgers' #1 on BA's list in 2005, with LaRoche at #5.

 

It's true that he's not progressed this year, but perhaps that creates a terrific buy-low opportunity.

[USSoccer]

It's still not enough for me to want to trade Aramis.

 

We get it. You love Ramirez. What is wrong about acquiring a pretty good MI prospect and getting a top of the rotation guy?

 

I don't think Santana's a top of the rotation guy. I don't think Aybar is anything special.

 

It's not a matter of me loving Ramirez. It's me thinking that it's not a wise deal. If you want to trade Aramis, it has to be in the right kind of deal. Santana & Aybar, IMO, isn't the right deal. It assumes that you can trade for a replacement 3B AND aquire a power hitter in the offseason. I have doubts as to Hendry's ability to do that. If Hendry's here, the safest course of action would be to keep Aramis and build around our current core, which isn't as bad as our record indicates this season. I think we contend more easily with Ramirez, Lee, Z, Prior and Barrett here to add pieces around.

Edited July 31, 2006 by USSoccer

[Sabermetrician]

The great thing about Joel Guzman is that he can play 3B if no ARam, or OF if ARam's back (or never left).

 

LaRoche sounds fantastic, and in a vaccuum, I'd certainly prefer him to Guzman. But Guzman's positional flexibility (and LaRoche's inflexibility, which limit the options on handling this ARam situation) goes a long way toward bridging the gap between the two guys, IMO.

 

Either guy for, say, Maddux and Hill would be a huge win for the Cubs, IMO.

 

Guzman can play SS too, I think. At least that's what he was brought up as.

[wilk]

Guzman can play SS too, I think. At least that's what he was brought up as.

 

Yes but he's not a SS anymore because he wasn't a very good one. Poor lateral movement, poor first step reads, etc. Doesn't have the quickness or instincts to play neither SS nor 3B in my opinion. He does have a strong arm though. I don't think anyone should project him anywhere but rightfield at this point.

Edited July 31, 2006 by wilk

[Rusch33]

Anyone worried now since the Angels, according to Rosenthal, have taken themselves out of the Tejada deal?

[A New Era]

Anyone worried now since the Angels, according to Rosenthal, have taken themselves out of the Tejada deal?

 

I was already worried when they said Angels are now cooling off an ramirez and shooting for soriano.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I knew Aramis was having a really good month, but I finally looked up the numbers. Wow.

 

July: 330/408/739/1146

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

It's still not enough for me to want to trade Aramis.

 

We get it. You love Ramirez. What is wrong about acquiring a pretty good MI prospect and getting a top of the rotation guy?

 

I don't think Santana's a top of the rotation guy. I don't think Aybar is anything special.

 

It's not a matter of me loving Ramirez. It's me thinking that it's not a wise deal. If you want to trade Aramis, it has to be in the right kind of deal. Santana & Aybar, IMO, isn't the right deal. It assumes that you can trade for a replacement 3B AND aquire a power hitter in the offseason. I have doubts as to Hendry's ability to do that. If Hendry's here, the safest course of action would be to keep Aramis and build around our current core, which isn't as bad as our record indicates this season. I think we contend more easily with Ramirez, Lee, Z, Prior and Barrett here to add pieces around.

 

Why do you question Hendry's ability to get players(3b and power hitter) in the off season? He acquired three of the core guys you listed (Lee, Ramirez and Barrett) through trade. How many people were excited about bringing Michael Barrett in to be the Cubs starting catcher? He did a pretty nice job there.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Anyone worried now since the Angels, according to Rosenthal, have taken themselves out of the Tejada deal?

 

I was already worried when they said Angels are now cooling off an ramirez and shooting for soriano.

 

Soriano has always been their #2 target behind Tejada.

[Laura]

LA Times[/url]"] A potential deal for Baltimore slugger Miguel Tejada was on life support Sunday, moving the focus of the Angels' pursuit of an impact bat before today's trading deadline to Washington slugger Alfonso Soriano. ...

 

Because Soriano will be a free agent after the season — and could be a two-month rental for the team acquiring him — the Angels aren't willing to part with as much talent for the Nationals' left fielder.

 

The Angels, according to sources, tried to build an offer around Aybar, triple-A left-hander Joe Saunders and an outfielder such as Reggie Willits or Tommy Murphy. The Nationals asked the Angels for infielder Howie Kendrick, who is virtually untouchable, and have shown interest in Adenhart.

 

Many believe Soriano's price will drop today, but Washington General Manager Jim Bowden said that his asking price "hasn't changed," and it "hasn't been met yet." ...

 

The Angels have also had trade talks involving third basemen Aramis Ramirez of the Chicago Cubs and Chad Tracy of the Arizona Diamondbacks.

[A New Era]

I don't think Santana's a top of the rotation guy. I don't think Aybar is anything special.

 

It's not a matter of me loving Ramirez. It's me thinking that it's not a wise deal. If you want to trade Aramis, it has to be in the right kind of deal. Santana & Aybar, IMO, isn't the right deal. It assumes that you can trade for a replacement 3B AND aquire a power hitter in the offseason. I have doubts as to Hendry's ability to do that. If Hendry's here, the safest course of action would be to keep Aramis and build around our current core, which isn't as bad as our record indicates this season. I think we contend more easily with Ramirez, Lee, Z, Prior and Barrett here to add pieces around.

 

I would be for Santana and Aybar for Ramirez. Remember there is still a chance he could resign with us next year. But you are right, and it looks likely no changes will be made by Hendry. I'll just have to hope JH can build around those men properly. Is a line-up of

 

Pierre

Walker

Derrek Lee

Ramirez

Carlos Lee

Barret

Jones

Cedeno

 

Really that bad? Not at all. I'd like to have a rotation including a top teir SP. But how likely is it for one team to sign 2 top teir players in the off-season? Very unlikely. JH will likely have to trade for one, and sign the other. Most likely Carlos Lee will be in Cubbie blue next year, and we'll have to get a good SP via trade. He will probably try to resign Maddux for $5 mil next year to be #5.

 

Zambrano

#2

Prior

Marshall/Marmol

Maddux