The Neifi-Meter

[Irrelevant Dude]

As of 7/6, Neifi Perez is on pace for 311 At Bats this season. Stay tuned for daily updates.

[Guest]

He's saving us.

[coldsteel]

please don't let it be *daily* arghhh...

[Iceblink]

As posted in the game thread - name someone who should be playing in front of Perez, at least while Perez is hot and Walker and Cedeno are swinging like good-hitting pitchers.

 

(Assuming my math is right...)

Neifi since June 1: .338/.355/.516

Walker since June 1: .244/.346/.286

Cedeno since June 1: .216/.252/.315

 

I would much prefer to see Theriot and Fontenot getting a shot to stick as utility guys who would free up major money for a while. I'd much rather see Perez on someone else's triple A team.

 

Still, Walker has 4 XBH in over 100 AB since June 1 (all doubles). He hasn't hit lefties all year. Perez has 3 XBH in the last 4 games. Yes, it's absolutely small sample sizes. And yes, Neifi getting the ABs he has is criminal. And yes, I'm a big fan of Walker (huge LSU fan).

 

However, advocating playing Walker over Perez while Walker is in a 6 week slump and Perez has been actually hitting well just doesn't make sense.

[CheeseHead Cubs Fan]

If you had a choice, would you rather see Neifi DFA'd or Baker fired?

[Cubzfan64]

If you had a choice, would you rather see Neifi DFA'd or Baker fired?

 

Very easy choice for me to make - Bye Bye Dusty!

[Monco]

I don't know where we would be without Neifi! Should Hendry sign him to an extention now?

[CubsBullsBears]

If you had a choice, would you rather see Neifi DFA'd or Baker fired?

Niefi DFA'd, b/c he's got a contract thru 2007. Just give him his dough. Dusty we just can him at the end of the year

[cjbucks]

If you had a choice, would you rather see Neifi DFA'd or Baker fired?

 

I would prefer to see Dusty fired for a manager that would stick Neifi in the 25th man seat or better yet tell Hendry he's not going to play him so get rid of him.

 

A boy can dream..................... 8)

[Hacking Out Machine]

As posted in the game thread - name someone who should be playing in front of Perez, at least while Perez is hot and Walker and Cedeno are swinging like good-hitting pitchers.

 

(Assuming my math is right...)

Neifi since June 1: .338/.355/.516

Walker since June 1: .244/.346/.286

Cedeno since June 1: .216/.252/.315

 

I would much prefer to see Theriot and Fontenot getting a shot to stick as utility guys who would free up major money for a while. I'd much rather see Perez on someone else's triple A team.

 

Still, Walker has 4 XBH in over 100 AB since June 1 (all doubles). He hasn't hit lefties all year. Perez has 3 XBH in the last 4 games. Yes, it's absolutely small sample sizes. And yes, Neifi getting the ABs he has is criminal. And yes, I'm a big fan of Walker (huge LSU fan).

 

However, advocating playing Walker over Perez while Walker is in a 6 week slump and Perez has been actually hitting well just doesn't make sense.

 

Especially with a lefty on the mound. Perez shouldn't be let within 100 feet of the field against righties, but against lefties, he should actually be in there.

 

VS LHP

 

Cedeno .177 .210 .208 (with 1 XBH the entire SEASON in 96Abs)

Perez .328 .332 .517

 

I dislike seeing Perez in there as much as the next guy, but playing Cedeno against lefties is like throwing away ABs. The same thing happened last year as well in his limited time, so I don't think it's a sample size coincidence. I'm all for developing guys, but I think Cedeno has proven he struggles against lefties. Play him against righties, it amounts to most of the time anyway. At least we can use Perez in situations where he actually does something positive with the bat if we're destined to be stuck with him.

 

By the way, here's the numbers against righties:

 

Cedeno: .303 .325 .418

 

Perez: .185 .211 .239

 

If you're interested in scoring runs, I think it's easy to see that these guys should be platooned.

[BigbadB]

This argument always gets twisted. Granted, Neifi does make too much money, but he isn't the one who made the offer, Hendry did.

 

That Neifi bats second isn't Neifi's fault, it's Baker's.

 

Do I have this personal vendetta against Neifi? Absolutely not. Do I wish he was off the team altogether? Absolutely not.

 

Should Neifi ever bat before Derrek Lee bats? Absolutely not.

