Cubs trade Scott Williamson to the Padres...

[Hatman]

Fabian Jiminez (no Angulo) was the #29 prospect in the Padres' system going into the season. He'll be 20 in about a month, and has a lot of upside. His FB is in the low 90s too and has topped out at 94, but has often been in the 80s because of poor mechanics. His offspeed pitch and changeup are even further behind than Santo's and his control and command are bad right now. He's very young and has a lot of raw skills, though.

 

No biggie. A little towel drill action will fix that.

[oldcubsfan]

My only point to Tiger or anyone else is that you shouldn't call another system garbage when you haven't seen any of their players in person. If they are garbage, why are they 6-2 against us this season, the 2nd best team in the Midwest League????

 

because how one organization's teams (out of six) did against one team over the course of eight measly games tells you absolutely nothing about their system as a whole. sorry, but if reputable scouting/minor league publications say their system, as a whole sucks, that holds more weight than the fact that you've seen their low A team play decent ball over an eight game span against the chiefs.

 

Hey I was just giving an informed opinion on the two guys in the deal THAT I HAD SEEN PITCH IN PERSON. ...I really don't care how they stack up prospect wise or if the Cubs got enough in return for Williamson...im not a Cubs fan. I just work in Peoria which happens to be a Cubs affiliate....I hope they pitch well in a Chiefs uniform the rest of this season and help us win as many games as possible and hopefully a MWL Championship. All I can do is comment on what I see....But hey, feel free to drive to Peoria, or WEst Michigan or wherever we are and watch all their games....or follow us on online broadcasts....

 

Nathan

 

I for one appreciate it. We have people who in the winter thought the Cubs didn't need Tejada because Todd Walker's numbers were almost as good for the money spent.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

No one ever said that. In fact, if you go to that thread you'll find several people distinctly clarifying that to you. Many people did not want Tejada because his price(players, dollars, both) wasn't on par with his production, and people used Walker as a comparison for how Tejada's production wasn't worth that price. No one ever ever ever ever said "we have Walker, we don't need Tejada" or "Walker is just as good as Tejada".

[CubinNY]

No one ever said that. In fact, if you go to that thread you'll find several people distinctly clarifying that to you. Many people did not want Tejada because his price(players, dollars, both) wasn't on par with his production, and people used Walker as a comparison for how Tejada's production wasn't worth that price. No one ever ever ever ever said "we have Walker, we don't need Tejada" or "Walker is just as good as Tejada".

 

I was going to post something similar but I figured why waste my time. TT, everthing you've posted in this thread is dead on accurate. The only quibble I have is that I don't think most people in baseball think Willamson was worth much more than the Cubs got.

 

these two probably won't amount to much, but then again neither did Willamson.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

The only quibble I have is that I don't think most people in baseball think Willamson was worth much more than the Cubs got.

 

these two probably won't amount to much, but then again neither did Willamson.

 

This is my belief on the Williamson matter. It might have been better to hold onto him and package him, but I don't think it would have made a big difference either way.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

BA Writeup on the Trade[/url]"]The price for Williamson seems small at the outset--two live, struggling low Class A arms. Prior to the season, the better prospect was Joel Santo, who has struggled in his second full season at Fort Wayne in 2006. The righthander had rustled feathers in the organization this season after complaining about a move to the bullpen and has left some questioning his work ethic. Santo, 22, has a fastball in the 89-91 range that touches 94, and also throws an inconsistent slider and change. The Dominican righthander was 4-11, 4.75 in the Midwest League in 2005, and in 20 games this season, is 6-6, 5.38.

 

The younger of the two pitchers is Fabian Jimenez, 19, who has improved in his return to Fort Wayne this season. The southpaw struggled mightily in 2005, going 4-11, 7.03 with 59 walks while striking out just 38 batters. This season, Jimenez has made baby steps, with 54 strikeouts and a 4.43 ERA in 87 innings. Jimenez is still battling inconsistency, as his delivery, command and velocity have all ebbed and flowed this season. While he normally throws in the 87-89 range, Jimenez' fastball has touched 92, while also sitting in the mid 80s often in 2005.

 

Oh good, not only has Santo struggled, but he has a questionable work ethic.

[WindyCity]

Oh good, not only has Santo struggled, but he has a questionable work ethic.

 

He'll fit in.

[Andy]

BA Writeup on the Trade[/url]"]The price for Williamson seems small at the outset--two live, struggling low Class A arms. Prior to the season, the better prospect was Joel Santo, who has struggled in his second full season at Fort Wayne in 2006. The righthander had rustled feathers in the organization this season after complaining about a move to the bullpen and has left some questioning his work ethic. Santo, 22, has a fastball in the 89-91 range that touches 94, and also throws an inconsistent slider and change. The Dominican righthander was 4-11, 4.75 in the Midwest League in 2005, and in 20 games this season, is 6-6, 5.38.

 

The younger of the two pitchers is Fabian Jimenez, 19, who has improved in his return to Fort Wayne this season. The southpaw struggled mightily in 2005, going 4-11, 7.03 with 59 walks while striking out just 38 batters. This season, Jimenez has made baby steps, with 54 strikeouts and a 4.43 ERA in 87 innings. Jimenez is still battling inconsistency, as his delivery, command and velocity have all ebbed and flowed this season. While he normally throws in the 87-89 range, Jimenez' fastball has touched 92, while also sitting in the mid 80s often in 2005.

 

Oh good, not only has Santo struggled, but he has a questionable work ethic.

Oh well. Of all the people on the team to trade for nothing, Williamson is just above Neifi, Rusch, etc. on the list.