 

If Neifi played everyday, it wouldn't be the end of the world. Good teams have won with a player of Neifi's talents playing everyday.

 

The dislike for Neifi is directed at Dusty more than it is directed at Neifi. That Dusty will use Neifi incorrectly is why there always seems to be this tremendous hatred for Neifi.

 

That Dusty and Neifi have this gentleman's agreement that Neifi will play often and bat at the top of the batting order is where most of the anger generates.

 

That Neifi's OBP is barely better than his AVG is why he should never bat at the top of the order is why Neifi gets the attention that he does. Other than not having a clue how to take a pitch, he's really just a hair below mediocre as a utility infielder. Typically, a utility infielder should never draw this much ire from the fans. If they are, the anger is directed at the wrong persons.

[NCCubFan]

I'd much rather see Perez on someone else's triple A team.

I'd rather see him on another MAJOR league team, hitting against the Cubs. :D

[CubinNY]

As posted in the game thread - name someone who should be playing in front of Perez, at least while Perez is hot and Walker and Cedeno are swinging like good-hitting pitchers.

 

(Assuming my math is right...)

Neifi since June 1: .338/.355/.516

Walker since June 1: .244/.346/.286

Cedeno since June 1: .216/.252/.315

 

I would much prefer to see Theriot and Fontenot getting a shot to stick as utility guys who would free up major money for a while. I'd much rather see Perez on someone else's triple A team.

 

Still, Walker has 4 XBH in over 100 AB since June 1 (all doubles). He hasn't hit lefties all year. Perez has 3 XBH in the last 4 games. Yes, it's absolutely small sample sizes. And yes, Neifi getting the ABs he has is criminal. And yes, I'm a big fan of Walker (huge LSU fan).

 

However, advocating playing Walker over Perez while Walker is in a 6 week slump and Perez has been actually hitting well just doesn't make sense.

Give Neifi enough ABs and Walker's numbers will look like Big Popi's.

[soccer10k]

As posted in the game thread - name someone who should be playing in front of Perez, at least while Perez is hot and Walker and Cedeno are swinging like good-hitting pitchers.

 

(Assuming my math is right...)

Neifi since June 1: .338/.355/.516

Walker since June 1: .244/.346/.286

Cedeno since June 1: .216/.252/.315

 

I would much prefer to see Theriot and Fontenot getting a shot to stick as utility guys who would free up major money for a while. I'd much rather see Perez on someone else's triple A team.

 

Still, Walker has 4 XBH in over 100 AB since June 1 (all doubles). He hasn't hit lefties all year. Perez has 3 XBH in the last 4 games. Yes, it's absolutely small sample sizes. And yes, Neifi getting the ABs he has is criminal. And yes, I'm a big fan of Walker (huge LSU fan).

 

However, advocating playing Walker over Perez while Walker is in a 6 week slump and Perez has been actually hitting well just doesn't make sense.

Give Neifi enough ABs and Walker's numbers will look like Big Popi's.

 

As was stated above, Neifi hits lefties just fine but it's the righties that he can't hit which drops his average. If you only let him hit against lefties, his numbers would look decent rather than horrible.

[Geech]

As was stated above, Neifi hits lefties just fine but it's the righties that he can't hit which drops his average. If you only let him hit against lefties, his numbers would look decent rather than horrible.

 

This year he's hitting lefties reasonably well. Over the course of his career, he hits them like crap, though.

 

Neifi has a .275/.299/.429 line against lefties in his career. Is that better than Todd or Ronny vs lefties? Perhaps, but I really don't think it's enough to justify the roster space he takes up, and certainly not at the price he's being paid.

 

For comparison, Todd vs lefties in his career: .259/.311/.370

[soccer10k]

As was stated above, Neifi hits lefties just fine but it's the righties that he can't hit which drops his average. If you only let him hit against lefties, his numbers would look decent rather than horrible.

 

This year he's hitting lefties reasonably well. Over the course of his career, he hits them like crap, though.

 

Neifi has a .275/.299/.429 line against lefties in his career. Is that better than Todd or Ronny vs lefties? Perhaps, but I really don't think it's enough to justify the roster space he takes up, and certainly not at the price he's being paid.

 

For comparison, Todd vs lefties in his career: .259/.311/.370

 

Against lefties for Ronny:

 

2006: .177/.210/.208 in 96 AB's

2005: .256/.275/.333 in 39 AB's

 

That would give him an estimated line of .200/.235/.250 for his career against lefties. Neifi's career numbers against lefties look much better than that don't they?

[Geech]

Against lefties for Ronny:

 

2006: .177/.210/.208 in 96 AB's

2005: .256/.275/.333 in 39 AB's

 

That would give him an estimated line of .200/.235/.250 for his career against lefties. Neifi's career numbers against lefties look much better than that don't they?

 

Neifi is not a good hitter vs lefties. Hell, he's not even a decent hitter against lefties. If Ronny needs a platoon partner, the team would be a lot better off if Hendry went out and found a real one.

[goonys evil twin]

I dislike seeing Perez in there as much as the next guy, but playing Cedeno against lefties is like throwing away ABs.

 

The season is over. Anybody with any sense would be playing the guys who have a chance to help this team in the future, both to get a better idea of how they handle major league competition and to allow them to work through the struggles.

[MustangMike]

As posted in the game thread - name someone who should be playing in front of Perez, at least while Perez is hot and Walker and Cedeno are swinging like good-hitting pitchers.

 

(Assuming my math is right...)

Neifi since June 1: .338/.355/.516

Walker since June 1: .244/.346/.286

Cedeno since June 1: .216/.252/.315

 

I would much prefer to see Theriot and Fontenot getting a shot to stick as utility guys who would free up major money for a while. I'd much rather see Perez on someone else's triple A team.

 

Still, Walker has 4 XBH in over 100 AB since June 1 (all doubles). He hasn't hit lefties all year. Perez has 3 XBH in the last 4 games. Yes, it's absolutely small sample sizes. And yes, Neifi getting the ABs he has is criminal. And yes, I'm a big fan of Walker (huge LSU fan).

 

However, advocating playing Walker over Perez while Walker is in a 6 week slump and Perez has been actually hitting well just doesn't make sense.

 

Especially with a lefty on the mound. Perez shouldn't be let within 100 feet of the field against righties, but against lefties, he should actually be in there.

 

VS LHP

 

Cedeno .177 .210 .208 (with 1 XBH the entire SEASON in 96Abs)

Perez .328 .332 .517

 

I dislike seeing Perez in there as much as the next guy, but playing Cedeno against lefties is like throwing away ABs. The same thing happened last year as well in his limited time, so I don't think it's a sample size coincidence. I'm all for developing guys, but I think Cedeno has proven he struggles against lefties. Play him against righties, it amounts to most of the time anyway. At least we can use Perez in situations where he actually does something positive with the bat if we're destined to be stuck with him.

 

By the way, here's the numbers against righties:

 

Cedeno: .303 .325 .418

 

Perez: .185 .211 .239

 

If you're interested in scoring runs, I think it's easy to see that these guys should be platooned.

 

In a lost season I'd rather have cedeno bat everyday...give him some experience. How is he giong to learn to hit lefties sitting on the bench??

[Hacking Out Machine]

I dislike seeing Perez in there as much as the next guy, but playing Cedeno against lefties is like throwing away ABs.

 

The season is over. Anybody with any sense would be playing the guys who have a chance to help this team in the future, both to get a better idea of how they handle major league competition and to allow them to work through the struggles.

 

No kidding, the season is over. Any moron(or anyone with any sense) can recognize that. I would also agree that Cedeno could be a good player in the future, but every indication is that he cannot hit lefties. I made the point because Baker obviously is still trying to win games this year, so there is justification for playing Perez if you're goal is winning today's game. Since there is no hope for this year, who cares if he's in there against lefties now, I agree. Maybe he'll become Vlad Guerrero against lefties with another 100 at bats of experience, who knows? However, if Perez and Cedeno are both on this team on opening day next year, all things remaining equal(i.e. their splits remain as they are now), these two should be platooned.

[BigbadB]

However, if Perez and Cedeno are both on this team on opening day next year, all things remaining equal(i.e. their splits remain as they are now), these two should be platooned.

 

Umm. No.

 

A good SS should be brought in if Cedeno isn't any better than what he has shown so far. :wink:

[goonys evil twin]

No kidding, the season is over. Any moron(or anyone with any sense) can recognize that. I would also agree that Cedeno could be a good player in the future, but every indication is that he cannot hit lefties. I made the point because Baker obviously is still trying to win games this year, so there is justification for playing Perez if you're goal is winning today's game. Since there is no hope for this year, who cares if he's in there against lefties now, I agree. Maybe he'll become Vlad Guerrero against lefties with another 100 at bats of experience, who knows? However, if Perez and Cedeno are both on this team on opening day next year, all things remaining equal(i.e. their splits remain as they are now), these two should be platooned.

 

Then you have to give Ronny the chance to change those splits. But even still, Neifi's career indicates there's absolutely no justification to keep him in a platoon, against any pitching. He sucks vs them all, and should get nothing close to regular playing duty. A short period of success vs LHP doesn't justify putting him into a platoon. A career of ineptitude should overrule any such notion. Ronny has to play vs everybody, starting right now.

 

You can't say he isn't allowed to face lefties now, and then say he can't face lefties next year because he didn't hit them before. You have to give him a chance to work through it. Otherwise it's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

[Hacking Out Machine]

However, if Perez and Cedeno are both on this team on opening day next year, all things remaining equal(i.e. their splits remain as they are now), these two should be platooned.

 

Umm. No.

 

A good SS should be brought in if Cedeno isn't any better than what he has shown so far. :wink:

 

Oh, there's no doubt we'd like to see a good SS in here. I'm just saying that if we start next season with Perez and Cedeno as our two alternatives at short(a very strong possibility based on very unfortunate circumstances) then you should platoon them. Let me go on record as hoping that Perez is NOT here, but I don't think that's going to happen.

[goonys evil twin]

However, if Perez and Cedeno are both on this team on opening day next year, all things remaining equal(i.e. their splits remain as they are now), these two should be platooned.

 

Umm. No.

 

A good SS should be brought in if Cedeno isn't any better than what he has shown so far. :wink:

 

Oh, there's no doubt we'd like to see a good SS in here. I'm just saying that if we start next season with Perez and Cedeno as our two alternatives at short(a very strong possibility based on very unfortunate circumstances) then you should platoon them. Let me go on record as hoping that Perez is NOT here, but I don't think that's going to happen.

 

No you shouldn't. Perez is a guaranteed failure from either side. Cedeno at least stands a chance of improving.

 

What you should do is give him every opportunity this year to get over struggles. Then, decide next offseason whether to get a new SS who can start full time or field a good enough lineup around Cedeno that you can withstand struggles against LHP.

 

There is no justification to even consider Neifi for any sort of regular duty, platoon or not. There just isn't. It's a defeatist proposition that will only guarantee failure.

[Hacking Out Machine]

No kidding, the season is over. Any moron(or anyone with any sense) can recognize that. I would also agree that Cedeno could be a good player in the future, but every indication is that he cannot hit lefties. I made the point because Baker obviously is still trying to win games this year, so there is justification for playing Perez if you're goal is winning today's game. Since there is no hope for this year, who cares if he's in there against lefties now, I agree. Maybe he'll become Vlad Guerrero against lefties with another 100 at bats of experience, who knows? However, if Perez and Cedeno are both on this team on opening day next year, all things remaining equal(i.e. their splits remain as they are now), these two should be platooned.

 

Then you have to give Ronny the chance to change those splits. But even still, Neifi's career indicates there's absolutely no justification to keep him in a platoon, against any pitching. He sucks vs them all, and should get nothing close to regular playing duty. A short period of success vs LHP doesn't justify putting him into a platoon. A career of ineptitude should overrule any such notion. Ronny has to play vs everybody, starting right now.

 

You can't say he isn't allowed to face lefties now, and then say he can't face lefties next year because he didn't hit them before. You have to give him a chance to work through it. Otherwise it's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

 

I really hope I haven't given the impression that I like Neifi Perez or advocate any regular playing time for him. On the contrary, I spend most of my efforts in any baseball discussions with friends making sure they understand that he is one of the worst hitters in MLB history when he's batting left handed.

 

Seriously though, as a platoon shortstop who faces only lefties maybe once a week, you could certainly do worse. Since he's been here his line against lefties is .267 .304 .491. That's almost 2 full seaons of sample size. An above average feilding shortstop who slugs .491 is certainly not a bad thing.

 

Again, the mere potential of him playing against righties negates the worthwhileness of having him on your team at all, but since we are stuck with him through probably next year, he might as well play (NEXT YEAR IF CEDENO CONTINUES TO NOT HIT LEFTIES) when he can help the team.